On a whole other note..

[songsmith]

This place is mild compared to a lot of boards on the net. As for some people's behavior.. you get a bunch of guys together and eventually there's going to be a pissing match over who's got the bigger dick.

Exactly. I used to think I was above it, but if you're a guy, you're gonna get led around by your biological need to react to anything perceived as aggression. I get pulled in all the time, it's knee-jerk. I occasionally like to start some, too, but I try to keep it relevant. Sometimes I fail, but hey, I'm a dude.
You can put Hawk, Lonewolf, undercoverjoe, and myself in a room, and we'd be just fine. We're all grown-ups, and we know the difference between the internet and real life. We have things we agree on, like music. We may not have the exact same tastes, but all of us "get it." All seem to be very knowledgeable about music, and I guarantee you, we all have excellent taste in music. Anyone would do well to listen to what the "old guys" listen to because for most of our lives, you didn't just log onto the internet and listen to any song in the world. We had to work for it, we had to invest in it. Anyway, we're humans, and we talk about other things than music. I won't apologize for it, and would encourage others not to, either. I love music threads, but man does not live by bread alone.
Ask me for advice, and you'll get plenty, not because I'm an expert, but because I want you to have as much fun as I did, but not make the mistakes I did. If I ask you for advice, it's because I trust your experience, and I ask a lot. Rockpage Regulars tend to know something about what they do, use that knowledge or don't, it's up to each of you.
If there's one thing I've found, it's that if I don't click on a thread, it's usually off the front page in a day or two. That's how I edit what I see here. Rockpage Regulars are those with time and desire to be here. We know one another. I have Rockpage set as my homepage, because it's my peer group. You can be a part of that group, but nobody's forcing anything. It's the internet, for Pete's sake. --->JMS

[RobTheDrummer]

I just have fun going off the deep end sometimes. But here's what is cool about all of this: I would do a show with any band on here, and anyone on here. At the end of the day, we're all here to bullshit about everything and anything. I think less forum rules can lead to better discussion and more fun. Some forums are so heavily monitored, that you can't speak your mind. And there really aren't too many trolls, we let our population sort them out.

[JakeWilliams]

...I think less forum rules can lead to better discussion and more fun. Some forums are so heavily monitored, that you can't speak your mind. And there really aren't too many trolls, we let our population sort them out.

There is a difference between "better discusions" or even "heated discussions" and the out right slander, ridicule and unwarranted personal attacks some people draw.

While I don't think there should be any actual "rules" on what can be posted on any forum, I do think the moderators should take a stance and throw people off who's only purpose seems to be to ruin other people's threads with personal attacks.

And by all means, if you can find anything I've ever posted that fits in that category, boot me first.

[YankeeRose]

As Phil and others have said and I agree, it boils down to: R E S P E C T.     Except I believe it should exist whether or not one is a Musician, or what the topic is about.   The old if you have nothing nice to say, say nothing, and treat others as you wish to be treated applies. Of course, there are exceptions to every rule, but I would bet most of you catch my drift.   I used to enjoy visiting RockPage for laughs, sharing my views, hearing others' views, or even to learn things, imagine THAT! For some time now, it seems no matter the topic, information, viewpoints, friendly discourse, banter and humor are quickly replaced by totally asinine, degrading and caustic comments, if not thinly veiled hatred. So, other than once or twice a week, in hopes the atmosphere will Lighten up, I've simply stopped. It is SO not the same on here, and sorry, but I for one do not find constant negative BS welcoming or comical!   I enjoy sarcasm more than average, use it frequently and can tell the difference. I was enjoying reading a great Music related thread and sure enough, it was ruined by the usual suspects who invariably have nada POSITIVE to contribute, and others stopped posting. Thanks. That is what prompted this reply. I would rather Archie, Cliff, Tootie, etc. come back. (Imo they were funny, and find it difficult to believe would cause any Bands or fans who are not yet members to turn away from RockPage.) As far as political stuff, so much for it going away after the election.  Thankfully, it is easy to bypass. In my estimation, there is a vast difference between friends busting on each other, laughing about it on here and in person, and someone getting their jollies by attacking a person they have never met. I greatly dislike bullies, child or adult. That is my .02¢.

[witchhunt]

While I don't think there should be any actual "rules" on what can be posted on any forum, I do think the moderators should take a stance and throw people off who's only purpose seems to be to ruin other people's threads with personal attacks.

Actually, the moderators have ejected a few people in the past. Real bad apples, too.

[songsmith]

Yep, and nobody here is anywhere near as bad as some of those were. The Reason is still my favorite... young teenager who for some reason thought he had all the answers. His buddies used to PM me vague death threats. If I recall, he played one set at a talent show or something, and that was the end of his career.
Oh, and Aja, who posted a rockstar available ad, then hit the ceiling when nobody bit. She actually went to Berklee, and posted that in every post. She thought we were all chauvinist pigs because we're mostly male, and we were holding her (and women in general) down. She apparently broke a tail-rotor, because she spiraled to the ground, too. Nobody ever got much sh*t for being a woman on this forum. I think many of the top women in regional music frequent this forum.
And what was that woman's nick... she's still here sometimes under another name, but she behaves herself pretty well now. She used to post hairband lyrics. She could pull you into it, man, yank your chain, and it was so lowbrow and sophomoric, and you just wade right in. She had a problem with EVERYTHING.
No, it's not bad around here at all. You just have to remember it's the freaking internet.--->JMS

[whitedevilone]

Wow so many sensitive souls on here. I guess.I'll admit i don't do alot of net roaming and i wasn't around for "the good old days of RP" but i rarely see anybody trashing someone's music, if ever.I think we're all pretty good at bein positive about the music.Sure there are a few of us knuckleheads who still like to butt heads about silly stuff that noone else cares about but us.Like Paul said earlier he knows what to expect and who to expect it from.Myself and the other 6 politcal hotheads are fine with that i'm sure.Like John said it's the fricken internet.If your feelings get hurt that easy watch America's next top model and avoid the meanies on rockpage.I'm sure there are dudes on here that almost never agree with me and i'm the same way towards them.I also know that we're all man(or women)enough to know it's all opinion.I expect the next time i see Songsmith at a show i'll say you know i think you're nuts on this subject and he'll say well you're a total douchbag about this,that,and those and we'll laugh a little uneasy laugh and have a beer together...and talk shit about somebody's music.........i kid i kid it's all good.
Peace, Scott.

[slackin@dabass]

i think it's been said. it's the internet. get over it. people get made fun of. ever go to a movie forum? kevin smith gets shit for everything. does he cry about it like a little pansy? no he takes it like a man. like i do. make fun of me, i don't give a shit. chances are, i'll laugh about it, retort, and look at that NO HARM TO ANYONE!



jake w., i'm sorry dude, but you bring shit onto yourself sometimes. if someone posts a retort that i don't like, i don't post another thread about how wrong they are or whatever. that's why your kinda the "kid to pick on" here on the playground.


i censor myself for no one. i have a right to say think and feel what i want, so i'm gonna use it!


... as long as ron dosn't think it's too far overboard

[cucuplex96]

Yes it is the Internet.. and still my point is missed.. I'm not talking about feelings getting hurt.. I'm talking about professionalism and class.
People say the dumbest things on here yes and that's fine..

I did not enjoy seeing J.W. getting attacked.. and I miss woofburger.. he wasn't hurting anyone..

My point is this.. and this is just one tiny sub-division of my point.. my point has many parts...

Lets say there is a singer available.. in the musicians wanted add... and someone else says something like ""yeah this guy is really good... but I still think he needs to take the wrinkles out of his nuts and fade his butt hairs""..

If I was a professional looking for a band to play a gig at my club of theater.. or whatever.. I would never contact the guy that was just talking about balls and ass hair... and there is all kinds of other scenarios that it could be... ya know

the reason not necessarily being what he just said.. reason being, that because I don't know the person personally.. never seen or heard them play.. I would automatically think that their band was just a band full of a bunch of punk kids.. that aren't very professional... there is nothing worse than a 25 year old adult acting like their a child.. i cant tell you that i am guilty of that.. for sure... but I don't do it in public.. unless I am completely drunk.. but then i have an excuse. haha

I mean its ok to be a retard sometimes and say whatever you want.. within reason hear on rockpage.., that's not what i am saying... I just think maybe some people would take this area a little bit more seriously and people and bands would get a little more respect around here.. and we could use Rockpage as a tool for that and make that happen.. Maybe we could start to turn things around in this area...

cause let me tell ya.. there is a lot of great talent around here and a lot of it goes unnoticed.. not saying because of people being a certain way.. I'm just saying in general... I think if we all band together we can make some really cool stuff happen around here.. it has already started.. with the concerts at the railroaders museum, and locals opening.. that's great!!!
But I'm not gonna call butt hair guy and ask his band to open up for Reo speedwagon.. or styx or whoever...

www.myspace.com/chrisvipond

[witchhunt]

i censor myself for no one. i have a right to say think and feel what i want, so i'm gonna use it!

Damned right.

[XlifeNexus]

Nobody's asking anyone to censor themselves. It's about couth and tact. Use your own judgement. If you want to come across as all "hard n' shit" on the internet then it's your prerogative, and hopefully it doesn't hurt your show attendance and public image. I, for one, would think twice about going and seeing a band that misrepresents themselves on here. It IS the internet, BUT this site caters specifically to the local scene and we need to take care of our own. Disagree with each other all you want, be a jerk, stalk people, whatever you want, but realize that MANY people lurk in the shadows here and we learn a LOT about a person's character based on what is posted here publicly. THAT's why I think that there should be some kind of "members only" section that would allow for non-public displays of affection such as trolling, stalking, and the general belittlement of others. Do you want potential fans, club owners, and other bands seeing how you REALLY are?

[JakeWilliams]

FYI - I don't care if you saw me sing somewhere and post a reply to one of my "Singer/Frontman available" ads saying, "I thinks JW is OK, but needs work on XXX and YYY". I really don't even care if you post, "He's the worst singer ever, and I'd never want him in my band". It's your opinion, and if it's RELEVANT to the topic, post it.

What I'm bitching about are the following problems on Rockpage.

1. People who's posts are obviously slander, personal attacks and outright lies about someone they have never met, never heard and have no business replying to.

2. People who use personal attacks to hijack a thread and turn it into a pissing contest where the topic no longer is relevant.

3. People who very rarely ever post anything of value on any thread - and constantly attack others, or one specific member.

4. Psychos who can't separate their Rockpage persona and the real world, and start stalking other members, then say how manly they are for trying to confront other RP members in the real world.


I find absolutely no value in any of these things, and I hope the moderators would agree and start throwing more people off who have no value to add to this site.

[bassist_25]

Yep, and nobody here is anywhere near as bad as some of those were. The Reason is still my favorite... young teenager who for some reason thought he had all the answers. His buddies used to PM me vague death threats. If I recall, he played one set at a talent show or something, and that was the end of his career.
Oh, and Aja, who posted a rockstar available ad, then hit the ceiling when nobody bit. She actually went to Berklee, and posted that in every post. She thought we were all chauvinist pigs because we're mostly male, and we were holding her (and women in general) down. She apparently broke a tail-rotor, because she spiraled to the ground, too. Nobody ever got much sh*t for being a woman on this forum. I think many of the top women in regional music frequent this forum.
And what was that woman's nick... she's still here sometimes under another name, but she behaves herself pretty well now. She used to post hairband lyrics. She could pull you into it, man, yank your chain, and it was so lowbrow and sophomoric, and you just wade right in. She had a problem with EVERYTHING.

That last poster you're talking about, Johnny, is no surrender. She use to whine about how all the local bands weren't putting on arena-level rock shows with lasers and stuff.

You're forgetting one of the best RP trolls ever: Metalrules. Metalrules was this guy who graduated Berklee with a songwriting degree or something (can you get a degree in songwriting? Are there people with doctorates in songwriting?). He use to make lenghty critques of hit songs. The dude was totally cerebral and didn't have one artistic bone in his body. Someone would write a great song that'd totally move you, and he would be too concerned with a "time frame" problem between the second and third verses. He also had his own private songwriting forum where he'd feed his massive ego by offering critiques to really bad amatuer songwriters who have probably never picked up instruments in their lives. My favorite Metalrules scenario was when someone (I think Redawg) posted the lyrics to Tool's Lateralus, which if you've ever heard the tune, was purposely written around the fibonacci sequence. That's pretty cool! Metalrules was too hung up on how "conformist" the lyrical meter sounded and it contradicted the nonconformist meaning of the song.

As far as I know, Metalrules never became the next John Hiatt or Joni Mitchell with his superior songwriting knowledge. In fact, dude's probably bagging groceries at a Riverside Market somewhere.

[witchhunt]

hopefully it doesn't hurt your public image.

That's funny, right there.

[witchhunt]

people who have no value to add to this site.

Who's to decide something like this? Even if the moderators find no value in a member, maybe someone else does.

[JakeWilliams]

people who have no value to add to this site.

Who's to decide something like this? Even if the moderators find no value in a member, maybe someone else does.

Yes, moderators. But I agree it would be hard to judge.

But personal attacks that have nothing to do with a post can easily be tracked and the moderators can use a 3 strikes and your kicked off philosophy.

Sure, the offender will just sign up under a different name, but at least it would show that this site does not tolerate ignorance and hatred.

[KyleMayket]

FYI - I don't care if you saw me sing somewhere and post a reply to one of my "Singer/Frontman available" ads saying, "I thinks JW is OK, but needs work on XXX and YYY". I really don't even care if you post, "He's the worst singer ever, and I'd never want him in my band". It's your opinion, and if it's RELEVANT to the topic, post it.

What I'm bitching about are the following problems on Rockpage.

1. People who's posts are obviously slander, personal attacks and outright lies about someone they have never met, never heard and have no business replying to.

2. People who use personal attacks to hijack a thread and turn it into a pissing contest where the topic no longer is relevant.

3. People who very rarely ever post anything of value on any thread - and constantly attack others, or one specific member.

4. Psychos who can't separate their Rockpage persona and the real world, and start stalking other members, then say how manly they are for trying to confront other RP members in the real world.


I find absolutely no value in any of these things, and I hope the moderators would agree and start throwing more people off who have no value to add to this site.

boo hoo, get over yourself. You act like you're the only one who gets it. It's the internet, everyone gets shit around the inter-tubes. You keep trying to make this point, and noboby still cares...

[Jim Price]

Because I listen to it nearly every day, I can draw comparisons between national syndicated radio sports talk show The Jim Rome Show and Rockpage. If you listen to this show with any regularity, you know that sometimes "The Jungle" (the collective term referring to Rome, his crew and the listeners and callers) is the most important thing happening in "The Jungle" on a given day. Likewise, sometimes Rockpage is the most important thing happening on Rockpage, and the soap operas and petty bickering take center stage over actual music topics of the day.

On the Rome show, the callers, e-mailers and texters (referred to by Romie as "The Clones") are constantly running smack on one another, just like here on Rockpage. In most cases, if these "clones" would meet each other in a public place, they'd probably get along fine. Probably "Iafrate" and "Terrance in Sierra Madre" would get along in public, but they always snipe at each other with their phone smack on the show. In most cases it's the same here. Rockpagers argue about politics, sports and music topics here on the forums, but are generally cordial towards one another face to face.

In "The Jungle," if people get too far out of hand, they either "get run" (their call gets cut off and buzzed off the air), their text gets blocked, or in real serious cases, they get banned from the show. (Probably the most famous case of this was "Willie in K.C.," who frequently called in with funny song parodies until he left an ethnic slur loose in one of them and got banned.) Likewise, if people get too nasty or out of control here on Rockpage, they get reprimanded or banned.

And then there's "Tobin in Chapel Hill." "Tobin" is a running joke on the Rome show; his sports calls weren't usually very good, but he kept calling in, sometimes whining and playing the "victim" card on the show after other 'clones' ragged on him. Now even Jim Rome has fun with him, cutting off his calls for commercial breaks that never happen, unimportant "breaking" sports stories and more. I'd hate to see any members here become the "Tobin" of Rockpage, but one person is getting perilously close...

[cucuplex96]

funny, right there.

I don't find any humor in that

[cucuplex96]

Nobody's asking anyone to censor themselves. It's about couth and tact. Use your own judgement. If you want to come across as all "hard n' shit" on the internet then it's your prerogative, and hopefully it doesn't hurt your show attendance and public image. I, for one, would think twice about going and seeing a band that misrepresents themselves on here. It IS the internet, BUT this site caters specifically to the local scene and we need to take care of our own. Disagree with each other all you want, be a jerk, stalk people, whatever you want, but realize that MANY people lurk in the shadows here and we learn a LOT about a person's character based on what is posted here publicly. THAT's why I think that there should be some kind of "members only" section that would allow for non-public displays of affection such as trolling, stalking, and the general belittlement of others. Do you want potential fans, club owners, and other bands seeing how you REALLY are?

wow dude/woman.. I don't know who you are.. but well said... I think you actually get it

www.myspace.com/chrisvipond

[slackin@dabass]

i don't really care anymore. i have no further interest in this thread.


just wanna say, before i go go, that you have no idea how much i use my backspace key. i could be a total ass, and am on other forums. it's been said before. rockpage is mild. if you don't like the "rated r" mentality this board has... well... what's that saying about standing the heat and the kitchen and whatnot?

[cucuplex96]

We're not talking about ratings and mentalities here... just less
douchebaggery.. that is what this thread is really about isn't it.
You can dance around it if you want to. If you want to leave this thread...Congratulations on that.. your out of the thread.. c-ya later

[Blue Reality]

if the most important thing about Rockpage is Rockpage itself, then let's just admit that this is becoming a waste of time for people that want to find musicians here.

Everyone wants freedom of speech. GOOD 'cause no one I taking that away from anyone. But let's be a bit grown up about this. If you want to claim the right to say what ever you want, claim the reality that good musicians are staying away from Rockpage becuase of the stupidity that goes on here. Are other sites worse than Rockpage? So what.... If good players don't want to come here because it's a waste of time for anything other than a musicians opionion forum, do you care? As the long term members here have said, Rockpage ain't what it used to be.

[DirtySanchez]

Phil- That's cool about the Opposition. If I ever left a band I'd do the same thing. Why would you not want the music to go on? Some people do though.
I've heard of local musicians arguing copyrights over shit when the split up or a member leaves. That's crazy. I consider writing a song as creation. Why destroy something you worked so hard to create. It's like asking your spouse for a divorce and then killing your kid so you don't have to fight for custody.

Sorry if I'm hijacking this thread

[Plastered Bastards]

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