Asinine Thread

bsaller · Post by **bsaller** » Monday Jan 23, 2006

A "cover band" that can draw a good crowd must be able to do the "covers" well enough to have people recognize the song. Hence they have to have enough talent to sound like a dozen different bands. Any moron can compile a bunch of mp3's or cd's and push the play button. With all the music on Cd already being mastered in the studio a DJ doesn't have to worry about room acoustic, instruments balanced, eq, etc. It's just plug'n'play.

Consider this: U2 started as a cover band and couldn't make the grade. They then decided to do originals.

Comparing DJ's to "cover bands" is like comparing apples to oranges.

So you want to be a rock'n'roll star,
just buy a guitar and learn how to play,
Thaen in a week or two, if you make the charts
there gonna tear you apart....Roger Mcguinn

bassist_25 · Post by **bassist_25** » Monday Jan 23, 2006

My literature class got cancelled, so here I am in the computer lab before making the journey back home. *LOL*

Anyways, here's my two Abraham Lincolns. I don't think that anybody should be ostracized at Rockpage because of what they do. I think that DJs should be able to throw up a post here without automatically getting flamed. I don't know about you guys, but I want to turn people on, not turn them off. Now, the problem is when someone tries to compare being a DJ to being a musician. The two things are only alike insofar as they are both part of the entertainment business. Setting up a PA and pushing "play" should never be compared to spending a lifetime (and yes, being an accomplished musician is a life-long pursuit) developing a craft and talent. I would never go out to a club with the intention of seeing a DJ. DJs have their market and there are times when hiring one would be more logical than hiring a band. Saying they're the same thing as a band is ludacris, though.

Covers vs. Originals: Not this debate again! I go and see both cover and original bands on my nights off. The only thing I care about is quality. I'd rather watch a group of accomplished musicians play cover material than have to sit through a bunch of hacks trying to pull off "original" material with no song craft or musicianship. Often times, the musicians who perform quality original material have cut their teeth on cover material. Playing other people's music then forced them develop their chops, which then shines through when they write their own stuff. The afermentioned U2 is an exception to this rule. But when I see a band that does have their poo together and can write a hook and play more than power chords, it's a great thing. Most of my favorite local bands are either all original, or have a large repitioire of original material.

HIMfag666 · Post by **HIMfag666** » Monday Jan 23, 2006

first of all yankee rose, dj's wont totally put bands out of the business like you prophecise, only cover bands. so where exactly can i stick it? lmao.

"Comparing DJ's to "cover bands" is like comparing apples to oranges. "
ah yes apples and oranges....both fruit...they just taste different (which is kinda similar to what i was getting at). how about steak and tofu might be a better analogy.

lol, now i'm just having fun.

songsmith · Post by **songsmith** » Monday Jan 23, 2006

Once again, HIM, it's a sad fact (and I'm sure you've discovered this) that the local folks will go see a cover band long before going to see an all-original act. You can argue that YOU and some people you know dig originals, but you are a musician, and therefore are set apart form the average fan who just wants to shake ass or drink booze. It's simply the way things are, and I don't see it changing.
I don't know of many bands that DON'T play at least and original or two. You have to kinda sneak them in, and play them over and over until folks get used to them, but they're there. The truth is, while most people can write a song, few can write a song that people will actually dig. That, to me, is where the talent is, and the best way to get there is to learn a giant pile of songs, and analyze what makes people like them. You know, covers. Playing covers also has another benefit: it's really fun. if everybody in the group knows the song, you just count it off and grin.

Dj's have a place. Weddings are perfect DJ gigs, and I wouldn't take that away from them. Karaoke has NO place, other than little girls singing through their Mr. Microphone for the grandparents' enjoyment after Thanksgiving Dinner. It's not talent, it's not funny, it's laziness and cheating and the most annoying thing I can think of.------>JMS

YankeeRose · Post by **YankeeRose** » Monday Jan 23, 2006

HIMfag666 wrote:first of all yankee rose, dj's wont totally put bands out of the business like you prophecise, only cover bands. so where exactly can i stick it?

That's where you're wrong, djs taking over gigs at Bars/Clubs that used to hire Bands are the ones literally putting Bands out of business. I can't help but wonder if djs were the ones calling and making the complaints to the PLCB about certain establishments that since went all dj? "Where the Sun don't shine."

AtoMikEnRtiA · Post by **AtoMikEnRtiA** » Monday Jan 23, 2006

songsmith wrote:Karaoke has NO place, other than little girls singing through their Mr. Microphone for the grandparents' enjoyment after Thanksgiving Dinner. ------->JMS

...We interrupt this thread for this announcement..

HA!

.. continue..

HIMfag666 · Post by **HIMfag666** » Monday Jan 23, 2006

i completely agree on the karaoke thing, but what about a dj playing in a bar that is too small for a band? say...Andy's maybe. then they wouldnt be "taking money out of our pockets" per say, maybe if they went and took over city limits on friday nights i could see that argument, but not places like andy's where 50-60 people is packed shoulder to shoulder. And i agree w/ Bassist when he says that he doesnt think that anyone should be ostracized here on rockpage, everyone here has one thing in common, they play music in one way or another. whether its push and play or picking up a guitar, people are still going out and enjoying music. its just that some people enjoy a good debate (such as i) or like controversy and would just like to see the reaction they get from people. and see, right now i am here arguing the dj/coverband subject, which is a waste of time becoz we all have our opinions and wont budge on them (and i just like to debate shit), and i was told there were no grudges and we're all friends here and this is a community arguments happen. but my arguments seem to be taken lightly since i am a musician not a dj and it does seem like there is a grudge being held against some dj's here (like i was told there were no grudges). WHY CANT WE ALL JUST GET ALONG?

lol

HIMfag666 · Post by **HIMfag666** » Monday Jan 23, 2006

where is this place you speak of "where the sun dont shine"? lol could some one please come point this out to me?

AtoMikEnRtiA · Post by **AtoMikEnRtiA** » Monday Jan 23, 2006

HIMfag666 wrote:where is this place you speak of "where the sun dont shine"? lol could some one please come point this out to me?

it means "up the ass"

HIMfag666 · Post by **HIMfag666** » Monday Jan 23, 2006

i'm not quite sure i know where that is?

AtoMikEnRtiA · Post by **AtoMikEnRtiA** » Monday Jan 23, 2006

HIMfag666 wrote:i'm not quite sure i know where that is?

*sigh* cant believe im about to say this..

it's a figure of speech..

HIMfag666 · Post by **HIMfag666** » Monday Jan 23, 2006

how exactly does one figure speech? (of course you know i'm just screwing with you, i know where my ass is, i poop out of it!)

AtoMikEnRtiA · Post by **AtoMikEnRtiA** » Monday Jan 23, 2006

HIMfag666 wrote:how exactly does one figure speech? (of course you know i'm just screwing with you, i know where my ass is, i poop out of it!)

wow.. i come onto rockpage for some fun and comedy, and i end up being the babysitter.. jesus how did this happen? lol

songsmith · Post by **songsmith** » Monday Jan 23, 2006

He's just joshing, Atomik. HIM, the small clubs are where you go to see acoustic guys. I LOVED playing for 50-60 people shoulder to shoulder. Plus, I don't know Gazoo... at least we know who he is, more than I can say for some. I can't dis him if I don't know him... I just explained my version of the truth... there's not much love here for a DJ. I have friends who DJ, who compete with Gazoo, and I bet he doesn't care for them.---------->JMS

HIMfag666 · Post by **HIMfag666** » Monday Jan 23, 2006

oh babysitter, i need my diaper changed....i think it might have somethin to do w/ my ass.....

AtoMikEnRtiA · Post by **AtoMikEnRtiA** » Monday Jan 23, 2006

songsmith wrote:He's just joshing, Atomik. HIM, the small clubs are where you go to see acoustic guys. I LOVED playing for 50-60 people shoulder to shoulder. Plus, I don't know Gazoo... at least we know who he is, more than I can say for some. I can't dis him if I don't know him... I just explained my version of the truth... there's not much love here for a DJ. I have friends who DJ, who compete with Gazoo, and I bet he doesn't care for them.---------->JMS

haha i kno, and so am i haha

HIMfag666 · Post by **HIMfag666** » Monday Jan 23, 2006

songsmith wrote:He's just joshing, Atomik. HIM, the small clubs are where you go to see acoustic guys. I LOVED playing for 50-60 people shoulder to shoulder. Plus, I don't know Gazoo... at least we know who he is, more than I can say for some. I can't dis him if I don't know him... I just explained my version of the truth... there's not much love here for a DJ. I have friends who DJ, who compete with Gazoo, and I bet he doesn't care for them.---------->JMS

i dont know who he likes and doesnt, i know he likes some dj's around here...just like some bands like eachother....it doesnt always have to be about hate brotha, where'z da luv?

HIMfag666 · Post by **HIMfag666** » Monday Jan 23, 2006

is it necessarily a bad thing if your babysitter touches you where you pee?

Banned · Post by **Banned** » Monday Jan 23, 2006

HIMfag666 wrote:well that wasnt my intent, i just wanted to voice an opinion about music which as a musician i think i should have the right to do, i wasnt saying cover bands suck or anything. you guys are obviously good at what you do or else this wouldnt be a scene dominated by cover bands, i was just wandering why you guys dont put your talent to good use?

Yo dippy, the greatest classical musicians that play in orchestras happen to play covers. Do they truely have no talent because they are not doing originals? Bach and Beethooven weren't too bad, and I guess some paying audiences want to hear thier music.

But according to your illogic thinking, they are the same as lowlife DJ's.

And this area is not dominated by cover bands. You must not get out much. Felix and the Hurricanes have 2 complete cd's with original music and could practically play a whole nite with just blues and rock jamming, and what could be more original than spontaneous jamming?

With over 240 shows last year, I think anyone could augue that the Hurricanes are a very dominant and popular local band.

HIMfag666 · Post by **HIMfag666** » Monday Jan 23, 2006

yo dippy, (what the hell is a dippy) well i wasnt the one that originally said the area was dominated by cover bands i believe i was responding to someone else that had said that, and if felix and his almighty hurricanes have 2 whole cd's of originals and they are a dominant force in the area as you so arragantly mentioned, then i guess this topic doesnt really apply to them. and no i dont get out much becoz i'm not old enough to get into bars to go see jesus and the hurricanes. and if you want to hear some bach or mozart or beethoven...ask a dj sometime i'm sure they wouldnt mind playin some for ya.

Banned · Post by **Banned** » Monday Jan 23, 2006

You are a dippy when you ask why local bands do not put their talent to good use. The musicians in this area are greatly talented, whether they PLAY covers or their original music.

There is NOTHING talented about a Dj. Well they have talent in taking jobs away from musicians who practice and create music.

HIMfag666 · Post by **HIMfag666** » Monday Jan 23, 2006

and maybe you missed the part where i said coverbands dont suck, they must be good at what they do, or there wouldnt be "so many" (we'll put it that way since maybe dominant was a poor choice of words). i do believe that was in the post of mine that you quoted.

HIMfag666 · Post by **HIMfag666** » Monday Jan 23, 2006

ok here's my whole problem, we're not talking about how many cd's or original songs felix and the hurricanes have. we were talking about cover bands (which if they have so many originals they are not), you said:

There is NOTHING talented about a Dj. Well they have talent in taking jobs away from musicians who practice and create music

back to the topic of coverbands (the original topic) THEY DO NOT CREATE MUSIC. i can read tabs, i can learn someone elses songs, does that make me ultra talented?

the talent of felix and the hurricanes was never in question here and since you speak so highly of them i'm assuming you are in the band or have taken it upon yourself to be their spokesperson, but always remember, for every good band out there, there is always one better.

Banned · Post by **Banned** » Monday Jan 23, 2006

When any band plays a song, they are creating the sound you hear. They are creating this sound from drums, guitars, basses and other instruments. Therefore they are creating the SOUND you are hearing, and if it is good, you will recognize it as a cover if that is what they are playing.

If you do not recognize it, it may be an original. But they are creating the sound of the song either way.

Whey a DJ plays a song, he pushes a button. period. The only thing a Dj creates is a bowel movement.

Do not try to come on to this site and compare Dj snakes to any person who gets on a stage a plays an instrument to create music.

HIMfag666 · Post by **HIMfag666** » Monday Jan 23, 2006

ok well thank you for spelling out the difference between a cover and an original...i did not know that. but if you want to get that technical about sound creation, a dj does create sound (by pushing the magic bowel movement button). otherwise there would be no sound created smartass. if the dj did not push the button there would be no sound coming from the speakers.