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no surrender · Post by **no surrender** » Sunday Oct 30, 2005

God I adore SANTANA!! i gotta have more of this! PLEASE which album should i get next?

Never heard of Vai but i'll check him out.

What's a "shredder"?

lonewolf · Post by **lonewolf** » Sunday Oct 30, 2005

no surrender wrote:God I adore SANTANA!! i gotta have more of this! PLEASE which album should i get next?

Never heard of Vai but i'll check him out.

What's a "shredder"?

Love, Devotion, Surrender

Santana with Mahavishnu John McLaughlin

Punkinhead · Post by **Punkinhead** » Sunday Oct 30, 2005

no surrender wrote:
Never heard of Vai but i'll check him out.

What's a "shredder"?

John Petrucci, Yngwie Malmsteen, Paul Gilbert are three individuals whose materials I would look into for the definition of a shredder.

no surrender · Post by **no surrender** » Monday Oct 31, 2005

i've listened to some Yngwie. i wanted to get into it but i couldn't. i will try agin to see if i like it. i can't put mu finger on it but smthg didn't clik with me... (but will give all those a try on your advise)

Was Hendrix considered a shredder? Curious if do you guys consider him a good player??

RobTheDrummer · Post by **RobTheDrummer** » Monday Oct 31, 2005

Hendrix was a good player and many consider him a legend...he was no shredder. I think he is over rated, in the same way that Bonham is..

lonewolf · Post by **lonewolf** » Monday Oct 31, 2005

no surrender wrote:i've listened to some Yngwie. i wanted to get into it but i couldn't. i will try agin to see if i like it. i can't put mu finger on it but smthg didn't clik with me... (but will give all those a try on your advise)

Was Hendrix considered a shredder? Curious if do you guys consider him a good player??

No, Hendrix is considered a pioneer of rock guitar styles and a very soulful player, especially with intervals. You will see many amateur shredder-wannabes attack Hendrix and put down his playing as too simplistic.

A shredder is somebody who can tastefully (at least musically) shoot out 8 to 16 equally spaced notes in the short span of a single beat in a tempo of 100+ BPM. Often, these notes will come in the form of an extended arpeggio (the individual notes that make up a chord) and there is surprisingly limited repetition.

In other words, a shredder is very very fast.

Added: Malmsteen is a guitarist's guitarist, so it may be difficult for the regular music listener to appreciate his work. I like Rising Force and Marching Out.

Possessed · Post by **Possessed** » Monday Oct 31, 2005

NO SURRENDER!
You are the most annoying stupid and close minded fuckwad that has ever posted here.
I'm sick of your stupid opinions and I'm sick of you forcing your opinions on everyone else. I respect everyone's opinon on here even if I don't agree with it. NOT EVERYONE SHARES YOUR OPINION. Deal with it.
I don't claim to be the best musician and no one on this page does for that matter. We do respect each other's talents though.
RESPECT is something you need to learn you little shit. RESPECT for my boot in your ass!!!! Grow the fuck up!!!!
If anyone ever finds out who this dickhead is please knock him out!!!!!

Possessed · Post by **Possessed** » Monday Oct 31, 2005

Ok I had to double post because this moron is just totally clueless.
MUSIC IS NOT ABOUT MAKING IT BIG WITH BIG MONEY AND BIG TOURS.
MUSIC IS ABOUT MAKING YOURSELF HAPPY. IF IT DOESN"T INCLUDE MAKING IT "BIG" THEN LET IT BE! IT'S NOT ABOUT WHO"S BETTER THAN THE NEXT GUY EITHER! YOU HAVE TO BE THE BIGGEST ASSHOLE THAT HAS EVER POSTED HERE. YOU HAVE NO CLUE AS TO WHAT IS IMPORTANT TO EACH PERSON HERE. WE ALL HAVE OUR STORIES AND MOST OF US HAVE DONE MORE IN OUR MUSICAL CAREERS THAN MOST OTHER PEOPLE HAVE DONE WITH THEIR WHOLE LIVES. IF YOU KNOW HOW TO MAKE IT BIG THEN SHOW US HOW IT'S DONE!!!!
I'D ALSO LIKE TO SEE IF YOU COULD EVEN PLAY AN INSTRUMENT LET ALONE BE GOOD ENOUGH TO GET ONE GIG IN A RATHOLE LET ALONE PLAY EVERY WEEKEND 3 SETS LONG AND DO IT WITH PASSION AND FIRE AND LAZERBEAMS COMING OUT OF YOUR EYES!!!!!
PROVE ME WRONG IF YOU KNOW SO FUCKING MUCH THEN SHOW ALL OF US ON ROCKPAGE THAT YOU ARE THE BEST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BTW YOU WANT FIRE I'LL SHOW YOU FIRE YOU LITTLE SHIT! ANYONE WHO HAS SEEN ME PLAY LIVE WOULD AGREE I GIVE IT 110% EVERYTIME AND I DO IT FROM MY SOUL AND PEOPLE CAN TELL WHEN ANY MUSICIAN PLAYS FROM THEIR SOUL. EVEN PEOPLE THAT AREN'T INTO MUSIC THAT MUCH. I KNOW EVERYONE HERE PLAYS LIKE THAT ALL THE TIME SO SIT DOWN AND STUFF A CAN OF BEANS IN YOUR ASS.
YOU STINK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

no surrender · Post by **no surrender** » Monday Oct 31, 2005

lonewolf and Rob,

thanks for the help.

just listened to some Yngwie on shred radio.. having a bit of trouble getting into it. i don't know why

..he cranks on the geet .. but doesn't make me head bang .. but i'm still going to give it a chance...

another Q: what is 'indie rock" ?????? is that same a s shredding?

no surrender · Post by **no surrender** » Monday Oct 31, 2005

i play SANTANA and i am jumpin around..

i play Yngwie and i look at muself and i am not jumpin around..

BUT i don't know why

ToonaRockGuy · Post by **ToonaRockGuy** » Monday Oct 31, 2005

no surrender wrote:another Q: what is 'indie rock" ?????? is that same a s shredding?

NS, no, Indie rock is not shredding. Indie rock is a genre of rock characterized by a band signing with a small, independent label instead of a mainstream label (Arista, Warner Brothers), so they will have more control over their own music and their own career.

Most indie rock bands are not hard rock, they usually have some form of acoustic guitar in the songs, along with softer lyrics. Examples of "indie rock" bands are My Morning Jacket, Phantom Planet, The Pennies, The Flaming Lips, Nick Drake, Ryan Adams, Sunny Day Real Estate, Wilco, and Neutral Milk Hotel.

YankeeRose · Post by **YankeeRose** » Monday Oct 31, 2005

I really can't believe I'm replying to you! With Yngwie, you need to sit back, close your eyes and look within - see if your Soul is moved...

no surrender · Post by **no surrender** » Monday Oct 31, 2005

ToonaRockGuy wrote:
no surrender wrote:another Q: what is 'indie rock" ?????? is that same a s shredding?
NS, no, Indie rock is not shredding. Indie rock is a genre of rock characterized by a band signing with a small, independent label instead of a mainstream label (Arista, Warner Brothers), so they will have more control over their own music and their own career.

Most indie rock bands are not hard rock, they usually have some form of acoustic guitar in the songs, along with softer lyrics. Examples of "indie rock" bands are My Morning Jacket, Phantom Planet, The Pennies, The Flaming Lips, Nick Drake, Ryan Adams, Sunny Day Real Estate, Wilco, and Neutral Milk Hotel.

ok. Is "thrash" shredder? also what is 'progressive metal" and how does it differ from other two?

i'm really getting an education here! thanks all!

ps i no what hair metal is so don't worry i won't ask THAT!

bassist_25 · Post by **bassist_25** » Monday Oct 31, 2005

I always thought that Yngwie was a very talented player who's also blessed with excellent composition skills, but he usually eschews those skills to wank on a bunch of sweeping. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with sweeping, but I wish Yngwie would "think out" what he plays. I think that his playing would have a longer lasting effect on the audience.

Of course, that's just my opinion.

no surrender · Post by **no surrender** » Monday Oct 31, 2005

bassist_25 wrote:I always thought that Yngwie was a very talented player who's also blessed with excellent composition skills, but he usually eschews those skills to wank on a bunch of sweeping. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with sweeping, but I wish Yngwie would "think out" what he plays. I think that his playing would have a longer lasting effect on the audience.

Of course, that's just my opinion.

what is "sweeping"? possible this is what i don't like?

ToonaRockGuy · Post by **ToonaRockGuy** » Monday Oct 31, 2005

Thrash metal is as fast, loud, and brutal as possible.

Progressive Metal is usually WAY more involved than simple 3-chord progressions. Prog-Metal bands write very involved songs, that usually have many key, time, and theme changes, and it's really "Musician's" music. Examples of Prog-Metal or Prog-Rock bands are Dream Theater, Symphorce, E.L.P., Rush, and Queensryche.

no surrender · Post by **no surrender** » Monday Oct 31, 2005

ToonaRockGuy wrote:Thrash metal is as fast, loud, and brutal as possible.

Progressive Metal is usually WAY more involved than simple 3-chord progressions. Prog-Metal bands write very involved songs, that usually have many key, time, and theme changes, and it's really "Musician's" music. Examples of Prog-Metal or Prog-Rock bands are Dream Theater, Symphorce, E.L.P., Rush, and Queensryche.

thanks! you really no your shit! i never new Queensryche was progressive rock but i new smthg was different about them. i love them! i thot that what thrash was by the name. now i understand! your examples help me to ck out the different kinds of music. really much thanks !!!

you no i like most instriments but it is the GEETt that always did it for me! Always been partial to the Geet! it does IT for me!

YankeeRose · Post by **YankeeRose** » Monday Oct 31, 2005

Progressive? Does Porcupine Tree fit? I had to force myself to stop listening to them for a while.
In my opinion, they are almost addictive! There are so many different tune styles on the CDs of theirs a friend did NOT burn me...hard hitting, "I want to hurt someone" rock to the most Soulful, beautiful music you've ever heard!

ToonaRockGuy · Post by **ToonaRockGuy** » Monday Oct 31, 2005

Personally, I'd classify Porcupine Tree as more of a jam band than a progressive band. They are cool, I saw them with The Allmans not too long ago, and you never knew where they were going to go musically. Great band live.

Punkinhead · Post by **Punkinhead** » Monday Oct 31, 2005

A shredder is fast, very fast, and very precise. It has nothing to do with what moves you personally NS (not a knock against you). Different things move different people.

Check out Paul Gilbert or John Petrucci for more on shredding. You will dig them more than Yngwie (more so Petrucci, Gilbert is freakishly fast and odd while Petrucci is most likely more accessible to a newbie while being just as fast). If you have no taste for classical music or for ungodly long 32nd note runs and sweeps, then Yngwie is not your best choice. But what he does is shred, that is for sure.

And Hendrix was phenomenal as a musician and as a communicator using the guitar. Simplistic or not, he got the point across of what he was trying to say. I don't know that I've heard anyone who can portray a war scene live better than he did on Machine Gun. But Hendrix was not a shredder. But to me, he still is the best guitarist of all time. You can do whatever you want technique-wise. Until you communicate like that man did, you aren't in his league.

And lastly:

Thrash is a form of metal meets punk. Fast, furious, riffing. Not speed metal though.

Sweeping is the art of playing an arpeggio across a set of strings by using one pick motion down or up across all of the strings you intend on playing. The motion is that of a "sweep" across the strings. Do this fast and you have blazing arpeggios. Get even better at it, add in hammer ons, taps, etc. and it's...well...lol...But seriously, it's an awesome technique when used right, especially in a metal setting such as speed metal, death metal, or black metal. It's also the most over-used technique by way too many people.

no surrender · Post by **no surrender** » Monday Oct 31, 2005

pompkin, will look those up. like i said i live and have lived by those wonderful strings !

rockin to GOTH metal radio! right tis sec the chameleons! do you know them? love the melodic sway of the beeeeeeat.....makes me sway to and fro (not jump)