THE POLITICAL ARENA!!! Political Gladiators Inside!!

[f.sciarrillo]

[lonewolf]

I kinda figure that a good barometer of just how bad the economy sucks is that I have a bunch of good musical gear for sale at a little more than half of what it sells for on eBay and nobody is buying it.

But then, maybe thats just a barometer for SOMETHING ELSE!

(this is a good analogy for why some stats & charts are irrelevant to some subjects)

[f.sciarrillo]

The unemployment rate drops to 8.1% in April, but only showed a 115,000 new jobs. Wow down a hole percent, everyone hail the ever mighty oracle, Obama.

The way the liberals are talking about this, you would think it is that a week. I guess not, huh?

Read more: http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/ ... m_facebook

Ya know, I seriously wish they would use the true unemployment rate instead of this fudged numbers scheme.

[f.sciarrillo]

[Banned]

"People Not In Labor Force Soar By 522,000, Labor Force Participation Rate Lowest Since 1981"

"...it is just getting sad now. In April the number of people not in the labor force rose by a whopping 522,000 from 87,897,000 to
88,419,000. This is the highest on record. The flip side, and the reason why the unemployment dropped to 8.1% is that the labor force participation rate just dipped to a new 30 year low of 64.3%. "

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/people-no ... owest-1981

[Banned]

"According to the federal government, there are 12.6 million working age Americans that are considered to be "officially" unemployed, but there are another 87.8 million working age Americans that are not working either. The federal government considers those Americans to be "not in the labor force" so they are not included in the unemployment rate. In fact, this is one of the key ways that the government manipulates the unemployment numbers. "

http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/arch ... -have-jobs

[songsmith]

Notice they have RED blindfolds on.

[Banned]

Notice they have RED blindfolds on.

Like good commies.

[songsmith]

"People Not In Labor Force Soar By 522,000, Labor Force Participation Rate Lowest Since 1981"

Yet taxes are lower than they were in 1981. C'mon, job-creators, you're making record profits, where are those jobs you're getting credit for "creating?"
Also, didn't somebody just say that Baby-Boomers are retiring at an unprecedented rate... so... that wouldn't have any bearing on employment numbers, right? Or do we just use the cherry-picked stats from blogs and Foxholes?
Again, who here was hired or fired by Barack Obama? Everytime I ever took or lost a job, it was the businessman who made the decision, not the president... and business is showing record margins, exec salaries are up double-digits. If the precious 2010 House of Reps was responsible for the current economic upturn, why does the blame for it's slow performance go to the President?
Yeah, I know, these are political questions the right can't answer, they're more concerned with attacking the questioner.

[Banned]

"People Not In Labor Force Soar By 522,000, Labor Force Participation Rate Lowest Since 1981"

Also, didn't somebody just say that Baby-Boomers are retiring at an unprecedented rate... so...

No, it was predicted the day they were born. It is quite simple to calculate when someone will turn 65, even for liberals.

It is true, 10,000 people in this country turn 65, each and every day. That is leading to the unnoticed problem of the unfunded SS and Medicare entitlements that are in the $100 TRILLION plus range.

People who turn 65 and qualify for SS and Medicare are not counted in the unemployment number, duh.

[f.sciarrillo]

"People Not In Labor Force Soar By 522,000, Labor Force Participation Rate Lowest Since 1981"

Yet taxes are lower than they were in 1981. C'mon, job-creators, you're making record profits, where are those jobs you're getting credit for "creating?"
Also, didn't somebody just say that Baby-Boomers are retiring at an unprecedented rate... so... that wouldn't have any bearing on employment numbers, right? Or do we just use the cherry-picked stats from blogs and Foxholes?
Again, who here was hired or fired by Barack Obama? Everytime I ever took or lost a job, it was the businessman who made the decision, not the president... and business is showing record margins, exec salaries are up double-digits. If the precious 2010 House of Reps was responsible for the current economic upturn, why does the blame for it's slow performance go to the President?
Yeah, I know, these are political questions the right can't answer, they're more concerned with attacking the questioner.

Once again you are pigeonholing for your master. When Bush was President, the job losses were all his fault, and once again you point out that since Obama is President, there is no way it can be the Presidents fault. Once again you show how hypocritical you liberals are.

So, tell me this, why was it Bush's fault for the Job losses, but yet it isn't obama's fault? Just like it was with anything else. Gas prices were Bush's fault, but they are in no way shape or form Obama's fault. Tell me oh great one, why is it that all this stuff was Bush's fault, but none of it is Obama's fault.

Tell me why you blame everything on one President and not another when the other President is doing the same the one president did! I can guarantee that if Romney gets elected, you will be going back to blaming the President for everything again.

I am waiting for the ultimate hypocritical answer, I know you won't disappoint, Johnny.

[songsmith]

Come on Johnny,you're only what? 4 years older than me? .

You're 44 years old? I had you pegged for 34, tops. I stand corrected.
Nevertheless, I've been plugged into the Blair County scene since '87, and I never heard of anyone in the band before maybe 8 yrs ago.
And you can pooh-pooh my play-schedule all you want. I paid those dues, everyone knows I did, and you can't take anything from me, no matter how hard you try. I support your decision to have a family, but I didn't, because playing was my priority. I didn't get married until I was 28, didn't own a house until I was nearly 40, still have a "part-time retail" day-job because it allows me to schedule shows at will. You don't have to like me personally, or enjoy the music my friends and I make, but any attempt to lessen what I've slowly accomplished over 28 years will be met with... a knowing smile. Like this.--->

[f.sciarrillo]

Notice they have RED blindfolds on.

Yeah, that is their way of flipping off the american people. Liberals don't care about the citizens of this country. They only care about making the people bow down to the ever powerful government.

[RobTheDrummer]

Still can't get people to tell me 3 things Obama has done to make the country better....

[lonewolf]

"People Not In Labor Force Soar By 522,000, Labor Force Participation Rate Lowest Since 1981"

Also, didn't somebody just say that Baby-Boomers are retiring at an unprecedented rate... so... that wouldn't have any bearing on employment numbers, right? Or do we just use the cherry-picked stats from blogs and Foxholes?

Yes, I did. That is not good for either argument. That also means that there are 300,000 new job slots every month to either fill, or not. In any event, those 300,000 slots do not appear in the unemployment rate data, so that means that these paltry sub-200,000 monthly job gains really, really suck...The pre "boomer retirement era" break even number that investors gauge was 230,000 jobs/month just to break even. Since then, that number has dropped significantly. After the 2nd worst recession that I have lived thru while on my own, jobs numbers should be thru the roof under these demographics!

This means that the economy is even worse than the pundits are telling us. If you listen to Cramer and the other cheerleaders on CNBC, you are in for a rude awakening.

[lonewolf]

If the precious 2010 House of Reps was responsible for the current economic upturn, why does the blame for it's slow performance go to the President?

What current economic upturn?

[Don Hughes]

The Veterans Pac has released an ad blasting obama for spiking the football over getting Bin Laden.

America knows who deserves the credit for killing Osama Bin Laden - United States Navy SEALs and the American intelligence community. Join with Veterans for a Strong America and let President Obama know who really deserves the credit.

Here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... srSAqRrCc0

Even the veterans are tired of his BS. Wow.

A hero wears a uniform and puts his life on the line without wanting applause, not stand behind a podium reading a teleprompter and saying how great he is.

Spiking the football? I seem to remember George W Bush flying onto an aircraft carrier and spiking the football when we wern't even close to getting out of there!

I don't mind Obama doing that for two reasons:

1. I think some Republicans are just mad that they didn't have the Presidency when Bin Laden was assasinated so they could do the same thing.

2. If I had a hand in killing Bin Laden, you can bet your ass I'll be spiking the football, doing the Chicago Bears Super Bowl Shuffle, and celebrating like Big Ern McCracken from "Kingpin."

Come to think of itI believe I did that anyways

[lonewolf]

There is more than a bit of a difference between an off year photo-op/announcement and a full-swing election year campaign advertisement.

[songsmith]

[Spiking the football? I seem to remember George W Bush flying onto an aircraft carrier and spiking the football when we wern't even close to getting out of there!

I don't mind Obama doing that for two reasons:

1. I think some Republicans are just mad that they didn't have the Presidency when Bin Laden was assasinated so they could do the same thing.

2. If I had a hand in killing Bin Laden, you can bet your ass I'll be spiking the football, doing the Chicago Bears Super Bowl Shuffle, and celebrating like Big Ern McCracken from "Kingpin."

Come to think of itI believe I did that anyways

+1

[songsmith]

In any event, those 300,000 slots do not appear in the unemployment rate data, .

But it would be indicated in the number of people no longer in the workforce, per Huey's post. DENIED.

Incidentally, when Cramer warned of the 2008 real-estate and derivatives crash, the rightwing media made him a laughingstock. Remember, they called it a "meltdown?" Say what you will, but he laughed loudest.

[songsmith]

There is more than a bit of a difference between an off year photo-op/announcement and a full-swing election year campaign advertisement.

Really? Where was Obama's parachute jump onto a carrier? Where was the MISSION ACCOMPLISHED banner? Obama SHOULD spike the football. He made the call, and if it went sour, YOU would be calling for his impeachment right now. When Clinton tried to get Bin Laden, it was "wagging the dog." When Bush ignored him and went to Iraq instead, he was a "patriot" and "freedom fighter." Obama got him. If it was me, I'd parachute onto a warship with a banner that said, "Suck it, Fox News."

[songsmith]

If the precious 2010 House of Reps was responsible for the current economic upturn, why does the blame for it's slow performance go to the President?

What current economic upturn?

Hmmm, what are we at now, 30 months of growth? Unemployment numbers are falling, instead of shedding 700,000 jobs per month. Real estate is returning, albeit slowly...I was in SW Florida this week, and they're selling homes like crazy there. The auto industry is doing gangbusters. Executive salaries are up double-digits even over last year.

THAT economic upturn.

[f.sciarrillo]

The Veterans Pac has released an ad blasting obama for spiking the football over getting Bin Laden.

America knows who deserves the credit for killing Osama Bin Laden - United States Navy SEALs and the American intelligence community. Join with Veterans for a Strong America and let President Obama know who really deserves the credit.

Here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... srSAqRrCc0

Even the veterans are tired of his BS. Wow.

A hero wears a uniform and puts his life on the line without wanting applause, not stand behind a podium reading a teleprompter and saying how great he is.

Spiking the football? I seem to remember George W Bush flying onto an aircraft carrier and spiking the football when we wern't even close to getting out of there!

I don't mind Obama doing that for two reasons:

1. I think some Republicans are just mad that they didn't have the Presidency when Bin Laden was assasinated so they could do the same thing.

2. If I had a hand in killing Bin Laden, you can bet your ass I'll be spiking the football, doing the Chicago Bears Super Bowl Shuffle, and celebrating like Big Ern McCracken from "Kingpin."

Come to think of itI believe I did that anyways

What they are upset about is him using it try and get ahead in the campaign. If it was done any other time, I don't think there would be a big deal about it. Even though he isn't really the one who gave the order to go after Bin Laden in the first place. Even I wouldn't care if he was doing it without a campaign agenda. But then he has to have at least one thing to run on, since everything else he did was a failure.

I also remember reading something some where that said that Bush didn't want to do the mission accomplished speech.

[lonewolf]

If the precious 2010 House of Reps was responsible for the current economic upturn, why does the blame for it's slow performance go to the President?

What current economic upturn?

Hmmm, what are we at now, 30 months of growth? Unemployment numbers are falling, instead of shedding 700,000 jobs per month. Real estate is returning, albeit slowly...I was in SW Florida this week, and they're selling homes like crazy there. The auto industry is doing gangbusters. Executive salaries are up double-digits even over last year.

THAT economic upturn.

After the 2nd worst recession of my lifetime, we should be going gangbusters and have had at least one year of 5% growth. Yep, 2% increase in next to nothing is still next to nothing.

I was actively house hunting in FL for 2 months and researched the prior sale prices for many...they are selling like hotcakes for about half of what they sold for before the housing bubble.

I saw an auction short sale for two golf resort multi-family units where the prior selling price was over a $million each and the sale price was $92,000. Had I gotten there a week earlier, I would have bid on both of them. Ten cents on the dollar there Johnny...big, big upturn.

[songsmith]

Still can't get people to tell me 3 things Obama has done to make the country better....

1) Ended "Don't Ask, Don't Tell."
2) Saved the US auto industry.
3) Ended "pre-existing conditions."

1) Decimated Al Qaeda, including Bin Laden.
2) Brought combat troops home from Iraq.
3) Re-established US standing in world affairs.

1) Deported more illeagl aliens than anyone before him.
2) Tax bills lowest since 1950.
3) Fed deficit shrank 8% year-on-year.

1) Ended media blackout on war casualties.
2) Cut prescription drug costs for Medicare recipients by 50%.
3) Denounced the insane Citizen's United SCOTUS ruling.

1) Lily Ledbetter Act for Fair Pay For Women.
2) Got the Nobel Peace Prize. That's for promoting peace.
3) Increased regulation of drug companies.

1) G20 Summit produced a trillion-dollar package aimed at reducing effect of world financial crisis.
2) Iran Sanctions Act.
3) Created offshore drilling review board in response to BP disaster.

1) Banks have repaid 75% of Bush-era TARP bailout. Cost now down to $89B.
2) Limited White House aides ability to lobby after leaving... Bush era cabinet are now all multi-millionaire lobbyists.
3) Removed restrictions on embryonic stem-cell research.

1) Authorized SEALs to take out Somali pirates.
2) Went after predatory lenders and derivatives trading.
3) Ended No-bid defense contracts.

I can go on and on, but it just makes the rightwing media misinformation and spin seem silly. Incidentally, he did all this with a Congress whose "Job One" is to oppose everything he says, does or thinks. (not fix the economy, or help create jobs, etc.)