THE POLITICAL ARENA!!! Political Gladiators Inside!!

[shredder138]

Hey it's my birthday!
AND YOU GUYS ARE STILL A BUNCH OF LOSERS!

No but seriously I wouldn't waste a good bday wish on you chumps.

Happy birthday Chump!

[songsmith]

[It was in my book. If you liberals can't take it as such and want to continue to cry rivers over it, that is your prerogative. You will be bitching about it for the next month. WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH !!

No need to cry about it, though I'm sure you would.
No need to cry when you're having him fired. That's a smiley-moment.

[songsmith]

Thank you for establishing that you are completely clueless, even when presented with simple graphical data. This also establishes that you are delusional, as you actually think that you somehow made some kind of rebuttal, let alone one that actually rebuted anything.

No evidence of the economic crash? WTF do you call that on the right side of the first chart?

Its not a slight downturn...its a fucking cliff.

]

You need to check your eyesight, Jeff. The second chart, showing labor workforce, shows an INCREASE in the workforce at the beginning of 2008, and does not show much more than 1 million movement up/or down, since. Now if you want me to believe that the Bush admin increased the workforce by TEN MILLION-PLUS during the GOLDEN AGE OF OUTSOURCING, you're going to have to try harder.
In addition, not only do I see no evidence of your figures coming from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, you dismissed the BLS as my source
EARLIER THIS WEEK.
You boys need to pick a side and stick with it. You can ignore the world around you and self-inform, but that only holds water inside your own minds, not out here in reality.
I feel like I'm watching St. Vitus Dance here, the death-throes of the Rockpage Braintrust, Fundamentalist Conservatism, and all the myriad factions of the Republican Party in general. Public opinion has turned it's back on you all, and none of you have any gravitas. It's all just a big comedy wherein the clowns are not yet aware they are the clowns.

[lonewolf]

Thank you for establishing that you are completely clueless, even when presented with simple graphical data. This also establishes that you are delusional, as you actually think that you somehow made some kind of rebuttal, let alone one that actually rebuted anything.

No evidence of the economic crash? WTF do you call that on the right side of the first chart?

Its not a slight downturn...its a fucking cliff.

]

You need to check your eyesight, Jeff. The second chart, showing labor workforce, shows an INCREASE in the workforce at the beginning of 2008, and does not show much more than 1 million movement up/or down, since. Now if you want me to believe that the Bush admin increased the workforce by TEN MILLION-PLUS during the GOLDEN AGE OF OUTSOURCING, you're going to have to try harder.
In addition, not only do I see no evidence of your figures coming from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, you dismissed the BLS as my source
EARLIER THIS WEEK.
You boys need to pick a side and stick with it. You can ignore the world around you and self-inform, but that only holds water inside your own minds, not out here in reality.
I feel like I'm watching St. Vitus Dance here, the death-throes of the Rockpage Braintrust, Fundamentalist Conservatism, and all the myriad factions of the Republican Party in general. Public opinion has turned it's back on you all, and none of you have any gravitas. It's all just a big comedy wherein the clowns are not yet aware they are the clowns.

Even with government help (patterned areas), you still can't read economic data charts and tie them in with the business cycle. You should stick to the washboard sonny and let us pros handle the money.

Funny how the BLS and the blog charts were identical, but you can't seem to accept any source. Didn't see the charts? I left links to the BLS page so you could easily call them up yourself. Of course, the sources did not agree with Johnny's deluded perception of the world, so neither can be right. Sorry to burst your bubble, but those charts are correct and all those jobs were added during the 2000s expansion and then lost when the housing bubble burst and during the subsequent recession...most of that occurred while Bush was president. Of course, MSNBC and your other uber-left sources don't tell you that, so how could you possibly know the facts?

The housing bubble began popping in 2006 and the recession started in 2007...all you seem to remember are 2008's lagging effects of these events. Don't worry, that's completely typical of mindless partisans.

Unlike partisan idiots, imbeciles and morons, I don't give any spender-in-chief credit for "creating" jobs like he was playing Simcity.

What I do know is that there are very few things the government can do to improve the economy and an infinite number of things that they can do to fuck it up. Obama is rapidly approaching infinity.

[songsmith]

Even with government help (patterned areas), you still can't read economic data charts and tie them in with the business cycle. You should stick to the washboard sonny and let us pros handle the money.

What you seem to be saying here, is that business is responsible for upturns, while gov't is responsible for anything negative. Um, yeah... I think I'll stick to the "washboard," if you're an economics genius. Sounds like you have that talkshow conservatism I'm always talking about. There's a cure: Turn off your AM radio.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but those charts are correct and all those jobs were added during the 2000s expansion and then lost when the housing bubble burst and during the subsequent recession...most of that occurred while Bush was president.

Gotcha, boss. Bad things that happened under Obama were singularly all his fault. What happened under Bush, just "occurred while he was president." You can't blame him for that. And if I attempt to point out what happened under King George's Reign, it never happened.
Okay, now we're clear.

The housing bubble began popping in 2006 and the recession started in 2007...all you seem to remember are 2008's lagging effects of these events. Don't worry, that's completely typical of mindless partisans.

Oh, trust me, I give George W. Bush and the Cheney/Rove/Ashcroft criminal gang FULL CREDIT for every minute of the Great Recession. I know a few "mindless partisans" who actively try to ignore it EVERY DAY in this forum. I also remember the cart tipping over in 2008, and how devastating it was. Much worse than now.

Unlike partisan idiots, imbeciles and morons, I don't give any spender-in-chief credit for "creating" jobs like he was playing Simcity.

...Yet you are the first to assign BLAME to Obama for NOT creating jobs. Perhaps a rethink is in order for you.
Nah, that would require the long climb down from your high-horse. Save yourself the effort, nobody important really gives it all that much weight.

What I do know is that there are very few things the government can do to improve the economy and an infinite number of things that they can do to fuck it up. Obama is rapidly approaching infinity.

Yes, we've covered that... to infinity. Again, you're still limping along on the ideology that you're hand-fed ad infinitum... that as long as the hard-right has little power in government, that government is evil, or inept, or both. The improving economy is a slap to your rightwing face, so you're told to pretend it's not happening. The end of the Iraq War is a popular development, so you're taught to ignore it. Al Qaeda has been decimated, but that doesn't help your party, so it never happened. The GOP hasn't been able to accomplish much of anything except obstructionism the last few years, and America sees they've forgotten about jobs and instead gone tilting at windmills like abortion and birth control. Not only is Obama sailing through the 2012 election so far unscathed, the GOP may lose the House and suffer even more losses in the Senate. Why? DUH! Class warfare. Corporate corruption of government. Puritanical forced religion. And reaction to the right-wing entitlement to power.
I don't see my role here as a mind-changer. I'm not trying to make you a moderate, we avoid people like you for good reason. My role here, underscored numerous times, is to take your sense of entitlement, and pull it's wings off. If it wasn't rewarding, I would have stopped years ago.

[songsmith]

Corporate taxation as a % of GDP. Charts is charts, I guess... if others can post blog-charts, here's one from me. I know you'll all be just fine with it.
http://www.classwarfareexists.com/wp-co ... -rates.jpg

[f.sciarrillo]

Corporate taxation as a % of GDP. Charts is charts, I guess... if others can post blog-charts, here's one from me. I know you'll all be just fine with it.
http://www.classwarfareexists.com/wp-co ... -rates.jpg

Actually, I'm not o.k with that. Everyone whether it be a corporation or human, should pay the same rate. Equality for everyone. No, I'm not sure what I would want the rate to be. But I don't want it different for each income bracket, it should be the same rate cross the board.

[f.sciarrillo]

Fluke a White House Plant?

http://www.floridapoliticalpress.com/20 ... ntroversy/

[lonewolf]

Even with government help (patterned areas), you still can't read economic data charts and tie them in with the business cycle. You should stick to the washboard sonny and let us pros handle the money.

What you seem to be saying here, is that business is responsible for upturns, while gov't is responsible for anything negative. Um, yeah... I think I'll stick to the "washboard," if you're an economics genius. Sounds like you have that talkshow conservatism I'm always talking about. There's a cure: Turn off your AM radio.

Nothing in that statement has anything to do with the relationship between business and government.

It is about your ability (or lack thereof) to read charts. The "government help" I was referring to was how the BLS chart plainly marked the recession with a pattern so that you could see how the cliff in the jobs numbers corresponded to it.

My personal belief is that the more government "does", the worse off we all are, including business. Unless, of course, it has to do with getting rid of the really bad ideas that politicians have already inflicted upon us.

Government meddling makes good times not quite as good or shorter or both and makes bad times worse or longer or both. Presently, the government is doing a lot of things to drag out any recovery.

As the debt mounts, the extent of recoveries will diminish until, one of these business cycles, there will be no recovery.

[f.sciarrillo]

John Wayne on liberals

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btvSE6tV ... r_embedded

God Bless The Duke....

[lonewolf]

The end of the Iraq War is a popular development, so you're taught to ignore it. Al Qaeda has been decimated, but that doesn't help your party, so it never happened. The GOP hasn't been able to accomplish much of anything except obstructionism the last few years, and America sees they've forgotten about jobs and instead gone tilting at windmills like abortion and birth control.

On the contrary, these are good things and I applaud Obama for keeping a few of his promises. I would also like to see us out of Afghanistan ASAP. You also forgot about Obama keeping our UN involvement with Libya at a minimum and without using overt ground troops. He has done some good things; however, his excessive expansion of authoritarianism and socialism in government wipes that all away.

And yes, this year's GOP parade seems to be infected with foot-in-mouth disease. Personally, I don't oppose the birth control mandate on moral grounds and I'm not sure why those idiots are talking about that. I oppose the birth control mandate on firmer constitutional grounds.

Since when does the government have the authority to decide what compensation a private organization must give to its employees? Only since Obama. I am confident that the courts will throw it out.

[Banned]

The end of the Iraq War is a popular development, so you're taught to ignore it. Al Qaeda has been decimated, but that doesn't help your party, so it never happened. The GOP hasn't been able to accomplish much of anything except obstructionism the last few years, and America sees they've forgotten about jobs and instead gone tilting at windmills like abortion and birth control.

On the contrary, these are good things and I applaud Obama for keeping a few of his promises. I would also like to see us out of Afghanistan ASAP. You also forgot about Obama keeping our UN involvement with Libya at a minimum and without using overt ground troops. He has done some good things; however, his excessive expansion of authoritarianism and socialism in government wipes that all away.

And yes, this year's GOP parade seems to be infected with foot-in-mouth disease. Personally, I don't oppose the birth control mandate on moral grounds and I'm not sure why those idiots are talking about that. I oppose the birth control mandate on firmer constitutional grounds.

Since when does the government have the authority to decide what compensation a private organization must give to its employees? Only since Obama. I am confident that the courts will throw it out.

End of Iraq war? There are still 17,000 US troops there, and they are still getting wounded and killed. A new definition of end?

[f.sciarrillo]

I thought this kinda humorous. To be fair, I am looking for one about conservatives as well.

[Hawk]

One thing I really admire about Ron Paul, he is the ONLY Republican (including every Republican candidate and EVERY Republican congressman) who is NOT afraid of Rush Limbaugh.

How in hell can any of those idiots run a country when they're afraid of a damn radio commentator. They ALL lack a backbone. Good for Ron Paul !

[f.sciarrillo]

Johnny, are you constantly calling WRTA and telling them to drop Rush Limbaugh?

[f.sciarrillo]

[Banned]

Yo stumpy, the DOW is now trading 200 points below the 13,000 high you bragged about. Does Obama get the blame?

[Banned]

Incredible corruption in the Obomunism administration. Millions of dollars end up in the pockets of Obama cronies.

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/green-fir ... 1Y8QHn-muJ

"Green Firms Get Fed Cash, Give Execs Bonuses, Fail"

[shredder138]

Quit bitching, start a revolution!

[lonewolf]

Yo stumpy, the DOW is now trading 200 points below the 13,000 high you bragged about. Does Obama get the blame?

Like they decided on Romney for nomination, big money will also decide who the next president will be.

I still think we are in a trading range between DJIA 10,000-13,000 and there is still a very good possiblity of going below 10,000. A protracted bear from here will not bode well for Obama....here is a little quote from last year and I'm sticking to it.

When assets like stocks (IRAs) and real estate are down, its a powerful negative. When they are up, it is a definite plus. With mortgage rates below 4%, real estate should be booming like never before, but its barely holding its own and actually retracting in some areas. As far as stocks go, my chart analysis shows the downturn that i predicted back in april is only half way thru its cycle. I can't put a time on it, but the DJIA should bottom out somewhere in the 9000s before this is all over. A quick downturn to these levels and then a return to the upside will be a definite positive for Obama, whereas a protracted bear market leading into the election will almost certainly spell disaster for him.

Oh, and don't forget the "malaise" factor. Calling us "soft" doesn't do much for the old campaign.

I still think this recent upturn is a sucker's rally.

[Banned]

Quit bitching, start a revolution!

I joined one.

http://www.google.com/search?q=ron%20pa ... 0QHn8rixCg

[Banned]

Maher has called women much worse names than Rush ever did. Will Obomunism return his $1 Million donation? Will the Kenyan call the women Maher has trashed and talk to them?

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/wil ... 33200.html

[f.sciarrillo]

Maher has called women much worse names than Rush ever did. Will Obomunism return his $1 Million donation? Will the Kenyan call the women Maher has trashed and talk to them?

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/wil ... 33200.html

Nope, he won't because he agrees with Maher, and it wasn't done to a liberal woman. Conservative women are free game.

[f.sciarrillo]

Quit bitching, start a revolution!

I still don't know who support. Who would you suggest, and why?

[songsmith]

Johnny, are you constantly calling WRTA and telling them to drop Rush Limbaugh?

Don't need to. He's going to make that happen on his own. I call WRTA for the same reason I come here: conservative "entitlement" to authority makes them easy to eff with.
I enjoy popping their balloons. El Rush-Bo doesn't have opposing viewpoints anymore, it's too dangerous to his agenda. He doesn't have guests, because they might actually say something. I know that would be awesome for you, a world where you're told exactly what to think, and nobody ever disagrees with you, even when you're stupendously wrong.
That'll never happen here. Not with my trusty Lonewolf-designed keyboard, a cup of coffee, and a reasonable command of the Queen's English.
I didn't call WRTA to get rid of Rush, to answer your question. I e-mailed Clear Channel, and a bunch of current and now-former sponsors.