THE POLITICAL ARENA!!! Political Gladiators Inside!!

[lonewolf]

Hey Guys...I dont understand how the Republicans could be so different in their beliefs, and still be in the same party...If I was Ron Paul I`d be upset about how the votes have been counted within the party...I like some of Ron Pauls ideas...the Democrats have concerns for me too....like I agree with alot but not all of the N.R.A...too bad there isn`t a program that puts all the peoples ideas in the voting machines....you vote for the ideas and the candidates will all tell us how best to implement OUR ideas...

Tom, I suggest you watch the 3rd season of Babylon 5 which is called the "Shadow War".

There was the "good" ancient race called the Vorlons who were allied with humans and other young races and the "bad" ancients, called the Shadows. Well, the "good" ancients didn't turn out to be so good and it was revealed that the war was really between the ideologies of the two ancient races. They had forgotten their real task of guiding the younger races in favor of using them to promote their ideology.

The allied Vorlons were indoctrinating the younger races, including humans, to follow their ideology of order through authority. Meanwhile, the Shadows came out every 1000 years or so to stir up trouble between the younger races, and get them to war amongst themselves to let their Darwinist-like chaos ideology take over.

Finally, both ancient races started killing off the younger races.

The final revelation was to reject both ancient races and their ideologies. Once the younger races rejected them and they had no followers, they realized that it was time for them to leave this part of the galaxy.

I thought it was an excellent metaphor for our political predicament...and the best damned sci-fi series that I ever saw.

[songsmith]

Dow finishes over 13,000, first time since 2008. If Big Bad O is responsible for all the bad parts of the economy, he's gotta be responsible for this, right?

It took 4 years to grow and you get that tingle?

So you ARE saying Obama's responsible for market success.
Thanks, I knew you'd eventually have to agree. That it only took 4 yrs is miraculous.

[Banned]

Dow finishes over 13,000, first time since 2008. If Big Bad O is responsible for all the bad parts of the economy, he's gotta be responsible for this, right?

It took 4 years to grow and you get that tingle?

So you ARE saying Obama's responsible for market success.
Thanks, I knew you'd eventually have to agree. That it only took 4 yrs is miraculous.

I will give Obomunism some credit if you give him the blame for the rotten economy, rotten unemployment, rotten housing market and the devalued US dollar, and the record deficit spending and increasing the DEBT beyond the GDP.

[lonewolf]

Dow finishes over 13,000, first time since 2008. If Big Bad O is responsible for all the bad parts of the economy, he's gotta be responsible for this, right?

It took 4 years to grow and you get that tingle?

So you ARE saying Obama's responsible for market success.
Thanks, I knew you'd eventually have to agree. That it only took 4 yrs is miraculous.

If you call DOW 1300 success. Sure, he can have it.

I know how much you like RECORDS since you've shown us how important they are:

For the DJIA, the record close was under Dubya: 14,164.53 on 10/9/07

AND the decade low was under Obama at 6,547 on 3/9/09

Incidently, despite what idiot journalists call it, DOW is the incorrect term for the DJIA. DOW is the ticker symbol for Dow Chemical.

Dow Jones has many indicies, such as the Transports and Utilities which are used to confirm movements by the Industrials.

The Transports are NOT confirming the Industrials.

[f.sciarrillo]

It took 4 years to grow and you get that tingle?

So you ARE saying Obama's responsible for market success.
Thanks, I knew you'd eventually have to agree. That it only took 4 yrs is miraculous.

I will give Obomunism some credit if you give him the blame for the rotten economy, rotten unemployment, rotten housing market and the devalued US dollar, and the record deficit spending and increasing the DEBT beyond the GDP.

You forgot the lowering of the US credit rating.

[songsmith]

[It doesn't excuse the fact that your media, MSNBC, and the like, had 4 times more stories about gas prices for Bush than for Obama. Why is that? They are covering up for him. Face facts, your media, MSNBC and the like, are biased and are covering up for Obama.
. And not a conservative or liberal in sheeps clothing. You are a liberal in sheeps clothing.

The RNC has been circulating a "Pundit Prep" sheet outlining what they want the screech-owls in the wingnut media to say, and they say it. It says to attack Obama on 1) unemployment, 2) the national debt, and 3) gas prices. Not only has this been leaked and distributed to other outlets, one of the Fox & Friends d-bags read it live on the air, verbatim.
http://mediamatters.org/blog/201202200003
Jon Stewart did a monologue on it that pretty much destroys it, and the Braintrust's blind faith in Fox. Here it is on video:
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/jon-stewart- ... mber-2008/

So forgive me for noticing a long time ago what you lot have never figured out, that you're being manipulated by your media. They work on your paranoia, self-importance, sour grapes, and inability to see when you're being bamboozled.
It's awesome that the 'Trust is all bajiggity, though. That part is exactly how it should be. It's like a pack of dogs chasing a wind-blown plastic grocery bag... the rabbit grins while they all tire themselves out.

[f.sciarrillo]

The RNC has been circulating a "Pundit Prep" sheet outlining what they want the screech-owls in the wingnut media to say, and they say it. It says to
attack Obama on 1) unemployment, 2) the national debt, and 3) gas prices.
http://mediamatters.org/blog/201202200003
Jon Stewart did a monologue on it that pretty much destroys it, and the Braintrust's blind faith in Fox. Here it is on video:
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/jon-stewart- ... mber-2008/

All things that the liberals attacked Bush on. Big time. You must have forgotten that, well, you chose to forget that. As for media matters, they are nothing but a site to repute Foxnews. That is all they do. They are not a real news organization. They are ran by the largest funder of the democratic party, George Soros. So don't give me any of the crap they spew. They are more bias than MSNBC.....

Now I know where some of your sources are.

[songsmith]

On another note: I am watching MSNBC and they, Al Sharpton, are referring to Mitt Romney as Willard Romney. That is his real name, but they are using it as a means of disrespect. I bet they would be thinking different if someone was doing that to Obama.
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Yeah, they should call him "Hussein" and see what happens. Nah, the conservative media is far too principled and fair to stoop to calling the president names that seem disrepectful, or extreme. Like "Hussein." Or "Barry." Or "socialist." Or "Bill's socialist Kenyan Fuhrer." Or "Obomunism."
FAIL.

[f.sciarrillo]

On another note: I am watching MSNBC and they, Al Sharpton, are referring to Mitt Romney as Willard Romney. That is his real name, but they are using it as a means of disrespect. I bet they would be thinking different if someone was doing that to Obama.
.

Yeah, they should call him "Hussein" and see what happens. Nah, the conservative media is far too principled and fair to stoop to calling the president names that seem disrepectful, or extreme. Like "Hussein." Or "Barry." Or "socialist." Or "Bill's socialist Kenyan Fuhrer." Or "Obomunism."
FAIL.

Look at all the names that the liberal media called Bush! I guess that was o.k. Give some take some. Plain and simple. Once again, you chose to forget.

[songsmith]

"How does allowing politicians to take more money in taxes from successful people, to squander in ways that will improve their own reelection prospects, make anything more "fair" for others?"

http://lewrockwell.com/sowell/sowell75.1.html

Simple. When the American society is your benefactor, you owe something back to the American society.
I ask: How does exploiting American workers, shareholders, government, and consumers in a time of great need, and expecting them all to shoulder all costs, make anything more "fair?"

[Banned]

20 Economic Statistics To Use To Wake Sheeple Up From Their Entertainment-Induced Comas

http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/arch ... uced-comas

Some examples:

"#8 Right now, there are 88 million working age Americans that do not have jobs and that the government says are not looking for jobs."

"#10 In January 2009, there were 2.6 million "long-term unemployed workers" according to the federal government. Today, there are 5.6 million."

"#16 The U.S. government is stealing about 150 million dollars from our children and our grandchildren every single hour of every single day.

#17 If Bill Gates gave all of his money to the U.S. government, it would only cover the U.S. budget deficit for about 15 days.

#18 Since the Federal Reserve was created, the U.S. dollar has declined in value by more than 95 percent and the U.S. national debt has gotten more than 5000 times larger."

Wonder how the ranting delusional troll will spin this?

Notice the delusional troll ignored all these facts?

[lonewolf]

"How does allowing politicians to take more money in taxes from successful people, to squander in ways that will improve their own reelection prospects, make anything more "fair" for others?"

http://lewrockwell.com/sowell/sowell75.1.html

Simple. When the American society is your benefactor, you owe something back to the American society.

Fine.

How does sending more tax money to politicians to be squandered on re-election give anything back to American society?

[songsmith]

You don't want to vote for Romney because you know he has a chance of beating Obam. You are scared to death of Obama losing. You know it. You got the idea to vote for Santorum from MSNBC. They been broadcasting it for days now. They too are afraid of Romney.

As for Carter, you probably begged your parents to vote for him.

Frank: Read closely. I know you're not the most perceptive guy, but you're a good guy, so I'll explain it yet again:

1) Romney has little chance of beating Obama. The Tea Party and other far-right groups have diluted the conservative vote to so many other candidates (Bachmann, Cain, Perry, Gingrich, Santorum, Trump, and the other flavors-of-the-week) that there is no clear majority consensus. In fact, the GOP convention may actually wind up being a brokered convention, meaning some other candidate (Marco Rubio, Jeb Bush, Mitch Daniels, etc) might be able to get the nomination. NONE OF THEM could beat Obama in the general election. Understand: The tactics of divisiveness that the right-wing media employs have bitten them in the ass, and the Right couldn't agree on what direction the sky is.

2) I am not even a little scared of Obama losing in November. I wasn't, I'm not, and I won't be in the near future. The right-wing media is the sole seat of rightwing power right now, and they're getting clobbered on every front. Rupert Murdoch's son just stepped down at News Corp, and their entire worldwide media empire is at risk. A comedy show that basically shows clips of Fox News pundits screwing up now gets as many viewers as Fox News' entire broadcast day. Rightwing talk-radio has been losing listeners at the rate of 10% per year since 2006, and former-Top 5 hosts Bill O'Reilly and Glenn Beck are gone. People just aren't buying into the sky-is-falling routine anymore. It's dated, and passe.

3) I got the idea of voting for Santorum from Rush Limbaugh, who proposed it 4 years ago, against Hilary Clinton. Operation Chaos, it was called. If you could remember things, I said last fall that I would register Republican so I could vote for Sarah Palin, and offered $1000US for tickets to an Obama/Palin debate. I'm voting for Santorum for the same reason. Romney admits to doing the same exact thing.
I like that it bothers you, that's the entire point of it, that and getting to help sabotage the rightwing by hoisting them on their own extremist petard.

4) I watched MSNBC the night of the last GOP debate/sideshow. I figured I'd better see what you guys were bawling about, so I watched an episode of Rachel Maddow. I can see why you don't like her... she's everything you hate: smart, truthful, fearless, and gay. There's not a single Foxer who could beat her in a debate, except possibly Greta Van Susteren, who has all those previously-mentioned qualities... except truthfulness. Greta doesn't belong on Fox.

5) The left is not "afraid" of Mitt Romney. The extreme RIGHT is afraid of Mitt Romney. He's got a long record of moderate and left-wing legislation and accomplishments, including the healthcare bill Obamacare was modeled after. He flip-flops any way the wind blows. He's not Tea Party/Norquist/Rove material. Hell, he continually has to remind the GOP that he's even conservative!
Big Bad O is doing what he did in '08: sitting back, letting the hardline-right knock their own house of cards over. Sarah Palin and the dum-dums lost that election, by making it seem that McCain was too moderate, that extremism was what we REALLY needed. President Obama won easily, no stacked Supreme Court decision necessary. America isn't an extremist-right nation. It's a completely moderate population, leaning slightly left. Only about 20% ever watch Fox, or supported the Tea Party. That 20% segment of the population is declining daily, in the face of economic recovery, wars ending, terrorists dying, equality for gays, etc. And of course, the most important reason-- non-stop wing-nut propaganda.
It gets old.

Oh, and my dad was a Reaganite. My mom was a mom.

[songsmith]

Wonder how the ranting delusional troll will spin this?

You're the only ranting delusional paranoid schizophrenic troll here. What do the voices in your head say, Huey?

[songsmith]

On another note: I am watching MSNBC and they, Al Sharpton, are referring to Mitt Romney as Willard Romney. That is his real name, but they are using it as a means of disrespect. I bet they would be thinking different if someone was doing that to Obama.
.

Yeah, they should call him "Hussein" and see what happens. Nah, the conservative media is far too principled and fair to stoop to calling the president names that seem disrepectful, or extreme. Like "Hussein." Or "Barry." Or "socialist." Or "Bill's socialist Kenyan Fuhrer." Or "Obomunism."
FAIL.

Look at all the names that the liberal media called Bush! I guess that was o.k. Give some take some. Plain and simple. Once again, you chose to forget.

Like what names? What did the "liberal media" call Bush? They didn't call names, they reported what he did. George Bush's adiminstration was made up of former Nixon operatives, and he got far less negative press than he deserved. They caused the Great Recession, the Great Wall Street Robbery, the Iraq War, Medicare Part D, and the list goes on and on. They should all be in jail.
I called him lots of names. I never supported him, but the Braintrust did! I stick to my guns, and don't ignore that entire 8-year era, like some here. You should be angry at what he did to conservatism, but you're such a follower, you either regurgitate media-misinformation, or pretend the whole thing never happened.

[f.sciarrillo]

Yeah, they should call him "Hussein" and see what happens. Nah, the conservative media is far too principled and fair to stoop to calling the president names that seem disrepectful, or extreme. Like "Hussein." Or "Barry." Or "socialist." Or "Bill's socialist Kenyan Fuhrer." Or "Obomunism."
FAIL.

Look at all the names that the liberal media called Bush! I guess that was o.k. Give some take some. Plain and simple. Once again, you chose to forget.

Like what names? What did the "liberal media" call Bush? They didn't call names, they reported what he did. George Bush's adiminstration was made up of former Nixon operatives, and he got far less negative press than he deserved. They caused the Great Recession, the Great Wall Street Robbery, the Iraq War, Medicare Part D, and the list goes on and on. They should all be in jail.
I called him lots of names. I never supported him, but the Braintrust did! I stick to my guns, and don't ignore that entire 8-year era, like some here. You should be angry at what he did to conservatism, but you're such a follower, you either regurgitate media-misinformation, or pretend the whole thing never happened.

They called him Dumb, a fascist, a murderer, a war criminal, stupid, etc. They also promoted a book about killing him.

Here is a little bit of what MSNBC did: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/geoffrey-d ... ascist-if-

Once again, you chose to forget. It is o.k when the liberals do it, but not if we do it to your messiah, Obama. There is a major double standard. Then you chose to not see it. Mostly because you agree with it all, as long as it is against the GOP.

All I want is fairness, no more of this childish BS you see all the time. The liberals are always crying and whining about civility, but yet they are the most uncivil wingnuts out there.

[songsmith]

Fine.

How does sending more tax money to politicians to be squandered on re-election give anything back to American society?

Well, that's the Fox-approved answer/question, but it's not accurate.
Your tax dollars go to other things than re-election. Elections cost fairly little in the grand scheme of things... it's expected that a billion dollars will be spent on the 2012 election-cycle. Lots of that comes from SuperPACS, some from regular donors, some is the candidates' personal money. A billion is nothing to the one-percent.
If you're insinuating that social programs you don't like are the culprit, well... tough crap. Social Security sounds like a terrible thing to you right now, but I don't see you sending back the checks when you're 67.
Education, infrastructure, defense, law enforcement, research, business loans, even welfare and medical benefits are all advantages American business uses EVERYDAY. You can't live on a minimum-wage job anywhere in America, yet there are a LOT of min-wage jobs. Without the govt help, there would be no economic point in working those jobs. Add all the tax breaks, subsidies, and the lucrative nature of a gov't contract, and business makes out like a BANDIT. Many of them pay ZERO taxes, on billions of dollars.
You're fighting a losing game on this. American opinion, and indeed world opinion, is turning it's back on the monied elite, rejecting Reaganomics and the politics of aristocracy as the failures they are. They aren't rioting in the streets for lower taxation on the wealthy, or fewer regulations on business.
Think about it.

[songsmith]

Look at all the names that the liberal media called Bush! I guess that was o.k. Give some take some. Plain and simple. Once again, you chose to forget.

Like what names? What did the "liberal media" call Bush? They didn't call names, they reported what he did. George Bush's adiminstration was made up of former Nixon operatives, and he got far less negative press than he deserved. They caused the Great Recession, the Great Wall Street Robbery, the Iraq War, Medicare Part D, and the list goes on and on. They should all be in jail.
I called him lots of names. I never supported him, but the Braintrust did! I stick to my guns, and don't ignore that entire 8-year era, like some here. You should be angry at what he did to conservatism, but you're such a follower, you either regurgitate media-misinformation, or pretend the whole thing never happened.

They called him Dumb, a fascist, a murderer, a war criminal, stupid, etc. They also promoted a book about killing him.

Here is a little bit of what MSNBC did: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/geoffrey-d ... ascist-if-

Once again, you chose to forget.

He IS stupid. His administration WAS fascist (suspension of habeus corpus, phone-tapping, etc.). He DID allow torture. I don't forget, I agree.
You can post newsbusters blogs all you want, it's not fact, it's opinion. Again we return to the tried-and-true observation that modern talkshow conservatism is nothing more than an inability to distinguish fact from opinion.

[f.sciarrillo]

Like what names? What did the "liberal media" call Bush? They didn't call names, they reported what he did. George Bush's adiminstration was made up of former Nixon operatives, and he got far less negative press than he deserved. They caused the Great Recession, the Great Wall Street Robbery, the Iraq War, Medicare Part D, and the list goes on and on. They should all be in jail.
I called him lots of names. I never supported him, but the Braintrust did! I stick to my guns, and don't ignore that entire 8-year era, like some here. You should be angry at what he did to conservatism, but you're such a follower, you either regurgitate media-misinformation, or pretend the whole thing never happened.

They called him Dumb, a fascist, a murderer, a war criminal, stupid, etc. They also promoted a book about killing him.

Here is a little bit of what MSNBC did: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/geoffrey-d ... ascist-if-

Once again, you chose to forget.

He IS stupid. His administration WAS fascist (suspension of habeus corpus, phone-tapping, etc.). He DID allow torture. I don't forget, I agree.
You can post newsbusters blogs all you want, it's not fact, it's opinion. Again we return to the tried-and-true observation that modern talkshow conservatism is nothing more than an inability to distinguish fact from opinion.

What else did MSNBC and Media matters tell you?

Well, What has obama done to make things better? Gas prices are at the highest annual average, Unemployment is at 8.3%. We are in record debt. We are buying more oil from foreign countries. What has he done to make things better?

You will be first in line to vote for Obama. You think Obama is doing a great job. You read Mediamatters.org and watche MSNBC, and believe everything they and the white house says.

You need to be a true independent and get your information from more than one source.

edit: I should say you need to get your information from more than one side.

[lonewolf]

Fine.

How does sending more tax money to politicians to be squandered on re-election give anything back to American society?

Well, that's the Fox-approved answer/question, but it's not accurate.

Actually, Fox only approves half of that...MSNBC approves the other half.

Every penny spent on education in the name of Termite Flatulance Studies or Defense on $80 toilet seats or enslaving half a generation of single teen mothers on subsidies or hiring more staff to tap the internet for information, or corporate welfare for oil exploration, or corporate welfare for green energy development....all of that is nothing more than constituent payola in return for support.

Except in the eyes of a big-government-loving authoritarian liberals and big-government-loving warhawk conservatives.

[f.sciarrillo]

True Unemployment is at 36%. Interesting.

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=49644

[songsmith]

The RNC has been circulating a "Pundit Prep" sheet outlining what they want the screech-owls in the wingnut media to say, and they say it. It says to
attack Obama on 1) unemployment, 2) the national debt, and 3) gas prices.
http://mediamatters.org/blog/201202200003
Jon Stewart did a monologue on it that pretty much destroys it, and the Braintrust's blind faith in Fox. Here it is on video:
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/jon-stewart- ... mber-2008/

All things that the liberals attacked Bush on. Big time. You must have forgotten that, well, you chose to forget that. As for media matters, they are nothing but a site to repute Foxnews. That is all they do. They are not a real news organization. They are ran by the largest funder of the democratic party, George Soros. So don't give me any of the crap they spew. They are more bias than MSNBC.....

Now I know where some of your sources are.

Watch the video. The source is Fox & Friends. And perhaps those were issues Bush was attacked on... but not by Fox News. And you're correct, Fox News is not a news organization, they are the propaganda wing of the Republican Party, owned and operated by foreign billionaire/soon-to-be-inmate, Rupert Murdoch. As long as Murdoch has anything to do with American politics, the name George Soros is irrelevant. If there's one, there HAS to be the other. Just because you don't like him, doesn't make one right, and the other wrong. See: difference between opinion and fact.

Oh, and Media Matters... you're not SUPPOSED to like fact-checking organizations, they cripple Fox News, with facts. They ride Fox News, because Fox News needs to be fact-checked on every sentence of every story they broadcast. If they didn't lie so much, there'd be no reason to report the lies.
Fox News... We Distort, You Deride.

[songsmith]

True Unemployment is at 36%. Interesting.

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=49644

False. If they said the true unemployment rate was 112%, you'd believe it, without actually questioning how they arrived at that. More rightwing blog-posting, eh? Wasted effort.

[Banned]

20 Economic Statistics To Use To Wake Sheeple Up From Their Entertainment-Induced Comas

http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/arch ... uced-comas

Some examples:

"#8 Right now, there are 88 million working age Americans that do not have jobs and that the government says are not looking for jobs."

"#10 In January 2009, there were 2.6 million "long-term unemployed workers" according to the federal government. Today, there are 5.6 million."

"#16 The U.S. government is stealing about 150 million dollars from our children and our grandchildren every single hour of every single day.

#17 If Bill Gates gave all of his money to the U.S. government, it would only cover the U.S. budget deficit for about 15 days.

#18 Since the Federal Reserve was created, the U.S. dollar has declined in value by more than 95 percent and the U.S. national debt has gotten more than 5000 times larger."

Wonder how the ranting delusional troll will spin this?

Notice the delusional troll ignored all these facts?

[songsmith]

20 Economic Statistics To Use To Wake Sheeple Up From Their Entertainment-Induced Comas

http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/arch ... uced-comas

Some examples:

"#8 Right now, there are 88 million working age Americans that do not have jobs and that the government says are not looking for jobs."

"#10 In January 2009, there were 2.6 million "long-term unemployed workers" according to the federal government. Today, there are 5.6 million."

"#16 The U.S. government is stealing about 150 million dollars from our children and our grandchildren every single hour of every single day.

#17 If Bill Gates gave all of his money to the U.S. government, it would only cover the U.S. budget deficit for about 15 days.

#18 Since the Federal Reserve was created, the U.S. dollar has declined in value by more than 95 percent and the U.S. national debt has gotten more than 5000 times larger."

Wonder how the ranting delusional troll will spin this?

Notice the delusional troll ignored all these facts?

Those are not facts, those are wild conjectures. They are not based upon any known statistics or widely-accepted knowledge, they are pure fiction and spun misinformation. Post something you didn't get from one of your self-validation fascism-blogs, and when you refer to me, stop using the phrase "delusional troll," because it's just silly as fuck when posited by a delusional troll.
You define nothing. You're simply angry and frustrated because I keep the whole bunch of you at bay, with very little effort. It's quite easy, because you, in particular, have chosen to follow the furthest path from sanity, and have squandered any respect people might have mistakenly given you on wild conspiracies and homo-erotic hero-worship.