THE POLITICAL ARENA!!! Political Gladiators Inside!!

[songsmith]

Help what?

That horrible, Satanic DEBT! Duh.

Ah, I see. That's why the deficit increases more than 20% year over year with the President's budget. Makes perfect sense. Increase taxes and the deficit explodes. Could it be that anytime a politician raises taxes, he has every intent to spend them and more?.

It worked for Reagan, right? And if we decrease taxes, the deficit disappears? How's that working for you so far, with the low, low taxes paid now? Yeah... right.

It would also help prevent future investment bubbles, as easy money is easier to risk.

Nonsense. Show me one legit investment expert who espouses this. Bubbles create easy money when smart money pulls out right before the bubble bursts. Ever hear of a pump & dump? A bubble is nothing more that a pump & dump on a mass scale.

Greed, fearlessness, ignorance and government encouragement cause bubbles. Smart money just loves big new government programs to exploit.

I couldn't show you a "legit investment expert" because you're the only one who exists, apparently. We both know how this works, I do the research and you poke holes in it using your super-powers. No chance. It's not even necessary... high salaries plus low taxes plus market manipulation equals easy money, which then gets invested in riskier investments. Higher taxes makes investment capital tougher to acquire and pump into risky ventures, forcing smarter investment.
Government encouragement, lol. Pure fantasy.

It would also help working Americans feel better about the gulf between them and the uber-wealthy, and show some fairness of treatment.

Ah, so raising taxes is "feelgood" legislation. Well, alrighty then! I'm glad to see a proponent finally admit to that.

Yes. It feels GOOD when everyone is treated fairly. Good to see you finally understand "fairness."

In addition, it would prove the hysterics of the rightwing regarding the relationship between taxation and unemployment are completely baseless.

Correct! Business cycles, demographics, productivity and GDP, all watered with uncertainty, is more closely correlated to unemployment.

Also really great to see you admit that taxation of the executive class and corporations has little to do with why they aren't hiring American workers. It's a spurious argument perpetrated by the people who benefit the most from government. You've come a long way, I'm really proud of you!

[lonewolf]

I couldn't show you a "legit investment expert" because you're the only one who exists, apparently. We both know how this works, I do the research and you poke holes in it using your super-powers. No chance. It's not even necessary... high salaries plus low taxes plus market manipulation equals easy money, which then gets invested in riskier investments. Higher taxes makes investment capital tougher to acquire and pump into risky ventures, forcing smarter investment.
Government encouragement, lol. Pure fantasy.

High salaries? Low taxes? Now that's funny--apparently only one of us knows how this works.

The people who manipulate markets don't use salary money. ROFLMAO! Thats what the people with the vaseline on the short end use. Smart money traders have access to huge piles of capital whether taxes are high, low or indifferent.

Traders profiting from pump & dumps and bubbles are almost always in and out of their security(ies) in well under a year. In case you didn't know, that doesn't qualify for the 15% rate--you have to hold the asset for at least a year. In that case, we have to pay the full rate of whatever tax bracket we end up in. Of course, when you get a double or triple or even a 10-bagger, who cares about taxes?

[Hawk]

What can anyone tell me about Alex Jones. A friend told me about him and follows him closely. I never heard of him before.

I did see Johnny mention him once in a negative way, but what's the Alex Jones story ?

[Banned]

After decades of Democrat control....

http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/arch ... of-detroit

[songsmith]

Alex Jones: Radio shock-show host. Used to be crazy liberal, now crazy conservative... he's an opportunist, opposing whatever side he feels is in charge. It's all very theatrical, the main point is to shock. It appeals to conspiracy theorists, so he runs with that... He's all about Infowars, and the idea that the government orchestrated 9/11 in an attempt to establish the New World Order. Of course, he'll jump on whatever conspiracy is hot this week, and wildly tie it all together.
He's only dangerous in that he never tells the punchline to the joke. It appeals to the paranoids, and inflaming paranoid fantasies is seldom a good idea. I think eventually, one of his fans will flame out and hurt someone, and upset his apple-cart, or someone will notice that 9/11 happened over 10 years ago, and still no Beckpocalypse. He'll just say, "Hey, I'm just an entertainer," and stick to his website, like Beck.
Overall, he's a minor player, except that when someone references him, it instantly categorizes them.

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"if you take our deficit spending under Obama and divide it evenly among the roughly 300 million American citizens, that works out to just over $17,000 per person — or about $70,000 for a family of four."

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/pai ... 29745.html

Could you just imagine what another 4 years will do? And he wouldn't have to worry about re-election. Will this country ever recover from the Obamination?

[songsmith]

Obama's trip to India cost 200 MILLION DOLLARS A DAY!:

http://lonelyconservative.com/2010/11/o ... n-per-day/


Oh no, wait. Totally false. But blogs are still the best place to get your numbers.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/india.asp

http://www.factcheck.org/2010/11/ask-fa ... -to-mumbai

But Fox News reported it anyway (all Fox links to the story have been long-removed, but the evidence remains):

http://mediamatters.org/blog/201011050056

Rush, Drudge, Hannity, Beck, WorldNet... pretty much everybody piled on:

http://mediamatters.org/research/201011050024

Was it even close to being the truth? Of course not... but that never stopped the machine.
Go peddle your blog-links somewhere else.

[Banned]

Obama's trip to India cost 200 MILLION DOLLARS A DAY!:

http://lonelyconservative.com/2010/11/o ... n-per-day/


Oh no, wait. Totally false. But blogs are still the best place to get your numbers.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/india.asp

http://www.factcheck.org/2010/11/ask-fa ... -to-mumbai

But Fox News reported it anyway (all Fox links to the story have been long-removed, but the evidence remains):

http://mediamatters.org/blog/201011050056

Rush, Drudge, Hannity, Beck, WorldNet... pretty much everybody piled on:

http://mediamatters.org/research/201011050024

Was it even close to being the truth? Of course not... but that never stopped the machine.
Go peddle your blog-links somewhere else.

But of course liberal idiots think MSNBC and CNN and CNBC and ABC and CBS and Time and Newsweek....are all perfectly neutral sources. Fuck you asswipe.

[f.sciarrillo]

Yup, liberals are always saying about Fox, but never see the error of MSNBC. Yawn!

Mosts problem is that they listens to what MSNBC, ABC, NBC, and CBS says, nd think that they are facts. Everyone else knows how bias they all are, and how big of liars they are.

[songsmith]

Fuck you asswipe.

I think we all know that's your endgame. It's never gonna happen, joe. First of all, I'm straight. Secondly, you're nuts. Third, if I was gay, you'd still be the bottom.
Valentine's sucks when you're alone. I'm flattered, but you're just in a vulnerable place right now. Don't worry, someday the right guy is gonna come along and sweep you off your feet.

[songsmith]

Yup, liberals are always saying about Fox, but never see the error of MSNBC. Yawn!

Mosts problem is that they listens to what MSNBC, ABC, NBC, and CBS says, nd think that they are facts. Everyone else knows how bias they all are, and how big of liars they are.

Okay, I'll bite. Here are some Fox News personalities. Pick the network outlet of your choosing, and tell me who their "lamestream" counterparts are:

Sean Hannity

Bill O'Reilly

Gretchen Carllson

Sarah Palin

Mike Huckabee

Newt Gingrich

Greta Van Susteren

Dick Morris

Megan Kelly

John Stossel

Juan Williams

Andrew Napolitano

Geraldo Rivera


There, that ought to get you started. I'm going to warn you, I want to see the counterparts being as partisan and bigoted and confrontational as Foxers are. I want to see direct evidence of bias, not "He never blamed Obama!" I hope you understand that... no indictments because the reporter doesn't share YOUR bias, I want to see at least as much evidence of outright manipulation and lies as Fox News. Pick any single network, and go to town.
When you're done, I'll do the same thing with Fox News.

[Banned]

Little johnny fucksmith thinks only Fox news is biased. Is there a more brainwashed person on the planet?



Sorry stumpy, as much as you want it, you would never be my type, I am repulsed at the thought of pedophilia. If you wish real hard, your testicles might drop some year.

[lonewolf]

FOX............................MSNBC

Sean Hannity................Ed Schultz

Bill O'Reilly....................Lawrence O'Donnell

Gretchen Carllson.........Meka Brzezinski

Sarah Palin...................Rachel Maddow

Mike Huckabee.................Al Sharpton

Newt Gingrich................Ed Rendell (Gingrich resigned for GOP primary)

Greta Van Susteren.........Willie Geist

Dick Morris......................Howard Dean

Megyn Kelly.......................Andrea Mitchell

John Stossel......................Chris Matthews

Juan Williams....................Michael Steele

Andrew Napolitano............Dylan Ratigan

Geraldo Rivera...................Martin Bashir

Extra Credit:

Alan Colmes........................Joe Scarborough

Eugene Robinson takes honorable mention in case somebody isn't liberal enough.

I guess Ed Rendell would match up well with Palin - ex-governers
Same with Rachel Maddow & Greta Van Susterin - well....you get the idea

Also, O'Reilly & Ratigan are only mildly biased, but i couldn't resist the O's...if you swap their counterparts, they match up better

[f.sciarrillo]

What Jeff said, Johnny. And let me add that you do watch liberal stations and believe everything they say. They are all biased, you just don't see it because you agree with, and believe, everything they say.

I would say that Rachel Maddow is trying to be more like Greta than anyone. Although her ratings are in the tank and they won't allow her in DC. O'donnel, from what I heard, is being canceled and Ed Shultz is taking his place.

As for biased info from MSNBC, every time they open their mouth, they are biased. MSNBC is a megaphone for the left and they don't hide it. Look at it this way, how many so called journalists on MSNBC were suspended or fined for donating to the democratic party, and name a time they have a republican on the station, and name one conservative on the station? I bet you can't. And don't say Joe Scarborough, you know just as well as I do that he isn't.

I don't watch fox news that much anymore, I watch CNN more than any of them. But at least fox has Republicans, democrats, libertarians, independents, etc, on all the time. MSNBC only has democrats and other major liberals on. There is a reason why their ratings suck. Then suckers like you believe everything they say.

[songsmith]

Little johnny fucksmith thinks only Fox news is biased. Is there a more brainwashed person on the planet?



Sorry stumpy, as much as you want it, you would never be my type, I am repulsed at the thought of pedophilia. If you wish real hard, your testicles might drop some year.

Never said only Faux news is biased, I made a point that Fox is MORE biased, which they are, but I'll post on that tomorrow. YOU just heard what you want to hear, as always.
Now, did Little Johnny F**ksmith touch a gay-nerve? Good! Now stop hitting on me, and go away. Being gay is okay. Being an insane douche-wrapper bully isn't.

[Banned]

Now, did Little Johnny F**ksmith touch a gay-nerve?

No, just trying to avoid yours. Jeez, are you creepy.

[Banned]

Under Obama, Price of Gas Has Jumped 83 Percent, Ground Beef 24 Percent, Bacon 22 Percent

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/under-o ... 22-percent

This guy really helped the poor.

[lonewolf]

Under Obama, Price of Gas Has Jumped 83 Percent, Ground Beef 24 Percent, Bacon 22 Percent

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/under-o ... 22-percent

This guy really helped the poor.

Obama must be another big oil man. He's letting the oil companies gouge us just like George Bush did.

[f.sciarrillo]

Things are worse with Obama than they were with Bush. Well, maybe the best phrase is that things aren't any better with Obama. So why aren't all the media calling for his head. You know, MSNBC; CBS; NBC; ABC; and PBS. All the ones that Johnny says aren't bias. I know, do you? And Obama claims to deserve another term, [sarcasm] sure he does. [/sarcasm]

I can guarantee that if a republican was in office, all the media would be trying to crucify him right now. There is such a double standard that it makes your head swim.

[Banned]

Halftime in America commercial parody:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... j_8qCbHsUA

[f.sciarrillo]

Joe, that is brutal.

[songsmith]

Under Obama, Price of Gas Has Jumped 83 Percent, Ground Beef 24 Percent, Bacon 22 Percent

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/under-o ... 22-percent

This guy really helped the poor.

Obama must be another big oil man. He's letting the oil companies gouge us just like George Bush did.

That one's actually very simple:
Bush WAS a Texas oilman, and there is no denying he had his "pet" industries, who supported his campaigns... Petroleum, obviously... Big Pharma... and banking. All got MAJOR tax breaks, lax oversight, and piles and piles of taxpayer cash. Bush is out, but those favored industries still have all the advantages in place. The right won't let Big Bad O take them away, so... they screw us. Thanks, rightwingers!
Gas prices are not a result of a pristine free-market. Demand is most definitely down, yet the price goes up. Also, the price of crude we're using now was set many months ago, yet any little blip of weather or world events drives the price up immediately, and for months. The petroleum industry is still being allowed to manipulate their market, just like they did in 2008, when the Bush Administration allowed the price of gasoline to nearly triple. Classic example of blame-shifting.
The prices of beef and bacon are up because large corporations control their markets as well. If 50,000 farmers competed, that's a lot of competition... when 3 or 4 multi-nationals "compete," (and collude), that's not competition at all. Big Bad O doesn't set pork prices, isn't that exactly what you said about Bush and oil?

[f.sciarrillo]

Nice explanation, Johnny. But I'm not buying it. The liberal media is making up excuses for Obama. You know very well that if a republican was in office right now, the leftwingers would be calling for his head. I can guarantee that if a republican does beat Obama this year, you will see them going for his head over the prices of gas and oil within six months. I actually give it less than three, but am being fare.

You don't hear a peep out of the liberal media about it now, but as soon as a republican gets in there they will be having their daily price checks and daily whitch huts again. Why? Because they are all a bunch of hypocrites.

[songsmith]

Things are worse with Obama than they were with Bush. Well, maybe the best phrase is that things aren't any better with Obama. So why aren't all the media calling for his head. You know, MSNBC; CBS; NBC; ABC; and PBS. All the ones that Johnny says aren't bias. I know, do you? And Obama claims to deserve another term, [sarcasm] sure he does. [/sarcasm]

I can guarantee that if a republican was in office, all the media would be trying to crucify him right now. There is such a double standard that it makes your head swim.

First, I never said those media outlets aren't biased. I said Fox News was VERY biased, and that's pretty plain to see. Fox is biased because you want to hear bias, not the truth. You want someone to tell you (over and over) that you are part of a group who is better, more moral, smarter, more successful, and that YOU ARE ENTITLED TO MORE. It's utter bull, though, and they make oodles of money telling you that. As competition within the media has increased since the Telecommunications Act, they need to polarize their followers. Corporate media thrives on devoted listeners, and devotion is most extreme among extremists. In the end, only the ones who can stand the nuts are left in the conversation, much like this thread. Fox needs to appeal to those nuts, by telling them EXACTLY what they want to hear, and the nuts pay them handsomely.
MSNBC is nothing more than a reaction to Fox News, and their existence confirms a dearth of overall media bias: if CBS, NBC, PBS, etc. were as biased as you claim, there would be no need for MSNBC.
Again, most of what you perceive as "bias" is actually a lack of bias... rightwing bias. The talkshows spend an inordinate amount of time telling you that they're the only place to get "the truth." maybe instead of seeking "the truth," time is better spent seeking the reality.
BTW, Frank, kudos on matching the Foxers to their MSNBC counterparts, it was actually a pretty fair assessment, and I tend to agree with how you matched them. Fox does have more politicians on payroll, though, from ex-governors to judges. If politicians are all evil, why employ them?

[songsmith]

Nice explanation, Johnny. But I'm not buying it. The liberal media is making up excuses for Obama. You know very well that if a republican was in office right now, the leftwingers would be calling for his head. I can guarantee that if a republican does beat Obama this year, you will see them going for his head over the prices of gas and oil within six months. I actually give it less than three, but am being fare.

You don't hear a peep out of the liberal media about it now, but as soon as a republican gets in there they will be having their daily price checks and daily whitch huts again. Why? Because they are all a bunch of hypocrites.

If you don't see criticism of Obama in the media, you're not looking at media. He's villified constantly on the right, and the center-media LOVES leading with how bad the economy is. In fact, the only reason I ever post anything otherwise, is because the nimnuls here hate any Obama success with the heat of a thousand suns. That's part of the whole "I hope he fails" attitude that started when America turned it's back on the Republican party due to Bush. It's the real reason for the Tea Party, angry sour grapes at extremism being dealt such a huge defeat, not "big government." Government was just the right size when the Patriot Act went into effect, when Iraq happened, and when gasoline was $4.39 a gallon. We were treasonous to suggest otherwise.
And not to worry. A Republican will not beat Obama. Ask the committee to re-elect Obama: Mitt Romney, Rick Santorum, Ron Paul, Newt Gingrich, Michele Bachmann, Sarah Palin, Herman Cain, Don Trump, etc. They're the best campaigners Obama ever had!