THE POLITICAL ARENA!!! Political Gladiators Inside!!

[Banned]

Does anyone else owe you something? You think you are special and you deserve something from everyone, right?



And you claim you are not a socialist? You are the whiniest, grabbiest, greediest, envious and neediest person I have ever come across or read about.

Except instead of working yourself for your wants, you just expect to get and steal from others. Having a government steal from others and give to you almost satisfies your base needs as much as doing it yourself. You would have to have some balls to try and take things from others on your own. No wonder you love a socialist, authoritarian government.

No wonder Ron Paul scares the shit out of you as well at those in control of this corrupt government.

[Banned]

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/jon ... 20781.html

"Corzine, of course, has most recently been in the news for being on the wrong side of a $6.3 billion bet as head of MF Global. "MF Global filed for bankruptcy on October 31, after $6.3 billion in risky bets on European sovereign debt spooked investors and an effort to sell the company failed," Reuters reported. "Investigators are searching for as much as $1.2 billion in missing customer money, which regulators said the company may have diverted for its own needs."

They can't find the money....he gave it to NObama!

[Hawk]

Does anyone else owe you something? You think you are special and you deserve something from everyone, right?



And you claim you are not a socialist? You are the whiniest, grabbiest, greediest, envious and neediest person I have ever come across or read about.

Except instead of working yourself for your wants, you just expect to get and steal from others. Having a government steal from others and give to you almost satisfies your base needs as much as doing it yourself. You would have to have some balls to try and take things from others on your own. No wonder you love a socialist, authoritarian government.

No wonder Ron Paul scares the shit out of you as well at those in control of this corrupt government.

The interesting thing to me is what songsmith espouses is parallel to every major religion's morality to take care of the poorest among us.

While Joe espouses a strict Darwinian system of "dog eat dog" in a modern American society, and is confused (understatement) as to why the rest of America doesn't walk in lock step with him.

Yet Joe seems to not recognise the immorality of "only the fittest survive". As is preached by the likes of Ann Rand.

Joe has a problem with 47% of Americans because they pay no federal taxes (they do pay other taxes) and does not believe he is involved in class warfare. I am appalled that 47% of Americans don't pay federal taxes because that means they are not paid well enough to do so, while at the exact same moments of a developing American history, the top % are increasing their profits (yes, the current economy is doing GREAT for them, why would they want to change anything) are increasing at a rate as never seen before. And Joe sees my point as class warfare. I see it as immorality that goes against grain of religious morality.

Joe's naivety believes that charitable contributions would be enough to satisfy any needs of the poor and all American people, rather than a structure (government - people elected in a democracy to represent all of us) to accommodate the necessary elements to protect us, from foreign intruders AND from each other.

Are there lazy people out there that ONLY want hand outs ? Yes. Are there people out there who would love to work for a decent wage that a family can be raised with. Overwhelmingly yes ! Would the top % get richer if they make jobs harder to find, destroy unions, and get wages lowered across the (monopoly) board. Sadly, yes...It's happening RIGHT NOW.

Is our government perfect ? As perfect as man himself, so no.

Would a free economy via Libertarianism be perfect ? As perfect as man himself, so no.

Would the best system be one of checks and balance between the capitalistic economy and the people via an elected representative government, that's probably the best compromise. Perfect? There is no "perfect" social system and there is no perfect economic system. IMHO...

[songsmith]

Does anyone else owe you something? You think you are special and you deserve something from everyone, right?



And you claim you are not a socialist? You are the whiniest, grabbiest, greediest, envious and neediest person I have ever come across or read about.

Except instead of working yourself for your wants, you just expect to get and steal from others. Having a government steal from others and give to you almost satisfies your base needs as much as doing it yourself. You would have to have some balls to try and take things from others on your own. No wonder you love a socialist, authoritarian government.

No wonder Ron Paul scares the shit out of you as well at those in control of this corrupt government.

What the fuck are you talking about joey? Do you REALLY want to "go there," Mr. I-Am-The-Authority? What do I OWE YOU, dick-pimple? I just pulled off your arm and beat you with it, and you're doing your whack-a-mole game, as usual. "Okay, you made some excellent points, Johnny, and I can't respond to them because I'm nuts... so you're a socialist." I guess that makes perfect sense.
Okay, pay attention, best as you can with your mental problems:
1) How does not supporting the elite class make me whiny, grabby, greedy, etc? Do I OWE them respect for fucking you and me? I think you just LIKE the idea that you are a one-percenter, and NEWS FLASH: You're an unemployed goober, you're NEVER going to be in the top 50% of wage-earners, much less the top 1%. You have no drive, little intelligence, and you're completely, profoundly, and irrevocably BROKEN.
2) The big terrible government that issues your unemployment checks isn't giving me anything they're not giving YOU, Joseph Chibirka. You haven't a clue how much money I actually make, or what taxes I pay, and that's the truth. You can make shit up (you always do), but nobody really pays attention, because YOUR issues make you really unworthy of being taken seriously. That's cruel to say, but cruelty means nothing to a bully.
3) I am not afraid of your spooge-target, RoPaul, and completely unafraid of YOU. What reason could I have for being afraid of someone who is UNELECTABLE? That's just the folly of the stupid, the idea that I fear something because I don't agree with it. I'm not afraid, or intimidated, or sad, or anxious. Ron Paul can't get elected, and that makes you very angry and frustrated, as you have just demonstrated to perfection.
4) You never seem to understand that I ENJOY DOING THIS. OWNING you is fun. I am not going away.
I suggest you do, Trolly Trollerson. Nobody's left to buy what you're selling.

[lonewolf]

Does anyone else owe you something? You think you are special and you deserve something from everyone, right?



And you claim you are not a socialist? You are the whiniest, grabbiest, greediest, envious and neediest person I have ever come across or read about.

Except instead of working yourself for your wants, you just expect to get and steal from others. Having a government steal from others and give to you almost satisfies your base needs as much as doing it yourself. You would have to have some balls to try and take things from others on your own. No wonder you love a socialist, authoritarian government.

No wonder Ron Paul scares the shit out of you as well at those in control of this corrupt government.

The interesting thing to me is what songsmith espouses is parallel to every major religion's morality to take care of the poorest among us.

OK, so what happened to the big liberal mantra of separation of church and state? Inconvenient?

Besides, it is clear that the federal and the several states' constitutions make it the responsibility of the states to take care of the poor. The federal government to this day is prohibited from making enforceable laws for or directly managing these programs. That is why---as you have pointed out---it is the state employees who manage and disburse welfare and medicaid.

All the federal government does is collect taxes, skim their take off the top and redistribute funds back to the state welfare offices. In order to make it seem like a really good deal for the states, they borrow more than they take in and distribute the borrowed funds as well. Tic, tic, tic, tic...

To keep the states under their thumb, they make rules (not laws--they are prohibited from making laws regarding "general welfare") and threaten to withhold funds from the states that do not follow their rules.

Its an extremely inefficient and wasteful way to run things. This kind of process is why the federal government is slowly but surely going bankrupt.

[Banned]

johnny, how are you not green? You have envy of everyone who has more than you.

Not one person in this universe owes me anything. I do not expect anything from anyone.

You think anyone who has more than you owes you something.

Sad.

[songsmith]

OK, so what happened to the big liberal mantra of separation of church and state? Inconvenient?

.

I am neither church, nor state. Hawk is asserting only that I advocate what Christianity supposedly advocates: Taking care of the least among you. This is a fairly obvious example of hypocrisy on the part of the modern rightwing... we are supposed to be a Christian nation according to them (they force it whenever possible), but we are not supposed to be Christ-like. It's mere do-what-I-say-not-what-I-do claptrap, and it's just one more symptom of a partisan media convincing a spongey-headed target group. It's not an accident that Fox News uses many techniques pioneered by traveling evangelists and televangelism.
Today we had Willard Mitt reveal that he doesn't care about the very poor, while attempting to say that he doesn't care about the very rich.
Not surprising, mind you, but it reinforces what modern conservatism is all about... a group of elites exploiting the underclass, and the elites' ability to continue doing that, under the guise of "morality," and "values."
Incidentally. Willard spent the rest of the day measuring the drapes in the Oval Office.

[songsmith]

johnny, how are you not green? You have envy of everyone who has more than you.

Not one person in this universe owes me anything. I do not expect anything from anyone.

You think anyone who has more than you owes you something.

Sad.

FALSE. We all owe you THE AUTHORITY. The ability to make all the definitions. You expect me personally to give-give-give to the "better" class, and they will trickle down everything I will ever need, but only if I'm worthy. Oh, you also get to decide who's worthy, and you have decided I'm not worthy. We OWE you, buddy.
Well, regarding what I owe you... check's in the mail. Don't hold your breath.
That idea that I somehow envy people who f**k other people for money? That's YOU, Skippy. YOU identify with the 1%, not me. I live a life you could only dream of, and I'll point out that I work a job, and you don't. That's not even close to being my only income stream. I have all I need, and neither you, nor anyone else, has ever heard me complain about not having enough. That's not even sort of true. I want things to be FAIR, and you don't. It really is just that simple, but it's still over your head. If bullies cared about people hurting, they wouldn't be bullies, BULLY.

[songsmith]

RoPaul's SuperPAC "couldn't get credit-card info on time," so they're just not going to disclose their soft-money donors according to the law:

http://openchannel.msnbc.msn.com/_news/ ... rd-company

[lonewolf]

OK, so what happened to the big liberal mantra of separation of church and state? Inconvenient?

.

I am neither church, nor state. Hawk is asserting only that I advocate what Christianity supposedly advocates: Taking care of the least among you. This is a fairly obvious example of hypocrisy on the part of the modern rightwing... we are supposed to be a Christian nation according to them (they force it whenever possible), but we are not supposed to be Christ-like.

I'll go for a "Christ-like" government when they start performing some "Christ-like" miracles. Meanwhile, I'll stick to the constitutions in this country which state that poverty is an issue for state and local governments.

[Banned]

You expect me personally to give-give-give to the "better" class, and they will trickle down everything I will ever need,

You expect me and everyone else to give-give-give to this bloated, corrupt government and they will take care of everything anyone will ever need.


Funny how that works.

Oh, I expect you to give to someone in a better class like a Steve Jobs only if you buy one of his products or services. Otherwise why would I expect you to give something to him, or have anything to do with him? Where do you come up with this nonsense?

[f.sciarrillo]

Donald Trump is making a major announcement tomorrow. I wonder what it will be? An endorsement? Putting his hat in the race? Look out, it is coming. Ohhhh Ahhhhh ...

[f.sciarrillo]

House passes bill to ban use of welfare funds for strip clubs, casinos and alcohol. All they have to do now is ban the purchase of cigarettes and cruises.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/02 ... z1lEHQBPte

Huffington Post Article: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/0 ... 46867.html

There is nothing on CNN, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, ABC or PBS about it.

The vote was 395 to 26. I like bipartisan support.

[songsmith]

Nice jobs bill! Keep up the great work, US house, jobs for everyone! YAY!!!
Excellent use of "big government!!" Now let's outline what the wealthy do with money they get from the govt, and control that, too.

[f.sciarrillo]

Donald Trump is making his big announcement at 3:30 eastern. Be sure to listen to it. It should be good

[f.sciarrillo]

Trump is endorsing Mitt Romney. I bet Romney is excited to know that. I mean, Trumps endorsement is a guaranteed White House win. At least, Trump thinks so.

[Banned]

Economic recovery?????

http://www.prisonplanet.com/the-real-ec ... cture.html

[f.sciarrillo]

The Donald has spoken. He endorsed Mitt Romney.

[songsmith]

Economic recovery?????

http://www.prisonplanet.com/the-real-ec ... cture.html

I learned alot. About Alex Jones, Infowars (9/11 was an inside job), former Reagan Administration bureaucrats' cherry-picking of obscure data, nutritional supplements, and a great deal about where your information comes from. No wonder joe is so... joe.

[Hawk]

Does anyone else owe you something? You think you are special and you deserve something from everyone, right?



And you claim you are not a socialist? You are the whiniest, grabbiest, greediest, envious and neediest person I have ever come across or read about.

Except instead of working yourself for your wants, you just expect to get and steal from others. Having a government steal from others and give to you almost satisfies your base needs as much as doing it yourself. You would have to have some balls to try and take things from others on your own. No wonder you love a socialist, authoritarian government.

No wonder Ron Paul scares the shit out of you as well at those in control of this corrupt government.

The interesting thing to me is what songsmith espouses is parallel to every major religion's morality to take care of the poorest among us.

OK, so what happened to the big liberal mantra of separation of church and state? Inconvenient?

Besides, it is clear that the federal and the several states' constitutions make it the responsibility of the states to take care of the poor. The federal government to this day is prohibited from making enforceable laws for or directly managing these programs. That is why---as you have pointed out---it is the state employees who manage and disburse welfare and medicaid.

All the federal government does is collect taxes, skim their take off the top and redistribute funds back to the state welfare offices. In order to make it seem like a really good deal for the states, they borrow more than they take in and distribute the borrowed funds as well. Tic, tic, tic, tic...

To keep the states under their thumb, they make rules (not laws--they are prohibited from making laws regarding "general welfare") and threaten to withhold funds from the states that do not follow their rules.

Its an extremely inefficient and wasteful way to run things. This kind of process is why the federal government is slowly but surely going bankrupt.

I don't box you in with all conservatives, don't box me in with all liberals. There are many church going liberals, even if Fox would have you believe otherwise.

I am against the government choosing any one religion over another. So were the founding fathers. I am against the separation of church (i.e. God) from the government. So were the founding fathers as seen in their oft mention of God.

Johnny got it and I'm sure you did too. Johnny's views have a foundation in morality, like many religions, whereas the conservatives have a foundation of money. And where is the morality in money ? Greed... Most of you are angry that you never have enough. You cry about paying taxes. You whine that 47% don't pay federal taxes ( class warfare ). The top% pay a lower rate and they still whine they pay too much. Every conservative theory has to do with how much more money they want.

Greed fuels most conservatives. Morality fuels most (bleeding heart) liberals.

Abortion ? Just a great fund raising tool for conservatives.

[lonewolf]

The interesting thing to me is what songsmith espouses is parallel to every major religion's morality to take care of the poorest among us.

OK, so what happened to the big liberal mantra of separation of church and state? Inconvenient?

Besides, it is clear that the federal and the several states' constitutions make it the responsibility of the states to take care of the poor. The federal government to this day is prohibited from making enforceable laws for or directly managing these programs. That is why---as you have pointed out---it is the state employees who manage and disburse welfare and medicaid.

All the federal government does is collect taxes, skim their take off the top and redistribute funds back to the state welfare offices. In order to make it seem like a really good deal for the states, they borrow more than they take in and distribute the borrowed funds as well. Tic, tic, tic, tic...

To keep the states under their thumb, they make rules (not laws--they are prohibited from making laws regarding "general welfare") and threaten to withhold funds from the states that do not follow their rules.

Its an extremely inefficient and wasteful way to run things. This kind of process is why the federal government is slowly but surely going bankrupt.

I don't box you in with all conservatives, don't box me in with all liberals. There are many church going liberals, even if Fox would have you believe otherwise.

I am against the government choosing any one religion over another. So were the founding fathers. I am against the separation of church (i.e. God) from the government. So were the founding fathers as seen in their oft mention of God.

Johnny got it and I'm sure you did too. Johnny's views have a foundation in morality, like many religions, whereas the conservatives have a foundation of money. And where is the morality in money ? Greed... Most of you are angry that you never have enough. You cry about paying taxes. You whine that 47% don't pay federal taxes ( class warfare ). The top% pay a lower rate and they still whine they pay too much. Every conservative theory has to do with how much more money they want.

Greed fuels most conservatives. Morality fuels most (bleeding heart) liberals.

Abortion ? Just a great fund raising tool for conservatives.

Ah, but if you re-read my post, you'll see that I propose that the poor are taken care of according to the laws of the land, not by a circumvention of the Constitution.

As I told Johnny, when I see the feds do some "Christ-like" miracles, I'll go for a "Christ-like" federal government. There is nothing "Christ-like" about anything the feds do and that means ESPECIALLY programs for the poor.

[lonewolf]

I don't box you in with all conservatives, don't box me in with all liberals. There are many church going liberals, even if Fox would have you believe otherwise.

If there is an antithesis to a libertarian, it would probably be a fiscal neo-liberal who is also a social neo-conservative. This has been labelled as "statist" and "authoritarian populist" among other things.

If you like, I can refer to your political persuasion as statist.

[Don Hughes]

Giving the shirt off your back is a very Libertarian thing to do. Libertarians want Americans to keep more of their hard earned money and be charitable to those in need.

Socialists want a huge, bloated, corrupt government to steal the property of its citizens and then they will return a very small amount to those whom they decide are jumping the the hoops they set up.

Bill, are you turning Libertarian?

Actually, regardless of Libertarian, Socialist, right wing, left wing, whatever, I would like to think that it's simply a good thing to do, not politically charged.

[Banned]

Record 1.2 Million People Fall Out Of Labor Force In One Month, Labor Force Participation Rate Tumbles To Fresh 30 Year Low

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/record-12 ... e-tumbles-

"Which means that the civilian labor force tumbled to a fresh 30 year low of 63.7% as the BLS is seriously planning on eliminating nearly half of the available labor pool from the unemployment calculation. As for the quality of jobs, as withholding taxes roll over Year over year, it can only mean that the US is replacing high paying FIRE jobs with low paying construction and manufacturing. So much for the improvement."

[Hawk]

Record 1.2 Million People Fall Out Of Labor Force In One Month, Labor Force Participation Rate Tumbles To Fresh 30 Year Low

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/record-12 ... e-tumbles-

"Which means that the civilian labor force tumbled to a fresh 30 year low of 63.7% as the BLS is seriously planning on eliminating nearly half of the available labor pool from the unemployment calculation. As for the quality of jobs, as withholding taxes roll over Year over year, it can only mean that the US is replacing high paying FIRE jobs with low paying construction and manufacturing. So much for the improvement."

Exactly what the top 1 percenters want (while hoarding trillions of dollars while their economy is GREAT as they have RECORD PROFITS and NOT creating jobs while trying to destroy unions while whining about paying too much tax even though their rates are half of some middle class people and laughing loudly at people like joe who have been fooled into do their bidding) so that they can cause wages to decline so they can garner more power and more money.

How's that for a run on sentence ?