THE POLITICAL ARENA!!! Political Gladiators Inside!!

[Banned]

The communist does not like me. Of course I consider that a badge of honor. He ranted and raved on here with his socialist drivel and lies for a long time. Now he gets called on it and proved wrong all the time. He does not like that. Too bad.

When Lonewolf tells him his rants are incomprehensible, he just foams at his little commie mouth. Too bad, grow up.

He has been attacking posters who disagree with his socialism for a long time. When someone turned the tables and did the same to him, he cries like a baby.

You're a nasty little liar. Accept it.

[shredder138]

Well, you both realize the majority of the craziness comes from one source. That one source gets backed into a corner by his own tenuous grip on reality, and lashes out at the people who tolerate him. He was basically harmless until he tried to poison an old friendship with one of the mods of this board, and now he's involved in taking the Hawk out of The Hawks.
I just absolutely REFUSE to back down from him, and it works. He gets personal, I get personal. Bullies only respond to bullying, and I'm not even a little intimidated by his psychoses. A troll is just a troll, and he long ago squandered what respect he is due. Metalrules got ridden out of here on a rail. Aja. The Reason. Nosurrender. Several others. Rockpage puts up with him because he goes to gigs, and nothing more. I say "enough."
As contentious as things get with Lonewolf, he and I still see eye-to-eye on many things, he's a musician. Same with fsciarillo, onegun, Rob The Drummer, and whitedevilone. I can have an everyday conversation with them in real-life. Not UC. He expects me, and everyone else, to step off at his command.
Not. Gonna. Happen.
The political thread is a microcosm of political thought in America. There are those who feel that only THEY have the authority to define every nuance of society. FUCK Authority. Telling me how I have to think and what I have to do for you gets you NOTHING, except maybe my middle-finger. I'm especially going to vehemently deny any power to crazy people, and that is why we're discussing this right now. Boot the bad-guy, and watch the tenor of this thread go mellow immediately.

Well said!
Fuck ucj.

[shredder138]

He has been attacking posters who disagree with his libertarianism for a long time. When someone turned the tables and did the same to him, he cries like a baby.

You're a nasty little liar. Accept it.

Changed one word and that describes you to a t. Now kindly go and fuck yourself as that would probably be the only fuck you'll ever get. Fuck nozzle.

[songsmith]

The communist does not like me. Of course I consider that a badge of honor. He ranted and raved on here with his socialist drivel and lies for a long time. Now he gets called on it and proved wrong all the time. He does not like that. Too bad.

When Lonewolf tells him his rants are incomprehensible, he just foams at his little commie mouth. Too bad, grow up.

He has been attacking posters who disagree with his socialism for a long time. When someone turned the tables and did the same to him, he cries like a baby.

You're a nasty little liar. Accept it.

See? Anyone who doesn't immediately drop to their knees for your imagined greatness is a "communist" or a "socialist" or a Marxist,"... all words you hear on the radio and know they're bad, but beyond that, you have no clue. I haven't lied about you or anything else. You're a baby. A big puss-boy baby. My posts are only "incomprehensible" when chugnuts can't respond to them. When you can't post something in rebuttal, you attack, out of sheer frustration, and your frustration is like money to me. I spend it like capital, wave it under your nose, then throw it away because I'll get some more tomorrow. I don't even have to put much effort into it, because you are basically nuts.
You need to get the hell off Rockpage. You're toxic to every group of people you're ever a part of. This thread is proof. Your life is proof.
If I get bounced off Rockpage in the course of getting YOU bounced, it would be totally worth it to me, as long as the end result is you being gone. You've got to go.

Edited for clarity.

[Banned]

He has been attacking posters who disagree with his libertarianism for a long time. When someone turned the tables and did the same to him, he cries like a baby.

You're a nasty little liar. Accept it.

Changed one word and that describes you to a t. Now kindly go and fuck yourself as that would probably be the only fuck you'll ever get. Fuck nozzle.

We are all still waiting for your FIRST political post on this political thread. You are the full time troll on this thread.

Can your few brain cell cooperate to produce of some type of political or ideological thought? Or is even comprehending this sentence beyond that possibility?

[shredder138]

We are all still waiting for your FIRST political post on this political thread. You are the full time troll on this thread.

Can your few brain cell cooperate to produce of some type of political or ideological thought? Or is even comprehending this sentence beyond that possibility?

You're the fucking troll. You're the one who ridicules and insults everyone who disagree with you. I would never waste my time "trying" to have a political conversation with you as I would be nothing but a nazi, commie, or socialist. It's funny, I thought I could learn a few things from this thread and I have, actually. However the only thing I've learned from you is what kind of asshole you really are and that's it. It's amusing how the biggest pieces of shit in this world (yes you) have the thickest skulls and are so blind to reason. I once thought you were an ok guy, then I realized you're just a little pussie who doesnt' like those who disagree with you so you get on the internet and try and play tough guy. My observations tell me you, sir, are a filthy piece of trash and I will gladly voice that on here when I feel it's neccessary. Thank you, and fuck you.

[mjb]

just checking in... so, whats happenin'?

[Hawk]

just checking in... so, whats happenin'?

LOL...Same ole shit...

[f.sciarrillo]

just checking in... so, whats happenin'?

Bill and Joe are still arguing. Sooner or later they will kiss and make up. Shredder is still instigating, and Johnny and still insisting that Obama is the best President since Jimmy Carter. Did I miss anything?

[onegunguitar]

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/thwarted- ... 49469.html

[lonewolf]

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/thwarted- ... 49469.html

Now that's what I call an efficient political post! No comment required!

Let's cut off our nose to spite China's face!

[songsmith]

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/thwarted- ... 49469.html

That's where the oil was headed in the first place. We have plenty, and are set to become a petroleum NET EXPORTER. The oil sands are one of the dirtiest ways to get oil, we don't want to use it here, the OilCo's just wanted to do the polluting here, then sell it to China.
The point: That oil was ALWAYS going to China, we have plenty.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/12/05/us ... -exporter/

Please note source in link, it HAS to be true!

[lonewolf]

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/thwarted- ... 49469.html

That's where the oil was headed in the first place. We have plenty, and are set to become a petroleum NET EXPORTER. The oil sands are one of the dirtiest ways to get oil, we don't want to use it here, the OilCo's just wanted to do the polluting here, then sell it to China.
The point: That oil was ALWAYS going to China, we have plenty.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/12/05/us ... -exporter/

Please note source in link, it HAS to be true!

Reading comprehension FAIL.

We aren't anywhere near being a net exporter of oil and we sure as hell don't have "plenty" since we import about half of what we use. That article is about finished products from that imported oil. Finished products that are expensive because the raw material is so expensive.

AND...in case you didn't notice, that dirty oil is going to be extracted in Canada, not here. AND, its going to get extracted whether we buy it or not.

[songsmith]

just checking in... so, whats happenin'?

Bill and Joe are still arguing. Sooner or later they will kiss and make up. Shredder is still instigating, and Johnny and still insisting that Obama is the best President since Jimmy Carter. Did I miss anything?

Never insisted anything of the sort. I just shine a little light on misinformation, media corruption, and obstructionism. The reality is very frustrating when you're trying to hang on to the lies that make you feel comfortable.
I don't support EVERYTHING Obama does, and often point out what the left wing REALLY thinks, but guys like you only want that right-wing validation, not truth. You cannot name a single thing I've changed my stance on, that you have not flip-flopped on numerous times.
I often CORRECT the smoke and mirrors of rightwing opinion shows, and that's why the Braintrust has such a problem with me. When I lurked for 6 months, this thread turned into 3 or 4 wingers, regurgitating blog links unanswered, and unsubstantiated. It was nothing but inane boring crap, high-fiving each other at how bad things were for America, and how awesome they were for noticing. Validation, the most important precept of modern conservatism... "don't tell me the truth, tell me what I want to hear." Go to a wingnut blog if you seek validation, there are thousands. Here, you get no special treatment based on your "morals," or "values," or whatever other authority you believe you have over others. Stop expecting the working class to surrender the class war. Stop expecting a Fundamentalist theocracy, or a Big Business plutocracy. Stop expecting workers to work for less pay, as the elites get paid more for less work. Stop expecting people to accept rightwing doctrine without question. It's too extreme, and self-defeating.
It ain't gonna happen.

[f.sciarrillo]

just checking in... so, whats happenin'?

Bill and Joe are still arguing. Sooner or later they will kiss and make up. Shredder is still instigating, and Johnny and still insisting that Obama is the best President since Jimmy Carter. Did I miss anything?

Never insisted anything of the sort. I just shine a little light on misinformation, media corruption, and obstructionism. The reality is very frustrating when you're trying to hang on to the lies that make you feel comfortable.
I don't support EVERYTHING Obama does, and often point out what the left wing REALLY thinks, but guys like you only want that right-wing validation, not truth. You cannot name a single thing I've changed my stance on, that you have not flip-flopped on numerous times.
I often CORRECT the smoke and mirrors of rightwing opinion shows, and that's why the Braintrust has such a problem with me. When I lurked for 6 months, this thread turned into 3 or 4 wingers, regurgitating blog links unanswered, and unsubstantiated. It was nothing but inane boring crap, high-fiving each other at how bad things were for America, and how awesome they were for noticing. Validation, the most important precept of modern conservatism... "don't tell me the truth, tell me what I want to hear." Go to a wingnut blog if you seek validation, there are thousands. Here, you get no special treatment based on your "morals," or "values," or whatever other authority you believe you have over others. Stop expecting the working class to surrender the class war. Stop expecting a Fundamentalist theocracy, or a Big Business plutocracy. Stop expecting workers to work for less pay, as the elites get paid more for less work. Stop expecting people to accept rightwing doctrine without question. It's too extreme, and self-defeating.
It ain't gonna happen.

You have me wrong. I want both sides of the story so I can come up with my own decision. You can't get they by just watching one news source, or reading one blog, or reading one newspaper.

I am what I feel a true independent is, not a democrat or republican in sheep clothing.

[Banned]

Stop expecting the working class to surrender the class war. Stop expecting a Fundamentalist theocracy, or a Big Business plutocracy. Stop expecting workers to work for less pay, as the elites get paid more for less work. Stop expecting people to accept rightwing doctrine without question.

Do you think Ron Paul expects those things?

[songsmith]

By and large, yes I do.

[Banned]

By and large, yes I do.

Can you provide quotes or videos as evidence?

[Banned]

Here come the judge:

http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=7n2m-X7OIuY

[f.sciarrillo]

Muppets Diss Fox News In Response To Accusations Of Being Anti-Oil

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/3 ... lp00000003

It is funny seeing The Muppets going after Fox News.

[songsmith]

By and large, yes I do.

Can you provide quotes or videos as evidence?

Stop expecting the working class to surrender the class war:
RoPaul does not expect the elite to acknowledge the worker, nor anyone else. In this clip, he specifically states that Steve Jobs doesn't owe anyone in America anything, and that Elizabeth Warren does not understand the free market. (Apple makes nearly all it's products in China, and while Elizabeth Warren is a bankruptcy and middle class finance expert, Harvard Law professor, and banking watchdog, RoPaul is a former medical doctor, and current career politician in his third run for the presidency.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMAY4tKQc9Q

Fundamentalist Theocracy: RoPaul doesn't believe in evolution, which is a fundamentalist tenet, but waffles relentlessly on the issue of religion.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JyvkjSK ... re=related
Quote--"The Founding Fathers envisioned a robustly Christian yet religiously tolerant America, with churches serving as vital institutions that would eclipse the state in importance." — Ron Paul

Big business Plutocracy:
RoPaul SAYS he is against the plutocrats, but let's see what his Mini-Me says about it, when asked if the rich should pay the same as the blue-collar class:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-Cg0Nd9 ... r_embedded
Ron Paul, BTW, generally furthers the completely unrealistic Libertarian idea that a nation could run without taxation, that private business (run by the plutocracy, of course) is benevolent, and the "free" market will magically meet all our needs, so there is no need for government.

Stop expecting workers to work for less pay:
RoPaul readily supports the abolishment of the minimum wage, confirming my assertion that class warriors want no minimum for workers, and no maximum for executives. Once again we hear the old neocon adage that paying less equals more, which has never made sense to anyone not indoctrinated. Less pay equals less pay for workers, but DOES enrich the elite class.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jue6fNL0CaU

Rightwing Doctrine:
Okay this one is far beyond obvious. Do you really need links showing that RoPaul is a conservative? Do we need to clarify his positions on abortion (against, of course, govt is just the right size there), gay marriage (opposes, but says it's religion's responsibility, not govt), separation of church & state (opposes separation, but only for Christianity), and of course, the ubiquitous "smaller government" Tea Party ideals. I can provide links of Ron Paul saying all of those things with his own mouth, but joe, it's time YOU did some actual research and work. YOU'RE the expert here.
Post me some video's of Big Bad O saying we need to socialize Big Business. Saying he is a Marxist. Show me in Obama's voice, any of the things you insanely allege. Do some work.

As always, I'll be waiting for response to a direct challenge.

[Hawk]

By and large, yes I do.

Can you provide quotes or videos as evidence?

Stop expecting the working class to surrender the class war:
RoPaul does not expect the elite to acknowledge the worker, nor anyone else. In this clip, he specifically states that Steve Jobs doesn't owe anyone in America anything, and that Elizabeth Warren does not understand the free market. (Apple makes nearly all it's products in China, and while Elizabeth Warren is a bankruptcy and middle class finance expert, Harvard Law professor, and banking watchdog, RoPaul is a former medical doctor, and current career politician in his third run for the presidency.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMAY4tKQc9Q

Fundamentalist Theocracy: RoPaul doesn't believe in evolution, which is a fundamentalist tenet, but waffles relentlessly on the issue of religion.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JyvkjSK ... re=related
Quote--"The Founding Fathers envisioned a robustly Christian yet religiously tolerant America, with churches serving as vital institutions that would eclipse the state in importance." — Ron Paul

Big business Plutocracy:
RoPaul SAYS he is against the plutocrats, but let's see what his Mini-Me says about it, when asked if the rich should pay the same as the blue-collar class:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-Cg0Nd9 ... r_embedded
Ron Paul, BTW, generally furthers the completely unrealistic Libertarian idea that a nation could run without taxation, that private business (run by the plutocracy, of course) is benevolent, and the "free" market will magically meet all our needs, so there is no need for government.

Stop expecting workers to work for less pay:
RoPaul readily supports the abolishment of the minimum wage, confirming my assertion that class warriors want no minimum for workers, and no maximum for executives. Once again we hear the old neocon adage that paying less equals more, which has never made sense to anyone not indoctrinated. Less pay equals less pay for workers, but DOES enrich the elite class.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jue6fNL0CaU

Rightwing Doctrine:
Okay this one is far beyond obvious. Do you really need links showing that RoPaul is a conservative? Do we need to clarify his positions on abortion (against, of course, govt is just the right size there), gay marriage (opposes, but says it's religion's responsibility, not govt), separation of church & state (opposes separation, but only for Christianity), and of course, the ubiquitous "smaller government" Tea Party ideals. I can provide links of Ron Paul saying all of those things with his own mouth, but joe, it's time YOU did some actual research and work. YOU'RE the expert here.
Post me some video's of Big Bad O saying we need to socialize Big Business. Saying he is a Marxist. Show me in Obama's voice, any of the things you insanely allege. Do some work.

As always, I'll be waiting for response to a direct challenge.

Good thing you didn't quote anything from Ron Paul's news letters. Because according to Ron Paul, he doesn't know what is written in the "Ron Paul" news letter nor does he know who writes the "Ron Paul" news letters.

[Banned]

By and large, yes I do.

Can you provide quotes or videos as evidence?

Stop expecting the working class to surrender the class war:
RoPaul does not expect the elite to acknowledge the worker, nor anyone else. In this clip, he specifically states that Steve Jobs doesn't owe anyone in America anything, and that Elizabeth Warren does not understand the free market. (Apple makes nearly all it's products in China, and while Elizabeth Warren is a bankruptcy and middle class finance expert, Harvard Law professor, and banking watchdog, RoPaul is a former medical doctor, and current career politician in his third run for the presidency.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMAY4tKQc9Q

Fundamentalist Theocracy: RoPaul doesn't believe in evolution, which is a fundamentalist tenet, but waffles relentlessly on the issue of religion.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JyvkjSK ... re=related
Quote--"The Founding Fathers envisioned a robustly Christian yet religiously tolerant America, with churches serving as vital institutions that would eclipse the state in importance." — Ron Paul

Big business Plutocracy:
RoPaul SAYS he is against the plutocrats, but let's see what his Mini-Me says about it, when asked if the rich should pay the same as the blue-collar class:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-Cg0Nd9 ... r_embedded
Ron Paul, BTW, generally furthers the completely unrealistic Libertarian idea that a nation could run without taxation, that private business (run by the plutocracy, of course) is benevolent, and the "free" market will magically meet all our needs, so there is no need for government.

Stop expecting workers to work for less pay:
RoPaul readily supports the abolishment of the minimum wage, confirming my assertion that class warriors want no minimum for workers, and no maximum for executives. Once again we hear the old neocon adage that paying less equals more, which has never made sense to anyone not indoctrinated. Less pay equals less pay for workers, but DOES enrich the elite class.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jue6fNL0CaU

Rightwing Doctrine:
Okay this one is far beyond obvious. Do you really need links showing that RoPaul is a conservative? Do we need to clarify his positions on abortion (against, of course, govt is just the right size there), gay marriage (opposes, but says it's religion's responsibility, not govt), separation of church & state (opposes separation, but only for Christianity), and of course, the ubiquitous "smaller government" Tea Party ideals. I can provide links of Ron Paul saying all of those things with his own mouth, but joe, it's time YOU did some actual research and work. YOU'RE the expert here.
Post me some video's of Big Bad O saying we need to socialize Big Business. Saying he is a Marxist. Show me in Obama's voice, any of the things you insanely allege. Do some work.

As always, I'll be waiting for response to a direct challenge.

What does Steve Jobs owe you johnny? Just because someone does not believe in wealth redistribution does not make them a far right winger. It makes them a moderate American. Nothing proved at all.

Ron Paul quoting the founding fathers...that's your proof???? They have made many quotes like that very one. There are many and they are easy to find, goggle some. So? Major failure AGAIN.

This very same country ran on a 4% tariff and small corporate taxes for 150 years until the income tax reared it ugly head. The federal government only needed 4% of GDP to run during that time. It all worked very well. America was the place everyone in the world wanted to go to. I think the government should be limited to only 10% of GDP. Easily accomplished with tariffs and small corporate taxes. The Size of government would have to be reduced drastically. (like it was for 150 years before they started stealing our money with the income tax.) FAIL

He is SOOOO right wing he wants to decriminalize drugs and end all foreign, illegal wars. Just because someone is not an extreme left wingnut like you does not automatically make them right wing. Anyone one inch to the right of you is a moderate. Have you noticed how the Republican machine and Fox news goes out of its way to either ignore Ron Paul or discredit him when he does well?

Do I give this 4 fails or just one average fall on your face everyday FAIL?

[Banned]

Just in: Snoop Dog supports racist Ron Paul!!!

http://www.buzzfeed.com/rosiegray/ron-p ... ndorsement

[songsmith]

What does Steve Jobs owe you johnny?

He owes me some jobs here in America, and not min-wage storefront jobs either. Remember how you assailed "part-time retail," Joe?
He also owes me a phone that doesn't track my whereabouts, an MP3 player that doesn't report in to iTunes what I have on it, and a laptop that doesn't cost 3 times what a PC costs, despite being built in China by poor farmgirls who enjoy eating occasionally. OWNed.

Ron Paul quoting the founding fathers...that's your proof????

Unsure of exactly what you're talking about. "Incomprehensible" is the word I'm looking for. As if somehow, everything the founding fathers (a term that has really gotten weird lately, like they are our direct ancestors, or they're to be used interchangeably with "The Apostles") is now Gospel. The "founding fathers" all had just one thing in common: wealth, which brings along the desire to stay wealthy. Twenty percent were slave-owners. No poor founding fathers. Abolitionism was a contemporary issue then, but slavery wasn't abolished for another four-score and seven years. RoPaul favors class struggle. You are now locally-OWNed.

This very same country ran on a 4% tariff and small corporate taxes for 150 years until the income tax reared it ugly head. The federal government only needed 4% of GDP to run during that time. It all worked very well.

Excellent point... if this were 1790. YOU and RonP can think about how far business would be set back without public roads and highways (no taxes, no infrastructure). You can refuse to treat patients with technology and medicine govt has sponsored. We can all go back to carrying our own handmade muskets into battle. We can trim the US population from over 300 million to a little under 4 million, per 1790 census figures. (You'd like that whole genocide and eugenics wouldn't you?) We can also go back to an 80% rate of illiteracy for black kids (before public schools were common, pre-1870) from the current 1.6%. Back to 20% illiteracy rates overall, and back to ciphering on pieces of slate with chalk... of course, we'd also have force private schools to buy their own buses and formulate their own curricula, as well as the voucher system going away. (Oops, buses can't run without US roads!)
Apparently, the genie's out of the bottle, joe. You can't function as a modern society by constraining yourself to two-hundred-year-old means. OWNed yet again.

He is SOOOO right wing he wants to decriminalize drugs and end all foreign, illegal wars. Just because someone is not an extreme left wingnut like you does not automatically make them right wing. Anyone one inch to the right of you is a moderate.

So having one or two admirable-yet-unrealistic ideas makes him a moderate? I have a guitar, so that makes me a Beatle, I guess. He also chooses property rights over civil rights, and pretty much every other right. I spelled it all out in my last post. You must be property yourself, because you just got OWNED.

Have you noticed how the Republican machine and Fox news goes out of its way to either ignore Ron Paul or discredit him when he does well?

Ron Paul is a far-right Republican. Fox News is a far-right Republican media mouthpiece. They don't ignore him because of his beliefs, however extreme they may be. They ignore him because he can't get 20% of the vote outside his own district. I liked George Carlin, he said things I totally agree with, and was an exceptionally perceptive man... but he was never going to be president. OWN-ified.

Do I give this 4 fails or just one average fall on your face everyday FAIL?

Your customary flailing-wildly was pedestrian and derivative, but had a great beat, and was easy to dance to. I give it a 99% OWNED.