THE POLITICAL ARENA!!! Political Gladiators Inside!!

[f.sciarrillo]

Newt won the South Carolina primary. If history stays true to what it has for the past couple of elections, Newt will be the nominee.

Its different this time. The repubs have new nomination rules:

Any presidential primary, caucus, convention, or other meeting held for the purpose of selecting delegates to the national convention which occurs prior to the first day of April in the year in which the national convention is held, shall provide for the allocation of delegates on a proportional basis.

Beginning April 1, it goes back to winner-take-all. Until then, this is just a perpetual dog-and-pony show.

Also, South Carolina is to Georgia as New Hampshire is to Massachusetts. Romney cleaned house in NH, Gingrich was bound to do the same in SC. SC is the cradle of the war between the states and they aren't about to nominate a Yankee from Massachusetts.

I did not know they changed it. Well, then I guess anything can happen. It will get interesting that is for sure.

[f.sciarrillo]

obama as the incumbent will be re elected. will you vote for "250 mil+" rich false smiley romney ..ya he knows OUR pain, c'mon idiots. he is so f.a.k.e.
Obama is in, get over it

Predicting politics now? With how you are with sports, I will take the opposite of what you say. You support Obama, so he doesn't have a chance. Please, enlighten us with your knowledge? And not stuff you heard from MSNBC.

[Hawk]

Yes, corporate welfare sucks. Not matter how you look at it. Especially when it is a mess the corporate got themselves into. My tax money shouldn't have to go bailout a company that causes a wreck, whether it be an auto manufacturer or a bank. No Bailouts period!

Right ! We should have left the banks close, everyone who has money there looses it. Every retired person looses their retirement. Then stop the government welfare and lte the people die. Why don't you think things through ?

[f.sciarrillo]

Yes, corporate welfare sucks. Not matter how you look at it. Especially when it is a mess the corporate got themselves into. My tax money shouldn't have to go bailout a company that causes a wreck, whether it be an auto manufacturer or a bank. No Bailouts period!

Right ! We should have left the banks close, everyone who has money there looses it. Every retired person looses their retirement. Then stop the government welfare and lte the people die. Why don't you think things through ?

I do think things through. Why do you say that? I don't like my tax money being given to a company who runs itself into the ground. They got themselves in the hole, they should get themselves out.

I can't say anything about the banks being unionized, as I don't know if they are or not. Unless there is a tellers union?

[lonewolf]

No shit ? If the federal government had not given them an additional 30 billion (after they borrowed 20 billion) they would likely have gone into chapter 7. So don't give me an end run... There would not be a GM without Obama no matter how Limbaughish you spin it.

Do you base that on your long, proven track record of financial and investing experience or do you just have a secret alternate-universe generator that we don't know about?

Ouch ! Sounds like a man with big words and a lack of common sense.

Oh you are so right, you are smarter than anyone so we should all defer to you.

Unfortunately for you, common sense trumps Sheldon Cooper like intelligence .

ROFLMAO...here is a PM I sent right after I posted this:

"How much do ya wanna bet that if he replies to that, it will be based on his impeccable COMMON SENSE, lol."

I said it once and I'll say it again: Common sense is why the world used to be FLAT!

[songsmith]

Maybe, but the Sheldon Cooper quip was funny... 'cause... it's...

[songsmith]

NObama does not care about workers. The millions without work since he has been president will testify to that.

He cares about union bosses and union campaign funds, period.

Big Bad O had to fight TEA PARTY CONSERVATIVES to get UC extensions. Big Bad O watched while half a million local and state govt jobs ended because of TEA PARTY CONSERVATIVES. TEA PARTY CONSERVATIVES made it Job One to limit Big Bad O to one term, rather than to create jobs. Big Bad O cares about workers.

YOU do not care about workers. Nothing you have ever posted on this website has ever given any indication whatsoever of your admiration of the American Worker. To the contrary, you support management and the entire executive culture at every turn. You have stated time and again there there should be no minimum pay for workers, and no maximum pay for executive "job creators." All union action is negative to you, and business is never to be limited in any way, you are the very definition of anarchist/capitalism and social darwinism. You even choose business and media figures you cannot elect over the government you can.
When you tell us something about someone you hate and fear, we don't take you seriously, because there is no one more biased.

[Hawk]

Do you base that on your long, proven track record of financial and investing experience or do you just have a secret alternate-universe generator that we don't know about?

Ouch ! Sounds like a man with big words and a lack of common sense.

Oh you are so right, you are smarter than anyone so we should all defer to you.

Unfortunately for you, common sense trumps Sheldon Cooper like intelligence .

ROFLMAO...here is a PM I sent right after I posted this:

"How much do ya wanna bet that if he replies to that, it will be based on his impeccable COMMON SENSE, lol."

I said it once and I'll say it again: Common sense is why the world used to be FLAT!

You sent a PM ? So you guys confer and strategize Rockpage attacks. That is so weak ... Sheldon, I'm so disappointed in you.

[Banned]

NObama does not care about workers. The millions without work since he has been president will testify to that.

He cares about union bosses and union campaign funds, period.

Big Bad O had to fight TEA PARTY CONSERVATIVES to get UC extensions. Big Bad O watched while half a million local and state govt jobs ended because of TEA PARTY CONSERVATIVES. TEA PARTY CONSERVATIVES made it Job One to limit Big Bad O to one term, rather than to create jobs. Big Bad O cares about workers.

YOU do not care about workers. Nothing you have ever posted on this website has ever given any indication whatsoever of your admiration of the American Worker. To the contrary, you support management and the entire executive culture at every turn. You have stated time and again there there should be no minimum pay for workers, and no maximum pay for executive "job creators." All union action is negative to you, and business is never to be limited in any way, you are the very definition of anarchist/capitalism and social darwinism. You even choose business and media figures you cannot elect over the government you can.
When you tell us something about someone you hate and fear, we don't take you seriously, because there is no one more biased.

Your point, Marxist?

[f.sciarrillo]

NObama does not care about workers. The millions without work since he has been president will testify to that.

He cares about union bosses and union campaign funds, period.

Big Bad O had to fight TEA PARTY CONSERVATIVES to get UC extensions. Big Bad O watched while half a million local and state govt jobs ended because of TEA PARTY CONSERVATIVES. TEA PARTY CONSERVATIVES made it Job One to limit Big Bad O to one term, rather than to create jobs. Big Bad O cares about workers.

YOU do not care about workers. Nothing you have ever posted on this website has ever given any indication whatsoever of your admiration of the American Worker. To the contrary, you support management and the entire executive culture at every turn. You have stated time and again there there should be no minimum pay for workers, and no maximum pay for executive "job creators." All union action is negative to you, and business is never to be limited in any way, you are the very definition of anarchist/capitalism and social darwinism. You even choose business and media figures you cannot elect over the government you can.
When you tell us something about someone you hate and fear, we don't take you seriously, because there is no one more biased.

Did you change your party affiliation to the liberals yet?

[f.sciarrillo]

I wonder how florida will be? Romney spent the most money there so far. And the way it's been, it can be anyones game. Who do you guys think will win Florida? I can't really say. I know it will either be Romney or Newt. Santorum and Paul will battle for third.

[lonewolf]

Oh you are so right, you are smarter than anyone so we should all defer to you.

Thats right.

AND DON'T YOU FORGET IT!

[Hawk]

SOCIAL LIBERALISM

While we cannot each be boxed in to a specific label, I adhere to some of the principles listed here.

It affirms the following principles: human rights, free and fair elections and multiparty democracy, social justice, tolerance, social market economy, free trade, environmental sustainability and a strong sense of international solidarity.

[Social Economy: The social market economy seeks a middle path between socialism and laissez-faire economic liberalism (i.e. a mixed economy), combining private enterprise with government regulation to establish fair competition, maintaining a balance between a high rate of economic growth, low inflation, low levels of unemployment, good working conditions, social welfare, and public services, by using state intervention. The term "social" was chosen rather than "socialist" to distinguish the social market economy from a system in which the state directed economic activity and/or owned the means of production, which are usually privately-owned in the social market model.]



I'm FOR social justice.

" Social Liberalism...believes in the legitimate role of the state in addressing economic issues". ANY OF YOU who attack Obama for not doing enough to help increase jobs and improve the economy ARE Social Liberals. I know, I know...Libertarians believe the government should NOT be involved in economics at all. I believe even Thomas Jefferson was involved with the government propping up some businesses. So it's been done since day one.

While I went to private schools, my parents taught me that they pay school taxes so that we don't have a city full of stupid people. The community will do best if everyone gets an education. I think they were right. Which leads to "...the good of the community...as harmonious WITH the FREEDOM of the INDIVIDUAL.

All of this IS IN a society that strongly supports capitalism

I was for the expansion of civil rights. I saw the news in the 1960s with blacks fighting for their liberty.

Social liberalism is the belief that liberalism should include social justice. It differs from classical liberalism in that it believes the legitimate role of the state includes addressing economic and social issues such as unemployment, health care, and education while simultaneously expanding civil rights. Under social liberalism, the good of the community is viewed as harmonious with the freedom of the individual. Social liberal policies have been widely adopted in much of the capitalist world, particularly following World War II. Social liberal ideas and parties tend to be considered centrist or centre-left.

A reaction against social liberalism in the late twentieth century, often called neoliberalism, led to monetarist economic policies and a reduction in government provision of services. However, this reaction did not result in a return to classical liberalism, as governments continued to provide social services and retained control over economic policy.

The term "social liberalism" is often used interchangeably with "modern liberalism". The Liberal International is the main international organisation of liberal parties, which include, among other liberal variants, social liberal parties. It affirms the following principles: human rights, free and fair elections and multiparty democracy, social justice, tolerance, social market economy, free trade, environmental sustainability and a strong sense of international solidarity.

Communism :

Communism is nothing like (the social liberal) with the adherence to a two party system, democracy, private ownership of business and / or property, being FOR the ability of the individual to get rich, strong support of capitalism etc..

Communism is a social, political and economic ideology that aims at the establishment of a classless, moneyless, stateless and revolutionary socialist society structured upon common ownership of the means of production

[Hawk]

Oh you are so right, you are smarter than anyone so we should all defer to you.

Thats right.

AND DON'T YOU FORGET IT!

Love ya like a bro man... I always say you're one of the smartest people I know. You're the only one (on the right) on Rockpage (Edit: actually when I think of it there is one other conservative) who can actually discuss an issue with an understanding of the impact of the ideological differences between us rather than resorting to parroted rhetoric picked up in right wing Emails or from four word sound bites. I always look forward to your rebuttals.

Wished you would be out playing again too.

[Banned]

resorting to parroted rhetoric picked up in right wing Emails or from four word sound bites.

Just change right to left and you perfectly described all of your posts, they all could have been written by MSNBC. You think the only solutions come from more government.

[Hawk]

resorting to parroted rhetoric picked up in right wing Emails or from four word sound bites.

Just change right to left and you perfectly described all of your posts, they all could have been written by MSNBC. You think the only solutions come from more government.

Doesn't even deserve a response. I guess my other post was too many words for you...again. No surprise...again.

BTW Joe, there is no left wing secret Email society (that I know of) like your right wing secret Email society where you get what ? 99% of your ammunition ? I dare you to just post every one of those Emails here.

Remember I was kicked out of your secret Email group for proving them to be wrong. Actually torn apart for using MY RIGHT to use free speech on a public accessed privately owned forum by one of your guys.

[songsmith]

Your point, Marxist?

You're a poseur, Fascist. That's my point. You don't care a lick about workers, and you have not a wisp of empathy for human beings. You live in a fantasy world where people can't remember what you just said a little while ago.
You couldn't define Marxism, it's a derogatory-sounding word you picked up on some late-night AM-radio talkshow, so you toss it out there to improve your vocabulary.

[Hawk]

Your point, Marxist?

You're a poseur, Fascist. That's my point. You don't care a lick about workers, and you have not a wisp of empathy for human beings. You live in a fantasy world where people can't remember what you just said a little while ago.
You couldn't define Marxism, it's a derogatory-sounding word you picked up on some late-night AM-radio talkshow, so you toss it out there to improve your vocabulary.

I know, he uses words which he has no understanding of the meaning. A right wing method of insult that he thinks trumps intelligence . Which he's been doing before this thread was even started.

EDIT: Oh, it does trump intelligence on Fox and Limbaugh...

[Banned]

Your point, Marxist?

You're a poseur, Fascist. That's my point. You don't care a lick about workers, and you have not a wisp of empathy for human beings. You live in a fantasy world where people can't remember what you just said a little while ago.
You couldn't define Marxism, it's a derogatory-sounding word you picked up on some late-night AM-radio talkshow, so you toss it out there to improve your vocabulary.

Marxism is the ideology behind all of your posts, its that simple.

You think that only government programs can help the working man. Libertarians think the government only hinders them. Just because someone disagrees with your ideology does not make them any less human, asshole.

[Hawk]

Your point, Marxist?

You're a poseur, Fascist. That's my point. You don't care a lick about workers, and you have not a wisp of empathy for human beings. You live in a fantasy world where people can't remember what you just said a little while ago.
You couldn't define Marxism, it's a derogatory-sounding word you picked up on some late-night AM-radio talkshow, so you toss it out there to improve your vocabulary.

Marxism is the ideology behind all of your posts, its that simple.

You think that only government programs can help the working man. Libertarians think the government only hinders them. Just because someone disagrees with your ideology does not make them any less human, asshole.

You see Joe, you're so brainwashed that you don't actually know what Marxism is (as described in a post above) EVERY free democracy with a system of capitalism has some social programs so by your wrong understanding of Marxism EVERY free society with democracy and social programs are really communists. Funny, only you, Rush and Fox think that. The rest of us know better.

[f.sciarrillo]

Man this is a snooze fest. it is the same thing over and over again, 200 pages of the same crap. Do you guys have anything better to argue about?

Oh and for the record, Johnny, Newt is leading in the polls in the great state of Florida. I can't wait to see if him and Obama debate. Newt would rip him apart.

[songsmith]

Oh and for the record, Johnny, Newt is leading in the polls in the great state of Florida. I can't wait to see if him and Obama debate. Newt would rip him apart.

Well, it wouldn't be as funny as Obama vs. Bachmann, or Obama vs. Palin, but other than a few pre-rehearsed sound-bites, Obama would mop up the floor with Fat Boy.
Nooton Gingrich is an easy target, Frank... all you have to do is tell the truth. Gingrich was heaved out of Congress, and charged $300,000 for ethics violations. Noot worked with Nancy Pelosi on global warming initiatives. Noot is so enamored with the family value of marriage, he's done it THREE times!

[Hawk]

Man this is a snooze fest. it is the same thing over and over again, 200 pages of the same crap. Do you guys have anything better to argue about?

Oh and for the record, Johnny, Newt is leading in the polls in the great state of Florida. I can't wait to see if him and Obama debate. Newt would rip him apart.

There it is, the right wing anger, as created by fox and friends, who just want to see a fight. Frank never said Newt would make a good president, he, like the rest of the righties, just want to see a fight.

As I said before, the great white hope - Schmeling vs. Joe Lewis.

We'll see if anger or cool heads prevail with the Republicans.

And I still don't get it. Perhaps Frank can enlighten me. When Clinton was having sex with Monica the conservatives SCREAMED that character counts. The left were saying that the sex he had has nothing to do with how he governs. Now the right isn't worried about character ?

This is NOT the pot and kettle because the left wasn't screaming about a character flaw, the right was.

[Hawk]

President Bush added 14.7 million people to the food stamps.

Obama, who was handed an economy near depression, plus the loss of all of the jobs that left for China under Bush, and is still dealing with the results of the housing bubble that burst, added 14.2 million people to food stamps.

Why weren't you guys screaming that Bush was the food stamp president ? BECAUSE NOBODY TOLD YOU TOO. Sad but true...

[Hawk]

False profits ?

Bachman said she was running because God told her to.

Perry ran because God told him to.

Cain ran because God told him to.

Did God pick loosers or are these people using the name of God to get votes.

And yes, Santorum and Newt speak about their God connection too.

Sad but true...