THE POLITICAL ARENA!!! Political Gladiators Inside!!

[lonewolf]

War on Christmas? Ask Foamy!

http://www.illwillpress.com/X_MAS1.html

[Merge]

Thanks for replying, guys. I have another question: Why does it seem, to me anyway, that the media is very pro-Muslim?? There's nothing at all wrong with non-extremist practitioners of the Muslim faith. That having been said, it seems like the media defends Muslims no matter what the action. At the same time, they'll bash Christians at every opportunity. I saw something online here, it was a conservative news columnist saying that if Tim Tebow were Muslim, the media wouldn't give someone a pass for bashing his religious displays during a game. Do any of you think this is true at all?? Sorry, that was 2 questions

[Blue Reality]

Lies Lies Lies.... The difficult part for me is when someone actually thinks one side here has some moral upper hand as though one party lies and deceives more than the other. Politics has become a septic pool for slime to lounge in. When some one plays the gotcha game they can find a million examples within the realm of their own candidate or party. But they don't seem to bring these to light do they?

This will not come to an end until everyone is held accountable and that includes our own favorite political miscreants.

But why do that when we can amuse ourselves to death............

[f.sciarrillo]

But why do that when we can amuse ourselves to death............

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMijMWQlnUc

"Bartender what is wrong with me, Why am I so out of breath, The captain said excuse me ma'am, This species has amused itself to death"

[lonewolf]

What do all of you think of this act, specifically the provision that might allow for indefinite detention of U.S. citizens:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_D ... _Year_2012

Thanks for chiming in, everyone.

After thinking about it, the topic is pretty much cut and dry from my perspective. Treason is the only crime defined in the Constitution.

It seems to me that any current US citizen taking up ranks with enemies of the United States should be charged with treason and given a speedy trial.

Unfortunately, nobody pays any attention to the Constitution anymore.

[Blue Reality]

Hey Lonewolf what's up with this treason stuff? I bet you have a confedrate flag flying in your garage next to a poster of Ronald Reagan. You don't happen to own and GUNS do you? You aren't stocking food, ammo and gold to get you through some type of full scale melt down that's supposed to be on its way? Kinda like the Y2K thing that never happened???? Some kinda nut job.....

BTW there is no such thing as treason. Like my dad, the WW II vet who signed himself out of high school the day he turned 18 and enlisted in the Army and was taken to the train station by his father who was a WW I Purple Heart recipient and scarred by Kraut (yep I said Kraut) Mustard Gas said, it's all free speech and self expression covered by the 1st Amendment.

And the Muslims are peace loving. We are the problem due to our consumption and self righteous arrogance. When we get green, communal and peace loving the world will be moved to peace and harmony because we will have seen the error of our ways.

I'll never forget the motto of my Uncle Blair who was a Paratrooper in the 18th Airborn Div., trucked into the Bulge and later jumped in Opperation Varsity and lost a leg in combat. "All we are saying is give peace a chance..........." Boy he sure loved John Lennon.....

We're all ashamed of Grand Pappy though. On December 8th, 1941 (the day after Pearl Harbor) he put his WW I uniform on and went to enlist in the Army to fight the Japs (oh I said Japs). It seems he sure loved his violence. I guess he missed the slaughter of War and the horror of the WW I trenches so much he just wanted to get in on some more action.

The Army wouldn't take him. They said he was too old. We don't talk about this much. It's a dirty little family secret. Because we have so many combat veterans in our family that we KNOW war isn't any kind of solution. Violence doesn't solve anything. We are guilty because we anger the world and provoke reactions by our way of life. We Will we ever learn?

Give Obamma a second term and you'll understand that a his vision for a new America will bring peace, end greed and bring prosperity. We liberated Europe through violence. But Europeans have gone forward to create model societies with thriving economies filled with peace and prosperity.

So end this lunacy about treason and listen to the voice of a new generation.....

[Blue Reality]

Typo in the above... That should read 17th Airborne Div. not 18th..... Don't type well......

Glad I caught that Hawk so you didn't have to spend time bringing that to light and you can focus on the Republican Smear Machine...

[Blue Reality]

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[lonewolf]

Hey Lonewolf what's up with this treason stuff? I bet you have a confedrate flag flying in your garage next to a poster of Ronald Reagan. You don't happen to own and GUNS do you? You aren't stocking food, ammo and gold to get you through some type of full scale melt down that's supposed to be on its way? Kinda like the Y2K thing that never happened???? Some kinda nut job.....

BTW there is no such thing as treason. Like my dad, the WW II vet who signed himself out of high school the day he turned 18 and enlisted in the Army and was taken to the train station by his father who was a WW I Purple Heart recipient and scarred by Kraut (yep I said Kraut) Mustard Gas said, it's all free speech and self expression covered by the 1st Amendment.

And the Muslims are peace loving. We are the problem due to our consumption and self righteous arrogance. When we get green, communal and peace loving the world will be moved to peace and harmony because we will have seen the error of our ways.

I'll never forget the motto of my Uncle Blair who was a Paratrooper in the 18th Airborn Div., trucked into the Bulge and later jumped in Opperation Varsity and lost a leg in combat. "All we are saying is give peace a chance..........." Boy he sure loved John Lennon.....

We're all ashamed of Grand Pappy though. On December 8th, 1941 (the day after Pearl Harbor) he put his WW I uniform on and went to enlist in the Army to fight the Japs (oh I said Japs). It seems he sure loved his violence. I guess he missed the slaughter of War and the horror of the WW I trenches so much he just wanted to get in on some more action.

The Army wouldn't take him. They said he was too old. We don't talk about this much. It's a dirty little family secret. Because we have so many combat veterans in our family that we KNOW war isn't any kind of solution. Violence doesn't solve anything. We are guilty because we anger the world and provoke reactions by our way of life. We Will we ever learn?

Give Obamma a second term and you'll understand that a his vision for a new America will bring peace, end greed and bring prosperity. We liberated Europe through violence. But Europeans have gone forward to create model societies with thriving economies filled with peace and prosperity.

So end this lunacy about treason and listen to the voice of a new generation.....

How many shots did you do before you wrote this gem?

I hope you are being sarcastic.

BTW, there IS such a thing as treason and if we give Obama a 2nd term, you will need to do all that stuff you mentioned in the 1st paragraph.

The 1st paragraph is the one at the top, before all that other irrelevant stuff--not the one on the left or right...the one in the middle.

[bassist_25]

Hey Lonewolf what's up with this treason stuff? I bet you have a confedrate flag flying in your garage next to a poster of Ronald Reagan. You don't happen to own and GUNS do you? You aren't stocking food, ammo and gold to get you through some type of full scale melt down that's supposed to be on its way? Kinda like the Y2K thing that never happened???? Some kinda nut job.....

BTW there is no such thing as treason. Like my dad, the WW II vet who signed himself out of high school the day he turned 18 and enlisted in the Army and was taken to the train station by his father who was a WW I Purple Heart recipient and scarred by Kraut (yep I said Kraut) Mustard Gas said, it's all free speech and self expression covered by the 1st Amendment.

And the Muslims are peace loving. We are the problem due to our consumption and self righteous arrogance. When we get green, communal and peace loving the world will be moved to peace and harmony because we will have seen the error of our ways.

I'll never forget the motto of my Uncle Blair who was a Paratrooper in the 18th Airborn Div., trucked into the Bulge and later jumped in Opperation Varsity and lost a leg in combat. "All we are saying is give peace a chance..........." Boy he sure loved John Lennon.....

We're all ashamed of Grand Pappy though. On December 8th, 1941 (the day after Pearl Harbor) he put his WW I uniform on and went to enlist in the Army to fight the Japs (oh I said Japs). It seems he sure loved his violence. I guess he missed the slaughter of War and the horror of the WW I trenches so much he just wanted to get in on some more action.

The Army wouldn't take him. They said he was too old. We don't talk about this much. It's a dirty little family secret. Because we have so many combat veterans in our family that we KNOW war isn't any kind of solution. Violence doesn't solve anything. We are guilty because we anger the world and provoke reactions by our way of life. We Will we ever learn?

Give Obamma a second term and you'll understand that a his vision for a new America will bring peace, end greed and bring prosperity. We liberated Europe through violence. But Europeans have gone forward to create model societies with thriving economies filled with peace and prosperity.

So end this lunacy about treason and listen to the voice of a new generation.....

I like beans.

[RobTheDrummer]

We're all ashamed of Grand Pappy though. On December 8th, 1941 (the day after Pearl Harbor) he put his WW I uniform on and went to enlist in the Army to fight the Japs (oh I said Japs). It seems he sure loved his violence. I guess he missed the slaughter of War and the horror of the WW I trenches so much he just wanted to get in on some more action.

That man sounds like a hero to me. Sounds to me like without people like him, you wouldn't have the RIGHT to type what you do here on Rockpage. Actually, if it weren't for tough SOB's like "Grand Pappy" we probably wouldn't have any of the luxuries that we have today.

Really, what should you do when attacked? Just lye down? Smoke a doobie and flash a peace sign? No, you show them you don't FUCK with us. Stamp their dick in the dirt, because that's all you can do against those that only know violence.

[Blue Reality]

No shots involved in the writing of the post. Real absurd wasn't it? Take the joust out about my family's actual service record and you have an opinion held by bunches of people, especially this administration.

People and politicians live such tripe in a fantasy world isolated from the past and ignore the present. When I think about how my grandfather lived after the effects of mustard gas with no VA Bennefits, when he had difficulty holding a job because of central nervous system shifts and scarred lungs, my blood boils. He raised a family of 4 kids through the depression without welfare or any public assistance. And the glorious revolutionaries of Occupy Wall Street can only speak about what they haven't received and what they are entitled to.

When you look at the selfishness of Baby Boomers and following generations then compare that to the Greatest Generation, you just have to shake your head. And people actually try to defend this as though we are living in a new enightened era. If we were to apply the current mindset to the past, Europe would never have been liberated and the world economy would never have grown to a level worthy of a crash.

People like my Dad, Uncle and Grandfather took upon themselves the horrible task of fighting to free the world. They came home to build an economic engine like the world has never seen. Their Children and grandchildren have acted as spoiled kids living out an absurd fantasy under the protection of the freedom they did nothing to secure while bankrupting a system thye did nothing to help create. And they call themselves enlightened. Fools.... Take a look at Europe.

At Thanksgiving my Dad showed me a German belt buckle my grandfather brought home from the trenches. It brought home to me the absurdity of situation we find ourselves in. And I realized just how real his sacrifice was. My grandfather went through the worst of trench warfare in WW I and had no qualms about enlisting on Dec 8th 1941. When the enlistment officer saw him he just smiled and told him to go home and take his rest. Knowing the horror that he experienced in WW I, my grandfatther took his son to the train station, shook his hand an wished his son the best as my dad boarded the train to his own uncertain future. It's called duty and doing what's right.

We are so proud of our Grandfather and all of our the veterans in our family from the Revolutionary War, Civil War, WWI, WWII, Vietnam, Desert Storm. We are also finished with the lunacy that has squandered the fruits of our family's struggle, sacrifice and suffering.

Game on liars, lunatics and lazy worthless protesting scum.... I personally have had enough....

[lonewolf]

I figured you were being sarcastic.

You should be proud of your family's sacrifice. My Grandfather was also at "The Bulge" in the 3rd Army. He was stabbed in the back by a German bayonet.

He survived his wound and came home to run a general store and a small bank in Bedford. I learned many things from him when I was young, but the one thing that he kept warning me about was that if the government didn't stop the path that it was on, it would drive the country to bankruptcy and depression some time in the early 21st century. I was paying attention.

He died in 1989 and I have a memorial display of his funeral flag and ribbons on my desk.

[Blue Reality]

The Greatest Generation! The are the best the best people I have ever known.

Can you take a photo of the ribbons and post that some time?

I am always proud to say that I was surrounded by the WW II generation as I grew up. Thankfully they have left their mark on my soul.

[lonewolf]

Alfred Clair Miller

[Blue Reality]

Thanks!!!!! That simply the best!!! Made my day !

[bassist_25]

During the Greatest Generation's time, it was also socially acceptable to beat your wife and Jim Crow was in full swing. While I am thankful for those who served in the military during that time, I have trouble viewing any generational cohort either through rose-tinted glasses or with extreme cynicism. It just smacks of a metanarrative to me. Additionally, I'm always skeptical of previous generations' melodramatics of a current generation's values, norms, and mores somehow going to be the unraveling of society. I'm sure there were cohorts in ancient Aztec culture thinking the young'uns were going to destroy society.

However, I do agree with the general criticism of the OWS movement. While I truly feel their anger, I don't think the movement has much credibility for the aforementioned reasons. Of course, the same could probably be said for the anti-war movement in the 60s. Ironically, the OWS and the Tea Party ( or at least the original Tea Party, before it got usurped by paleconservatives worrying about all sorts of social issues) have anger over similar economic issues; however, each movement has very different ideologically-driven ideas on how to solve the problem.

[Banned]

"Average US Family Lost $21K in 6 Months Due To Property Values, Stock Market"

http://www.myfoxdc.com/dpp/money/averag ... z1gAbXF1fe

"NEW YORK - The average US household lost $21,261 of net worth this summer, the largest decline in family wealth in nearly three years.

The drop in the third quarter, tied to falling home values and a cratering stock market, is the second straight quarter of eroding wealth, according to the Federal Reserve's quarterly report, released Thursday."


I wonder if the Democrat Lie Detector Bill will say this is a lie about Obama.

[whitedevilone]

No shots involved in the writing of the post. Real absurd wasn't it? Take the joust out about my family's actual service record and you have an opinion held by bunches of people, especially this administration.

People and politicians live such tripe in a fantasy world isolated from the past and ignore the present. When I think about how my grandfather lived after the effects of mustard gas with no VA Bennefits, when he had difficulty holding a job because of central nervous system shifts and scarred lungs, my blood boils. He raised a family of 4 kids through the depression without welfare or any public assistance. And the glorious revolutionaries of Occupy Wall Street can only speak about what they haven't received and what they are entitled to.

When you look at the selfishness of Baby Boomers and following generations then compare that to the Greatest Generation, you just have to shake your head. And people actually try to defend this as though we are living in a new enightened era. If we were to apply the current mindset to the past, Europe would never have been liberated and the world economy would never have grown to a level worthy of a crash.

People like my Dad, Uncle and Grandfather took upon themselves the horrible task of fighting to free the world. They came home to build an economic engine like the world has never seen. Their Children and grandchildren have acted as spoiled kids living out an absurd fantasy under the protection of the freedom they did nothing to secure while bankrupting a system thye did nothing to help create. And they call themselves enlightened. Fools.... Take a look at Europe.

At Thanksgiving my Dad showed me a German belt buckle my grandfather brought home from the trenches. It brought home to me the absurdity of situation we find ourselves in. And I realized just how real his sacrifice was. My grandfather went through the worst of trench warfare in WW I and had no qualms about enlisting on Dec 8th 1941. When the enlistment officer saw him he just smiled and told him to go home and take his rest. Knowing the horror that he experienced in WW I, my grandfatther took his son to the train station, shook his hand an wished his son the best as my dad boarded the train to his own uncertain future. It's called duty and doing what's right.

We are so proud of our Grandfather and all of our the veterans in our family from the Revolutionary War, Civil War, WWI, WWII, Vietnam, Desert Storm. We are also finished with the lunacy that has squandered the fruits of our family's struggle, sacrifice and suffering.

Game on liars, lunatics and lazy worthless protesting scum.... I personally have had enough....

Post of the year.

[RobTheDrummer]

No shots involved in the writing of the post. Real absurd wasn't it? Take the joust out about my family's actual service record and you have an opinion held by bunches of people, especially this administration.

People and politicians live such tripe in a fantasy world isolated from the past and ignore the present. When I think about how my grandfather lived after the effects of mustard gas with no VA Bennefits, when he had difficulty holding a job because of central nervous system shifts and scarred lungs, my blood boils. He raised a family of 4 kids through the depression without welfare or any public assistance. And the glorious revolutionaries of Occupy Wall Street can only speak about what they haven't received and what they are entitled to.

When you look at the selfishness of Baby Boomers and following generations then compare that to the Greatest Generation, you just have to shake your head. And people actually try to defend this as though we are living in a new enightened era. If we were to apply the current mindset to the past, Europe would never have been liberated and the world economy would never have grown to a level worthy of a crash.

People like my Dad, Uncle and Grandfather took upon themselves the horrible task of fighting to free the world. They came home to build an economic engine like the world has never seen. Their Children and grandchildren have acted as spoiled kids living out an absurd fantasy under the protection of the freedom they did nothing to secure while bankrupting a system thye did nothing to help create. And they call themselves enlightened. Fools.... Take a look at Europe.

At Thanksgiving my Dad showed me a German belt buckle my grandfather brought home from the trenches. It brought home to me the absurdity of situation we find ourselves in. And I realized just how real his sacrifice was. My grandfather went through the worst of trench warfare in WW I and had no qualms about enlisting on Dec 8th 1941. When the enlistment officer saw him he just smiled and told him to go home and take his rest. Knowing the horror that he experienced in WW I, my grandfatther took his son to the train station, shook his hand an wished his son the best as my dad boarded the train to his own uncertain future. It's called duty and doing what's right.

We are so proud of our Grandfather and all of our the veterans in our family from the Revolutionary War, Civil War, WWI, WWII, Vietnam, Desert Storm. We are also finished with the lunacy that has squandered the fruits of our family's struggle, sacrifice and suffering.

Game on liars, lunatics and lazy worthless protesting scum.... I personally have had enough....

Post of the year.

+1 Thanks for clearing that up! hehe

[Hawk]

Funny how often my name came up.

Let me make it clear. I am disappointed in Obama. I've spent time pointing out his negative attributes yet the conservative RPers pass over it.

What I don't like and what I do like just happens to be some of the same things Democrats like and Obama just happens to be the head representative of the Democratic party.

I never liked trickle down economics. The 1% are hoarding nearly Two Trillion Dollars. They could easily let it trickle down but they don't want to. By purposefully hoarding the money (yes, it IS their money) they can keep people afraid of loosing their jobs and kill unions and get wages down, all to their benefit. All Of this is supported by the Republicans.

More miners were recently killed yet it is the Republicans / Conservatives that want less regulations.

Mercury in the water is at a dangerous level and is dangerous for the unborn. Children are susceptible to mercury poising from eating fish. There are some States where the fish are not safe to eat by anyone. Mercury is put there via burning coal. The Republicans want to cut regulations on poisoning the next generation.

EDIT: If you are for less regulations on polution I dare you to go out and drink rain water as it is now. You want less regulations ?

I can go on...

[Gallowglass]

During the Greatest Generation's time, it was also socially acceptable to beat your wife and Jim Crow was in full swing. While I am thankful for those who served in the military during that time, I have trouble viewing any generational cohort either through rose-tinted glasses or with extreme cynicism. It just smacks of a metanarrative to me. Additionally, I'm always skeptical of previous generations' melodramatics of a current generation's values, norms, and mores somehow going to be the unraveling of society. I'm sure there were cohorts in ancient Aztec culture thinking the young'uns were going to destroy society....

+1, I generally agree with what Paul is asserting here. I myself get sick of hearing about this "greatest generation" (a moniker perpetuated largely by that humble generation themselves). This is also the generation that let Roosevelt shred the Constitution while they applauded. What are they remembered for?...Depression and War...that's one hell of a legacy. Today they are taking WAY more than their fair share of Social Security (while bankrupting their grandchildren), having paid paid pennies on the dollar because "hey, they paid into it". Of course as a whole the generation before them might have been worse, they let Wilson completely ruin the American way of life and that generation's leaders virtually assured the Second World War by bankrupting Germany so badly that someone like the the Nazi's actually looked like a viable alternative for leadership (not that I'm excusing that one, either).

Look, I don't have any problem with any generation as long as we view them as individuals. Having been dubbed part of some "Generation X", I understand the dangers of lumping people into these generational constructs. My generation will be known as the people who helped elect Obama (shudder), and allowed the destruction of our freedoms further by allowing our own version of the Gestapo (Homeland Security) to label us all "Terrorists" while we wage war and interfere with other nation's sovereignty all over the globe.

[lonewolf]

There are regulations and then there are regulations. Regulations aren't worth squat if they don't regulate what needs regulated.

And Bill, I have said over and over and over and over and over that most small-government people don't want to eliminate regulations, just the myriad of ones that don't work. You just don't seem to remember that.

The early work of the EPA was excellent and necessary. If it would go back to policing polluters, including mercury level violators, we'd all be better off. Unfortunately, they have expanded into other markets and, as typical with government, grown too big to do anybody any good.

Since today's politicians do what is politically expedient and ideological rather than what is necessary for effective regulation, don't expect any effective regulation. See Dodd-Frank and Sarbanes-Oxley. Neither one addresses the problems that proponents advertised and they have a hell of a lot more to do with the "hoarded" $2 trillion than any vast capitalist conspiracy.

Contrary to democrat belief, there is no regulation that is going to prevent a mine disaster. There never has been and never will be. Making mine engineers spend most of their time complying with meaningless regulations takes away from time that could be better spent designing a better and safer mine.

Once again, in an effort to solve problems they know nothing about, politicians instead create more problems.

[lonewolf]

I think that the biggest "generational" change that occurred after the New Deal and WWII is that only a very small percentage of people now pay any attention to politics.

How often have you heard "I don't discuss politics or religion."

I can understand the religion part, but politics?

That's just plain apathetic ignorance.

[songsmith]

yo stumpy, the Earned Income Tax Refund IS for those who don't pay income tax. It is pure, straight, 100% direct government welfare payment from those who do pay income taxes.

Yo, mouth-breather, most of us who have family who still talk to us have gotten an income-tax refund (even YOU), and many regularly get an Earned Income Tax Credit. Now you're lambasting everyone who actually works, for keeping their money. BTW, why don't they call unemployment checks, "EARNED unemployment compensation?"

You posted it, I don't have to prove where and when, you did. I am not the only one who remembers you posting that.

Actually, I don't see anyone jumping to your defense. I didn't post it, you did. You ARE the only one who remembers it, and I am challenging you directly: Prove your point, or be a LIAR. I am calling you a LIAR. Prove you are not lying.

As others have pointed out, unemployment compensation, of which I used to receive, is from the money taken out of every paycheck in case you are unemployed. I paid into that fund for 40 years, and every penny I received is money I put there. I never came close to recovering what I paid into that fund for 40 years..

I didn't ask how UC works, Joe, I already know, having paid into it for 31 years, and received benefits for 2-3 months. I actually do what you say everyone but you should do: work a 'lesser" job instead of sitting on my ass. You have famously criticized me for working "part-time retail," because obviously that is "beneath you." I know of a number of local musicians (and, admittedly, fan-boi's like you) who work retail, and you don't work at all.
Let's recap: in one venom-laced diatribe, you have criticized pretty much everyone here who has kids and gets a tax refund, and placed yourself above those of us whose jobs don't measure up to your "station in life."

Even morons like you should be able to understand the difference. But you refuse to, it makes for better ideological (although incomprehensible in your case) rants.

Most people have a fair enough vocabulary to understand my points, and I can't dumb it down any further for you... especially you. Suffice to say that you post something you saw on some blog, I posit a view that shows how silly you are for doing so, and you spazz out like I wanted you to, proving my view. If you can't understand, that's your problem, and I can't install intelligence where there is none.
Now, as I asked before, What entitles you to sit around on your voluminous, pastey ass while my 67-yr-old mother works fulltime? (again, intelligence and hard work are off the table, as I have seen both her work ethic and yours in action.)