THE POLITICAL ARENA!!! Political Gladiators Inside!!

[Banned]

It was an acceptable size until 1964 when LBJ created the "Great Society"

We've been going downhill ever since.

The size of government started to get out of hand starting in 1913 with the start of the federal income tax and the FED.

[f.sciarrillo]

In light of this:

http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washin ... ow-carters

You can now say this:



Polls mean nothing, but I just thought this was funny.

[f.sciarrillo]

On another note: Herman Cain dropped out of the race.

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la ... 9996.story

[lonewolf]

I miss the show "Get A Life". I guess it hit a little too close to home to become popular.

Digging pretty deep there, Jeff, for the early Fox sitcom reference. Are we gonna have a Shaky Ground or Herman's Head reference next? *lol*

Hmmm, never saw those other two...i'll have to check them out.

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85-year-old woman may sue TSA after being strip searched at JFK Airport

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nationa ... z1fWNyCnZ9


All you socialist authoritarians can now feel safe. Your police state is in full control of things.

[songsmith]

There are no socialist authoritarians here, only fascist authoritarians, and you're the only one of those.

[Banned]

When you want more money stolen from more Americans, that makes you socialistic and authoritarian.

[songsmith]

Hermann's gone. America said "Nein, Nein, Nein!" The fact that anyone even paid attention to a "former" lobbyist, let alone the destructive nature of 9/9/9, is a statement about the right's base. What next, the "regular guy" who was boning two other women while his wife was dying and he was crucifying Clinton for getting a Lewinski?... The "regular guy" who has a $500,000 bill and $2M in revolving credit at Tiffany's?... The career politician who orchestrated the Republican party's downfall?
Yeah, him.
NEXT!!

[f.sciarrillo]

Hermann's gone. America said "Nein, Nein, Nein!" The fact that anyone even paid attention to a "former" lobbyist, let alone the destructive nature of 9/9/9, is a statement about the right's base. What next, the "regular guy" who was boning two other women while his wife was dying and he was crucifying Clinton for getting a Lewinski?... The "regular guy" who has a $500,000 bill and $2M in revolving credit at Tiffany's?... The career politician who orchestrated the Republican party's downfall?
Yeah, him.
NEXT!!

It is obvious that you will be voting liberal in 2012, seeing that you are a liberal independent. Why don't you just register to what party you really are?

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[quote="songsmith" he was crucifying Clinton for getting a Lewinski?... [/quote]

Is that the liberal term for lying under oath and trying to convince a government employee to also lie under oath to protect him?

[songsmith]

[quote="songsmith" he was crucifying Clinton for getting a Lewinski?...

Is that the liberal term for lying under oath and trying to convince a government employee to also lie under oath to protect him?[/quote]

No, Joe, that's a blowjob. I know you've never had one, look it up.

[songsmith]

It is obvious that you will be voting liberal in 2012, seeing that you are a liberal independent. Why don't you just register to what party you really are?

Boo hoo, Frank. Another flavor-of-the-month felled by his own predilections. I personally don't care who he was boinking, he's a lobbyist and that's the last thing I want to see on a presidential candidate's resume. Plus there's the whole taxation shell game, complete lack of foreign-policy knowledge, unfitness for the office of President, and Godfather's is truly horrible pizza.
I will likely be registering Republican in 2012, temporarily, so I can vote in the primary, as many of the Democrats will be doing. I threatened to do it so I could help Sarah Palin meet President Obama in a debate, but it turned out she has the jungle fever, and Tea Partiers do NOT like that. She hasn't been on Fox News since that story was confirmed!
So, you tell me, as a soon-to-be Republican, who do I vote for? Michele Bachmann or Rick Perry, for the Palin-like comedy of it? Frooty Newt, so we can get the gory details on his cheating on his dying wife? Romney, so we can see how Romneycare is basically Obamacare on a state level? Ron Paul?... Nah, I wouldn't vote for him, if only because joe wants me to. Maybe I should take a completely different tack, and vote for Jon Huntsman, because he actually seems rather sane so far, and might actually be the best candidate for the office.
I guess we'll see... I'll vote however does the most damage to the far right. I learned that from Rush Limbaugh, from 2008 "Operation Chaos". I think you're going to be seeing alot of underhanded tactics from 2008 and 2010 being used against the team that dreamed them up. How ironic would it be for Rush if Bachmann had to go against Obama?

[Merge]

Social Security isn't socialism. If I pay into it, and then collect years later, technically I'm just getting my money back. As for the tax cuts, I think if Obama and Congress had the opportunity to let them expire and chose not to, that these tax cuts have their names on them. That's just my opinion, though.

If this is regarding my last post, then I don't think you got the crux of it.

Last year, they stole $68 billion from SSI as part of the "Obama tax cut extension for the rich" when they cut employee "payroll" FICA witholding from 6.2% to 4.2%. Its one of those pesky little details they slip into legislation that the public rarely hears about or notices.

Now, they want to rob Social Security even more by cutting the FICA witholding in half for both employees and employers from 6.2% to 3.1%. If passed, it will result in about $200 billion per year stolen directly from Social Security witholding in order to buy some votes. They are spinning it like its regular income tax, but its not...its SSI witholding.

Social Security is in bad enough shape without them robbing it and the people who rely on it right now. You know...all those people who paid in the full amount all of their lives and never got a day's break from paying it.


Yep, you pay into it, but if they keep doing this kind of thing, you won't get anything back out of it.

I was referring to the previous post by Songsmith.

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[quote="songsmith" he was crucifying Clinton for getting a Lewinski?...

Is that the liberal term for lying under oath and trying to convince a government employee to also lie under oath to protect him?

No, Joe, that's a blowjob. I know you've never had one, look it up. [/quote]


DUH! That is why he was not crucified for a blowjob. It was for lying under oath, a first for a president, and for trying to get a white house employee to lie for him. Liberals always seem to forget that.

[f.sciarrillo]

It is obvious that you will be voting liberal in 2012, seeing that you are a liberal independent. Why don't you just register to what party you really are?

Boo hoo, Frank. Another flavor-of-the-month felled by his own predilections. I personally don't care who he was boinking, he's a lobbyist and that's the last thing I want to see on a presidential candidate's resume. Plus there's the whole taxation shell game, complete lack of foreign-policy knowledge, unfitness for the office of President, and Godfather's is truly horrible pizza.
I will likely be registering Republican in 2012, temporarily, so I can vote in the primary, as many of the Democrats will be doing. I threatened to do it so I could help Sarah Palin meet President Obama in a debate, but it turned out she has the jungle fever, and Tea Partiers do NOT like that. She hasn't been on Fox News since that story was confirmed!
So, you tell me, as a soon-to-be Republican, who do I vote for? Michele Bachmann or Rick Perry, for the Palin-like comedy of it? Frooty Newt, so we can get the gory details on his cheating on his dying wife? Romney, so we can see how Romneycare is basically Obamacare on a state level? Ron Paul?... Nah, I wouldn't vote for him, if only because joe wants me to. Maybe I should take a completely different tack, and vote for Jon Huntsman, because he actually seems rather sane so far, and might actually be the best candidate for the office.
I guess we'll see... I'll vote however does the most damage to the far right. I learned that from Rush Limbaugh, from 2008 "Operation Chaos". I think you're going to be seeing alot of underhanded tactics from 2008 and 2010 being used against the team that dreamed them up. How ironic would it be for Rush if Bachmann had to go against Obama?

At which point you will vote for Obama in the main election. You said you want to vote for whoever does the most damage. Obama is your man. there is no one who can do more damage than he already has. Even the left wing megaphones are starting to realize that. Well, the ones that don't believe everything they hear coming out of his mouth, hint, hint

[songsmith]

No, Joe, that's a blowjob. I know you've never had one, look it up.

DUH! That is why he was not crucified for a blowjob. It was for lying under oath, a first for a president, and for trying to get a white house employee to lie for him. Liberals always seem to forget that.
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Riiiiiight. Wingers always seem to forget the pre-Fox News smear game they were running on Clinton, and continue to rewrite history to the same tune.
Lewinski was set up by Linda Tripp, an operative for Ken Starr, whose job it was to destroy the Clinton presidency. Clinton lied about a BJ, because he's married. The Starr "investigation" was supposed to be about Whitewater, and no Clinton crime was ever even uncovered, much less proven. It was a witch-hunt from beginning to end, and it FAILED. Everything else was courtesy of one Newton Gingrich, who , at that time, was having an affair or two (or more) of his own, while finger-pointing. He shut down the government in the first place, leading to his FIRST political demise, and now he wants a second chance to screw things up.
Bill Clinton was very effective, both sides benefitted tremendously from his presidency, and if he could run again, I'd vote for him in a nanosecond.
But alas, along came Bush II, and the rise of the joes of the world, using 9/11 to their own ends. Luckily, America now only really uses the neo-cons for their entertainment value.

[songsmith]

At which point you will vote for Obama in the main election. :

Um, yeah, Frank, that's kind of the point. Rush didn't want people to vote for Hillary in the general election, he just wanted to beat Obama. How'd that work out? In that case, Hillary still would have beaten McCain-Palin, as the whole thing was a referendum against Bush and the far-right.
I'm not doing it because I suddenly believe in the GOP. It's my own little symbolic act of political sabotage. I really don't think I need to vote at all, because there's still nobody in the GOP field who can unseat Obama, but as always, I'm going to use my vote to cancel out the vote of a neoconservative.

[f.sciarrillo]

At which point you will vote for Obama in the main election. :

Um, yeah, Frank, that's kind of the point. Rush didn't want people to vote for Hillary in the general election, he just wanted to beat Obama. How'd that work out? In that case, Hillary still would have beaten McCain-Palin, as the whole thing was a referendum against Bush and the far-right.
I'm not doing it because I suddenly believe in the GOP. It's my own little symbolic act of political sabotage. I really don't think I need to vote at all, because there's still nobody in the GOP field who can unseat Obama, but as always, I'm going to use my vote to cancel out the vote of a neoconservative.

I haven't found anyone worth voting for yet, myself. I don't trust either side. I seen what Obama can do, and I don't believe what the right is saying about anything. I will have to figure it out soon though, as I will probably just vote for the one who I think will do the least damage. But then, who can make things any worse than they already are? I will also be changing my affiliation temporarily, so I can vote in the primaries.

[lonewolf]

Business would have to pay, too, the same way: off the gross, like us. They use our infrastructure, and enjoy the fruits of the largest market in the world, while expoiting the workforce. They deserve a share of the responsibility.

People who receive a paycheck from an employer don't pay income tax "off the gross." Income tax witholding is based on the gross income because its assumed that the employee is not going to incur significant expenses when working for income. If there are legitimate expenses, the employee can write them off on their income tax return just like a business does on their income statements.

Self-employed people like plumbers and electricians would get tax slaughtered if they had to pay income tax "off the gross." Its bad enough that they have to pay double on FICA.

Employees and employers both pay FICA witholding "off the gross" -- the employee's gross.

[songsmith]

When I can pay taxes only on my net profits, and have the ability to manipulate what that number is, when I no longer have to pay sales tax... when I can deduct every meal I eat, all my utility bills, and every mile I drive, it will be "fair." After all, I am a job-creator. I create wealth with the sweat of my brow, not exploit it with a signature on a dotted line. I create demand for goods and services, as a consumer, which creates the need for people to provide said goods and services. The elites only manage the wealth I create, and take an all-too-large piece of it.

[lonewolf]

When I can pay taxes only on my net profits, and have the ability to manipulate what that number is, when I no longer have to pay sales tax... when I can deduct every meal I eat, all my utility bills, and every mile I drive, it will be "fair." After all, I am a job-creator. I create wealth with the sweat of my brow, not exploit it with a signature on a dotted line. I create demand for goods and services, as a consumer, which creates the need for people to provide said goods and services. The elites only manage the wealth I create, and take an all-too-large piece of it.

You are not a job-creator. You are a job receiver with an entitlement complex.

I can only imagine if the world really was fair and we only got exactly what we deserved!

[songsmith]

Ooh, Buuuurrrrrnnnn!! I've been thinking the same thing: Isn't being a career politician who supports the global warming theory and socialized healthcare a bad thing anymore?
http://www.businessweek.com/politics-po ... html#share

I'm starting to think the problem with the Tea Party is that they don't remember the day before yesterday, or know how to use Google. And all because they ab-so-freaking-lutely do NOT want a mainstream candidate, and are willing to destroy the country to achieve that. I mean seriously, Donald Trump? Donald Trump?
Wow.

[songsmith]

You are not a job-creator. You are a job receiver with an entitlement complex.

I can only imagine if the world really was fair and we only got exactly what we deserved!

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! Job receiver! Holy Jeez, that's a scream, did you make that up just now? Yeah!! That's awesome. And you added that I have an entitlement complex. Pot, kettle. Kettle, pot. You just made my day, I'm going to have to take a screenshot of this one. OMG!
The rest of us don't really work, we just sponge off our "superiors" and go home tired because we're lazy. Ditches dig themselves, because some necktie told them to. The Kardashians "deserve" what they have. Bernie Madoff "deserved" a few billion, and his victims deserved to lose it, because they're stupid... and overly trusting. Pensioners "deserve" to lose their pension, because they spent 40 years d*cking off, and trusted their employers.
Man, I don't even have to work at this anymore.
You have a good day. You deserve it! You just made my world a little brighter.

[lonewolf]

You are not a job-creator. You are a job receiver with an entitlement complex.

I can only imagine if the world really was fair and we only got exactly what we deserved!

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! Job receiver! Holy Jeez, that's a scream, did you make that up just now? Yeah!! That's awesome. And you added that I have an entitlement complex. Pot, kettle. Kettle, pot.

Where do you get this pot/kettle stuff?

I am amused that you would even attempt to compare your situation to mine.

I am completely independent and on my own--I am not anyone's employee and receive no subsidies from the government (you know, like EIC). I live alone and do not rely on a wife as the primary breadwinner in my household. There is a good chance that I pay more income taxes each year for hanging out and surfing the web than you report as income from your "job."

[songsmith]

Relax, Jeffy, I was talking about your entitlement complex. Thanks for making my point better than I ever could. Nobody makes more money, is smarter, works harder, etc., than you.
I think you just learned something about yourself.
Nah, probably not.