THE POLITICAL ARENA!!! Political Gladiators Inside!!

[songsmith]

[Still waiting for you to tell us who the "handwriting experts" are who can prove Obama is Kenyan by birth.

Here is one.

http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=357621

A quick search and you will find many more. They can only prove the certificate was a forgery. Who knows where he was born? How did an 18 yr old in Hawaii get a Connecticut SS number, could you explain that one, mr. i believe everything the state tells me?

A quick Wiki, and we get the writer, Jerome Corsi's bio:
"...Jerome Robert Corsi (born August 31, 1946) is an American author, political commentator and conspiracy theorist[1][2] best known for his two New York Times bestselling books: The Obama Nation and Unfit for Command (with co-author John O'Neill). Both books, the former written in 2008 and the latter in 2004, attacked Democratic presidential candidates and were criticized for including numerous inaccuracies.[3][4][5]

In other books and columns for conservative websites such as WorldNetDaily and Human Events, Corsi has discussed topics that are considered conspiracy theories in some circles, such as the alleged plans for a North American Government, the theory that President Barack Obama is not an American citizen;[6] criticism of the United States government for allegedly covering up information about the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001,[7] promoting the Abiogenic hypothesis of the origin of oil (arguing that oil is produced from chemical reactions in the Earth, in contrast to the general consensus of the scientific community that oil is produced from organic materials, such as zooplankton and algae), and alleged United States support of Iran in its attempts to develop nuclear weapons.[8][9][10]"

Your "expert" is an anti-Obama conspiracy theorist like you. Not a handwriting expert, a nut-blogger. He's a 9/11 Truther who thinks we're supporting Iran's nuke ambitions, and oil is not made of ancient organic material, but is the result of a recent chemical reaction (so it squares with the anti-science belief that the world is 6000 yrs old).

I could dig further into his "expert" status, but I bet you wouldn't like what I find. So...
Do you believe everything whacko rightwing bloggers tell you? They don't have to be factual, you know. They only have to be interesting to other conspiracy-theorist/paranoics enough to get read.

[songsmith]

He also wrote "Unfit For Command," for the wonderful Karl Rove and Koch Bros.-backed Swiftboat Veterans For Truth, a pseudo-political hitsquad, who have been completely discredited and disbanded after everyone realized there could not have been 3000 people who witnessed John Kerry's injury in SE Asia.
The truth has no relevance to Jerry Corsi, but you don't let that stand in the way, do you?

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He also wrote "Unfit For Command," for the wonderful Karl Rove and Koch Bros.-backed Swiftboat Veterans For Truth, a pseudo-political hitsquad, who have been completely discredited and disbanded after everyone realized there could not have been 3000 people who witnessed John Kerry's injury in SE Asia.
The truth has no relevance to Jerry Corsi, but you don't let that stand in the way, do you?

I consider it a badge of honor to be "discredited" by liberal socialists. You know you are doing the right thing if MSNBC and statists from Altoona "discredit" you instead of argue the facts.

If they don't call you a racist for disagreeing with them, the next step to to claim you are "discredited".

[songsmith]

I consider it a badge of honor to be "discredited" by liberal socialists. You know you are doing the right thing if MSNBC and statists from Altoona "discredit" you instead of argue the facts.

If they don't call you a racist for disagreeing with them, the next step to to claim you are "discredited".

That's right, joe, don't let reality get in your way. Incidentally, Johnny Songsmith didn't discredit you, THE FACTS discredited you, I simply reported them. I am not a Birther, and never was. Of course I'm not a liberal socialist, either, but you're running on empty in the ol' credibility tank, so say what you will... people know what's up.

"If they don't call you a socialist for disagreeing with them, the next step is to post a blogpost."

[songsmith]

It has already been said, I seen it on CNN, that Obama is afraid of Romney. It will be interesting to see how it turns out with them two. I think Romney wil pick Rubio or Christy as his running mate.

You keep saying that, Frank, but I just don't see it in the polls. The one I saw on CBS last night had Cain, Romney and (really?) Newt Gingrich running neck-and-neck-and-neck, around 18% (of likely republican voters, not the overall). Obama's still in the 40+% range OVERALL. Obama being "afraid" of Romney is simply a casual tactic, like when a football coach says in a pre-game interview that he's worried about how well the other team's been playing lately, that it may be a tough game. It's gamesmanship.
I also have to wonder if Romney will pick Rubio... the tactic of choosing a hard-right running mate to please the base didn't work so well for McCain in 2008. Christie has said time and again that he won't accept a national office this time around, and will likely never do so. You have to hand it to the guy, he appears to be able to see through it all.

[lonewolf]

I'd keep an eye on Gingrich.

Say what you want about him, but he is the only Speaker of the House to bring us to budgetary balance since the Vietnam War.

And somehow, he even persuaded Bill Clinton to sign it!

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I consider it a badge of honor to be "discredited" by liberal socialists. You know you are doing the right thing if MSNBC and statists from Altoona "discredit" you instead of argue the facts.

If they don't call you a racist for disagreeing with them, the next step to to claim you are "discredited".

That's right, joe, don't let reality get in your way. Incidentally, Johnny Songsmith didn't discredit you, THE FACTS discredited you, I simply reported them. I am not a Birther, and never was. Of course I'm not a liberal socialist, either, but you're running on empty in the ol' credibility tank, so say what you will... people know what's up.

"If they don't call you a socialist for disagreeing with them, the next step is to post a blogpost."

What you call facts, I of course see as pure spin. A person who defends this socialist government as strongly as you, and who hates corporations as much as you is defined as a liberal socialist. You actions define you, not anything I print.

[RobTheDrummer]

I like Herman Cain still....I watched the half-assed debate tonight and he's really the only one that gives clear practical answers and doesn't beat around the bush. The worst is definitely Rick Perry, dude can't answer a question without talking around it. Ron Paul is just weird....just something about him that rubs me the wrong way. Romney just strikes me as a cookie cutter type. Newt isn't terrible, he seems more like a realist like Cain. Forget about the other ones, they are dead in the water.

[songsmith]

That's right, joe, don't let reality get in your way. Incidentally, Johnny Songsmith didn't discredit you, THE FACTS discredited you, I simply reported them. I am not a Birther, and never was. Of course I'm not a liberal socialist, either, but you're running on empty in the ol' credibility tank, so say what you will... people know what's up.

"If they don't call you a socialist for disagreeing with them, the next step is to post a blogpost."

What you call facts, I of course see as pure spin. A person who defends this socialist government as strongly as you, and who hates corporations as much as you is defined as a liberal socialist. You actions define you, not anything I print.

You display an inability to distinguish between fact and opinion. Jerome Corsi does not have any handwriting analysis credentials, this is a fact. Jerome Corsi has written a book that supported the Karl Rove PAC, Swiftboats Veterans For Truth, this is a fact. The term "swiftboating" means to question one's patriotism and credibility within an election, this is fact, and comes directly from said Swiftboat Veterans For Truth's smear attempt in 2004, also fact. That I defend a "socialist government," and am defined as a "liberal socialist,"... PURE OPINION. These are your definitions, to be taken seriously by you and you alone. I'm starting to fell kind of bad that you can't tell the difference between opinion and fact.
Let me help you:
When someone says the sky is up, that's a fact.
When someone says the sky is pretty, that's opinion.

When someone says Reagan was a president, that is fact.
When someone says Reagan was a good president, that is opinion.

When someone says Ron Paul is running for president, that is factual. When someone says Ron Paul is the only possible choice for freedom, that is opinion.

When I say I have many years experience as a musician, and you have little or none, that is fact.
When you say I suck, that is opinion.

Are you getting this? I didn't think so, and I bet you just keep doing your thing... but's just my opinion, until you make it fact.

[lonewolf]

I like Herman Cain still....I watched the half-assed debate tonight and he's really the only one that gives clear practical answers and doesn't beat around the bush. The worst is definitely Rick Perry, dude can't answer a question without talking around it. Ron Paul is just weird....just something about him that rubs me the wrong way. Romney just strikes me as a cookie cutter type. Newt isn't terrible, he seems more like a realist like Cain. Forget about the other ones, they are dead in the water.

I think Perry should step down as governor of Texas and become a comedian.

[f.sciarrillo]

Obama shows once again that he hates Israel.

http://www.smh.com.au/world/obamas-gaff ... 1n7dr.html

He claims that he wants peace in the middle east. Yeah, his peace is as long as Israel gives all up to the Palestinians. If anything more, this is what is keeping me from supporting him. His constant barrage of hate towards Israel is getting ridiculous.

[shredder138]

Fuck Isreal, they're just a big pain in the ass!

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Ron Paul got only 89 seconds to speak at the CBS debate. What is the media afraid of?

http://www.infowars.com/ron-paul-gets-8 ... bs-debate/

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The National Federal Debt has now gone over $15 TRILLION.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... -trillion/

[shredder138]

That's givin you a chubby huh, lol.

[Banned]

That's givin you a chubby huh, lol.

The thought making our grandchildren indentured servants in a debtor nation is just sad. This illegal administration is piling up debt that our grandchildren will be paying. They will hate us for letting this happen.

[shredder138]

That's givin you a chubby huh, lol.

The thought making our grandchildren indentured servants in a debtor nation is just sad. This illegal administration is piling up debt that our grandchildren will be paying. They will hate us for letting this happen.

I was actually commenting on a pic that, for some reason, is no longer there.

[songsmith]

That's givin you a chubby huh, lol.

The thought making our grandchildren indentured servants in a debtor nation is just sad. This illegal administration is piling up debt that our grandchildren will be paying. They will hate us for letting this happen.

Well, we all hate paying for the Reagan years, they said the exact same thing about him. In fact, that's where they got the phrase "our children, and our children's children," from a 1984 political ad against Reagan. It must have stung the Reaganites, because in typical Karl Rove fashion, it's being used by those same Reaganites against Obama.
Just what we need... more B.S. that didn't work 30 years ago.

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That's givin you a chubby huh, lol.

The thought making our grandchildren indentured servants in a debtor nation is just sad. This illegal administration is piling up debt that our grandchildren will be paying. They will hate us for letting this happen.

Well, we all hate paying for the Reagan years, they said the exact same thing about him. In fact, that's where they got the phrase "our children, and our children's children," from a 1984 political ad against Reagan. It must have stung the Reaganites, because in typical Karl Rove fashion, it's being used by those same Reaganites against Obama.
Just what we need... more B.S. that didn't work 30 years ago.

So you must be chomping at the bit to vote for Ron Paul who has a budget that will cut $1 TRILLION in the first year and get a balanced budget by the second year of his administration.

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The VP's meeting on Transparency is closed to the press.

http://www.politico.com/politico44/perm ... 55b8a.html


WHO COULD MAKE THIS SHIT UP?

[lonewolf]

That's givin you a chubby huh, lol.

The thought making our grandchildren indentured servants in a debtor nation is just sad. This illegal administration is piling up debt that our grandchildren will be paying. They will hate us for letting this happen.

Well, we all hate paying for the Reagan years, they said the exact same thing about him. In fact, that's where they got the phrase "our children, and our children's children," from a 1984 political ad against Reagan. It must have stung the Reaganites, because in typical Karl Rove fashion, it's being used by those same Reaganites against Obama.
Just what we need... more B.S. that didn't work 30 years ago.

They were right then and they are more right now. The whole debt problem is accelerating at a much faster rate than it was 30 years or even 5 years ago. Since interest rates are still artificially low, nobody will notice much until interest rates go up. The 5-year T-note is a good indicator. It is paying 1% now. Every time its rate doubles, the interest on the debt roughly doubles with it.

When rates start back up, the 5-year note will hit 4% and could easily go up to 8% or more.

US interest payment on the debt will go up to at least 4x present 2011 level of $454.4 billion to somewhere in the vicinity of $1.8 trillion+. The 2012 projected total revenue for the federal government is $3.0 trillion.

And that is not even taking into consideration more and more borrowing and spending every year.

SOOOoo...imagine if you made $30,000 per year and made minimum credit card payments of $18,000 per year and then borrowed another $13,000 on your credit cards just to pay all your other bills.

That is the scenario that awaits us when interest rates go back to moderate historical levels.

Its not an opinion...its simple math.

http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/repo ... xpense.htm

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SOOOoo...imagine if you made $30,000 per year and made minimum credit card payments of $18,000 per year and then borrowed another $13,000 on your credit cards just to pay all your other bills.

That is the scenario that awaits us when interest rates go back to moderate historical levels.

And you keep increasing your spending each year, although you still only make $30,000.

Of course you could not do that, you would go bankrupt and might do time for fraud. But the crooks in DC do that every day.

[songsmith]

So you must be chomping at the bit to vote for Ron Paul

You'd think, but no. Votes for Ron Paul are largely symbolic, like for Pat Paulsen, or Ralph Nader. You're just making a statement, there's little chance of a win. You only get one vote per race, you have to make it count.
Plus, I just don't think he'd make a good president. He's a smart enough guy, but his "all government is bad" routine falls far short of the mark for me, since he's been a politician for so long, and aspires to the most powerful position in, well... government. Multiple times. I also couldn't begin to imagine the people he'd have in his cabinet and other administration appointments.
I see where you're coming from, but no.

[lonewolf]

Just a little response to a political post blaming boomers for the state of things:

There is much truth to what you say, but I'd say it has more to do with the expansion of money in government than anything generational. It all started with FDR's usurpation of the Constitution in 1937 that gave the "General Welfare clause" enumeration status and for the first time, gave Congress spending powers for "social programs".

Sometime in the 1960s, politicians realized the potential for buying entire voting blocks with social spending programs like "The Great Society" and Medicare and student loans and low cost mortgages. The results are in as we have a structured underclass, a bankrupt senior health insurance system, ever higher tuitions/student debt and a housing depression that drags the economy down with it.

As the money machine grew, so did the interest from big money. The game expanded from voting blocks into big payola as politicians from both parties sold bits of the government off to their favorite business sectors.

So we rule this land and here we stand upon our paradise.

Generational? I think that was more coincidental than anything. After all, politicians are politicians and if you give them an inch they will take a mile no matter when they were born. If anything, I blame my generation (boomers) for being apathetic and a little self-serving for allowing the federal government and -- by extension -- the economic system to get completely out of control.

As long as Congress has virtually unlimited spending powers from the "General Welfare Clause", don't expect anything to change except our standard of living.

[Hawk]

I like Herman Cain still....I watched the half-assed debate tonight and he's really the only one that gives clear practical answers and doesn't beat around the bush. The worst is definitely Rick Perry, dude can't answer a question without talking around it. Ron Paul is just weird....just something about him that rubs me the wrong way. Romney just strikes me as a cookie cutter type. Newt isn't terrible, he seems more like a realist like Cain. Forget about the other ones, they are dead in the water.

What a joke. He knows nothing about foreign countries and he is proud of his lack of knowledge. When did ignorance become a Republican virtue ? He's proud to say he'll figure things out AFTER he's president. Hell he could learn more about politics if he took the time to read a newspaper, or just read Rockpage.