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All I can say is that I hope justice will be served. Forget Joe, football and psu!!!!!!!! Who gives a shit about a fucking GAME!!!!!!!!!!!! YOUNG CHILDREN WERE SEXUALLY ATTACKED! !!!!!!!!!!!!! AND by justice I mean the one person who is truely guilty will be punished but Fuckina everybody knows that when this is all said and done he will have a protected jail sentence. Its sad. REAL JUSTICE NEEDS SERVED
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onegunguitar wrote:http://www.altoonamirror.com/page/conte ... ml?nav=742

Sounds to me like he still has a job coaching...for now.
I look for the pressure to force him to quit. Another school will pick him up.
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What I also find troubling is that hysterical people use "what about the children" as a poor excuse to discard what little semblance of civilization is left in our society and take up the torch and pitchfork.

There is no question that the children are the ones who have and will suffer the most from this tragedy. I am confident that they will get some measure of solace when the Sandusky monster gets his due. I also have no doubt that the University, whether ordered to or not, will step up and see that some measure of civil justice is done, as the effect of these heinous acts cannot be undone. At the very least, the victims will not want or need for the rest of their lives.

With all of the torches and pitchforks and fists in the air, did anybody ever think to ask the victims what they thought or how these actions might affect them?

*A deafening silence as profound as when the whale swallowed Jonah*

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Betcha Sandusky didn't!!!
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I don't think there is such a thing as justice for crimes of this nature.
There's no restoration of innocence, there's no restitution that returns faith in humanity, and no jail term that eases the long-term effects of such victimization. Even a death sentence doesn't fully fit the crime.
The whole thing saddens me, and I don't give a tinker's damn about football, or any other game. Like I said, this will go down in history as possibly the most tragic story in football history.
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songsmith wrote:I don't think there is such a thing as justice for crimes of this nature.
There's no restoration of innocence, there's no restitution that returns faith in humanity, and no jail term that eases the long-term effects of such victimization. Even a death sentence doesn't fully fit the crime.
The whole thing saddens me, and I don't give a tinker's damn about football, or any other game. Like I said, this will go down in history as possibly the most tragic story in football history.
Yes, you are correct, i needed to use "some measure" for both sentences...i'll fix that.
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"A Patriot-News Special Report: Who knew what about Jerry Sandusky? There were many missed chances to investigate as early as 1995"

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index. ... _sand.html

This shit goes back as far as 1995!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

There are rumors on the sports talk shows that many on the PSU football program knew about this. Spanier and JoePa might just be the first to go.

What young high school athlete will ever want to commit to playing for PSU?
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Here is an article from the BBC's website that summarizes a little of my own view of JoePa's alleged role in this. It says that as a society, we're ALL prone to turning our heads the other way when faced with such a situation:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-15668834

This quote especially resonated with me:
"All of us over-estimate our likelihood of being a hero, and the ease with which we would go ahead and do the right thing," says David Finkelhor, director of the Crimes Against Children Research Center at the University of New Hampshire. "Faced with the unbelievable consequences that the disclosure might have, their will collapses, and they are unable to do the right thing."
So while Joe is being vilified now for not taking further action, in the end analysis, he is human like the rest of us. We can all say we would be the hero and that we would blow the whistle, but if faced with that situation, in the shock and the pressure of the moment, would we?

Hindsight is always 20/20.
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Hindsight might also be showing us that the "good ole boy" network at Penn State football was more important than the safety of children.

When janitors also witnessed Sandusky raping boys, they were afraid to go against the power structure of Penn State Football. That is a sick culture.

How many other coaches and administrators knew this was going on for maybe 16 years? This guy was investigated several times and was still given the use of PSU facilities??? If I heard a rumor of a neighbor doing such things and had no evidence, I would still not let him alone with my children.

Was there not a man with a backbone in that whole organization, or was Penn State Football like the mafia, no one talks?
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Here's another article from Fox that explores the same concept, a little deeper:

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2011/11/ ... nos-shoes/
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Some ESPN talkers say that the Penn State football program might be severely damaged for up to 10 years. What All American prospect would want to go there now?

Maybe this is the punishment for nobody there with the balls to tell JoePa that the game had passed him by 10 years ago. (some feel it has been longer, its been 25 years since the last National Championship)
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I think the fate of the football program will rest on how the University acts and rebounds in the aftermath of this crisis. Taking full accountability for what happened and implementing immediate and very public steps to respond to this situation is an important first step.

Then I think the university's primary objectives as an educational institution can provide some of the next steps. Investigating, studying and researching the various layers of this situation and the issues of child abuse in general...And coming up with societal solutions that enable us to recognize problems and be more proactive in dealing with them...In short, being proactive, aggressive and public in taking the leadership role in looking for solutions to child abuse and society's reactions to it from all angles. If the university can publicly turn this horrible wrong into some right by advancing research and solutions to child abuse issues and child protection, it would restore a lot of faith and confidence in Penn State and what it really represents.

If done successfully, it leaves the scars of this current situation further behind in the rear view mirror, and works toward restoring University Park as a proactive and leading institution where parents will want to send their kids in the future. If public confidence in the university itself is restored, renewed confidence in a rebuilt football program should follow as well.
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Former Steelers great Franco Harris weighs in:

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsbu ... 66805.html
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Jim Price wrote:...In short, being proactive, aggressive and public in taking the leadership role in looking for solutions to child abuse and society's reactions to it from all angles.
Doing exactly what the deities of PSU Football did NOT do.

I will look for a complete housecleaning of all coaches as soon as the season is over.

What coach will want to clean up this mess?
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Here's another angle of this story...This article explores how downsizing of news budgets and news divisions (as a result of the economic times and media companies merging into conglomerates) may have played into the initial word about this travesty taking so long to be reported:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/11/ ... 3420111111
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"But a combination of other factors converged to keep the accusations under wraps, including:

>> Shrinking news budgets that have undermined investigative journalism

>> A press-wary football program in a remote location

>> Police who reportedly dissuaded victims from talking to journalists

>> A lackluster response by Penn State that some have likened to a cover-up

>> A reticence to brand Sandusky as a pedophile without definitive evidence"

The highlighted reason has to outweigh all the others by a large magnitude.

It there was the proper response 16 years ago, none of this would be a story at all.
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"Sandusky, charged with 40 counts of sexual abuse against young boys, was not at home Thursday night when two pieces of cinder block went flying through the window of an unoccupied bedroom about 10:20 p.m., police said."

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/break ... house.html

Is this Perv not in jail? This sentence would seem to indicate that he could have been home, that means he is free and walking around. WTF?
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From the Pa. Attorney Generals Office:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/joe-paternos-f ... bc-fb-recs

They discuss the others in this one page at a time at the bottom.
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When the Paterno announcement happened, the first question from reporters was "Who is coaching on Saturday?" HORRIBLE!

McQueary did not call the cops or try to stop it. HORRIBLE!

Students flipped a WTAJ van over, and it seemed like more of a party atmosphere. HORRIBLE!

All the signs were ignored by university officials. HORRIBLE!

At first, I thought Paterno just retiring at the end of the season was enough, but after some thought, I think maybe this was the right call. To me, Paterno was the top of the food chain there. I don't care if there were higher ranking officials at the university. Joe Paterno was pretty much a god on campus, and if he wanted something done, the university would have followed through with anything he wanted. Don't worry students, you'll still get your game on Saturday. We don't want to scar you for life like those little kids will be.

Hell, cancelling the rest of the season would have taught the kids a valuable lesson. Your actions affect the people around you.
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undercoverjoe wrote:"Sandusky, charged with 40 counts of sexual abuse against young boys, was not at home Thursday night when two pieces of cinder block went flying through the window of an unoccupied bedroom about 10:20 p.m., police said."

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/break ... house.html

Is this Perv not in jail? This sentence would seem to indicate that he could have been home, that means he is free and walking around. WTF?
He's out on $100,000 bail.
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An Open Letter to the World From a Penn State Alum:

http://openletterfrompsualum.blogspot.c ... l?spref=fb

And for the record, I will be out at a local eatery with friends today wearing BLUE and white, watching the game and cheering for the team vs. Nebraska.
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lonewolf wrote:
undercoverjoe wrote:"Sandusky, charged with 40 counts of sexual abuse against young boys, was not at home Thursday night when two pieces of cinder block went flying through the window of an unoccupied bedroom about 10:20 p.m., police said."

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/break ... house.html

Is this Perv not in jail? This sentence would seem to indicate that he could have been home, that means he is free and walking around. WTF?
He's out on $100,000 bail.
Isn't he a threat to little boys? I think he should be behind bars, not looking for 10 years old boys.
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I'm sure he is under protective custody. I don't think people would stop at cinder blocks if they saw him out at Wal-Mart.
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He was seen shopping at Dick's Sporting Goods store in the Nittany Mall, reportedly wearing Penn State gear. Probably a good place to find 10 year old boys.

This perv should be in jail. Period.

http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/ ... y-sandusky
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