What...

[onegunguitar]

no discussion on the Sandusky child abuse allegations?

[lonewolf]

Everybody is too shocked!!!

[onegunguitar]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/sp ... 52011.html

[Hawk]

If it's true put him away for life. If anyone helped cover it up, they need significant jail time as well. Abusing children is one of the worst crimes I can think of and they all should be punished to the max.

[ZappasXWife]

The ultimate responsibility rests with Graham Spanier as he was the highest in the chain of command, he was told about it, and he dropped the ball. Also, the Second Mile organization, unfortunately as I know they probably do good work there, was told about this and they decided it was not true and did nothing. THEY decided it was not true? Wrong, wrong, wrong.

[RobTheDrummer]

Try and tell me that Joe didn't know about it.....

[lonewolf]

Try and tell me that Joe didn't know about it.....

He did and when he found out, he reported it, along with the witness to the AD, as is his duty.

I suppose he could have followed up on it, but he stepped down as AD several years earlier, so it was not his duty to investigate it.

[Jim Price]

The JoePa part of the discussion is where I'm having some problems...I guess what I need to know is what McQueary actually told him about the incident he witnessed, and then what Tim Curley told Joe when Joe reported the incident to him. If Curley assured Joe that he would take action, and kept assuring Joe in subsequent weeks and months that he was taking action, Joe might not have sensed any reason to pursue the matter further on his end. If Curley was telling Joe he was handling it, Joe may have had no reason to believe he had to do anything else.

Also...Suppose that at your job, somebody came up to you and reported that they saw one of your colleagues doing something like Sandusky was accused with. What would you do? If it were me, I'd go to my supervisor and request a closed-door meeting to report what I had been told. The supervisor would then determine the next course of action. But I wouldn't feel free to then go ahead and contact the police myself, especially if my supervisor told me he/she would take that step, and also if all I had to go on was the heresay of somebody who told me they saw something.

Joe might have viewed Mike McQueary as a trustworthy person and believed him when he reported the incident, but it was still heresay at that point - Joe is trusting the word of what somebody else said they saw - what if Joe went ahead and contacted the police, brought out these allegations against Sandusky based on heresay, and they turned out to be false? He would potentially open the university and himself to libel lawsuits and litigation.

Hindsight is 20/20, and everybody is yelling that Joe should have done something more. Maybe he should have...But I can't jump on the anti-JoePa bandwagon without knowing exactly what he knew and what he was told. Hopefully that will all be revealed as this story continues to develop.

[Hawk]

Report: Penn St. planning Paterno's exit
NewsCore


Penn State University officials are discussing how to end the historic career of football coach Joe Paterno after the school was rocked by child sex abuse charges leveled against former defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky, The New York Times reported Tuesday.

The university is reportedly still hashing out how the 84-year-old Paterno's tenure will end, but have concluded that he will not be back in 2012 for a 47th season.

Link to the whole article:
http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootbal ... dal-110811

Sad if this event is what ends his career. I hope he is innocent as JP suggested...

[ZappasXWife]

Also...Suppose that at your job, somebody came up to you and reported that they saw one of your colleagues doing something like Sandusky was accused with. What would you do? If it were me, I'd go to my supervisor and request a closed-door meeting to report what I had been told. The supervisor would then determine the next course of action. But I wouldn't feel free to then go ahead and contact the police myself, especially if my supervisor told me he/she would take that step, and also if all I had to go on was the heresay of somebody who told me they saw something.

Thats my point...why I think Spanier is the one (besides Sandusky obviously) who should be accountable. The buck stopped there.

[nakedtwister]

I agree with JP. Everyone is quick to judge Paterno based on what was reported to him. He reported the incident to a superior and expected the proper measures to be taken. They where not. Why is it that McQuerry can witness the incident, call his dad instead of the police, and there is no mention of him stepping down from his position?

[lonewolf]

Even if Paterno followed up with Curley, why would Curley tell him anything different from what he told the Grand Jury when he perjured himself?

[autumnsky]

If you witnessed something that criminal, especially with a child involved, why would you even want to "discuss" it with any one. Wouldn't you just go to the authorities so that you would be sure that some one would be aware of what was going on? How many of these things happen "behind closed doors" because of the people involved? Makes ya wonder. Also, did any one else wonder about the possible Ray Gricar (spelling?) disappearance and the connection with him becoming aware of the whole Sandusky thing around the same time? Hmmmmm. Would make for a great "made for tv" movie!!!

[Banned]

"Whatever tears exist for Paterno and his football legacy should be saved for the children."

http://espn.go.com/espn/commentary/stor ... lure-power

Bet Joepa wishes he got out a few years ago.

[onegunguitar]

The JoePa part of the discussion is where I'm having some problems...I guess what I need to know is what McQueary actually told him about the incident he witnessed, and then what Tim Curley told Joe when Joe reported the incident to him. If Curley assured Joe that he would take action, and kept assuring Joe in subsequent weeks and months that he was taking action, Joe might not have sensed any reason to pursue the matter further on his end. If Curley was telling Joe he was handling it, Joe may have had no reason to believe he had to do anything else.

Also...Suppose that at your job, somebody came up to you and reported that they saw one of your colleagues doing something like Sandusky was accused with. What would you do? If it were me, I'd go to my supervisor and request a closed-door meeting to report what I had been told. The supervisor would then determine the next course of action. But I wouldn't feel free to then go ahead and contact the police myself, especially if my supervisor told me he/she would take that step, and also if all I had to go on was the heresay of somebody who told me they saw something.

Joe might have viewed Mike McQueary as a trustworthy person and believed him when he reported the incident, but it was still heresay at that point - Joe is trusting the word of what somebody else said they saw - what if Joe went ahead and contacted the police, brought out these allegations against Sandusky based on heresay, and they turned out to be false? He would potentially open the university and himself to libel lawsuits and litigation.

Hindsight is 20/20, and everybody is yelling that Joe should have done something more. Maybe he should have...But I can't jump on the anti-JoePa bandwagon without knowing exactly what he knew and what he was told. Hopefully that will all be revealed as this story continues to develop.

Well put JP.

[onegunguitar]

Also,why couldn't The Pa. Attorney General wait to bring this all out after this weekends game? What the heck would be 1 more week at this point. This weekend is Senior Day and these young kids on the team,the cheerleaders,band members,etc. sure don't deserve their day ruined by all this.

[f.sciarrillo]

What I am wondering is this. I heard a couple of years ago about Sandusky being found doing this stuff. Why is it just now coming to indictments? I know some times an investigation can take some time. But man, these are kids you are talking about. You don't screw around and take your time when it comes to them.

Also, a ninth victim came forward today. I wondering how many more there are?

[Banned]

Neither did those kids who were anally penetrated. How many more rapes of young boys could Joepa have stopped if he took more action 9 years ago?

[onegunguitar]

Neither did those kids who were anally penetrated. How many more rapes of young boys could Joepa have stopped if he took more action 9 years ago?

Ray Gricar decided not to press charges in what,1998? It could have been stopped right then and there if he would have went through with it. But yea,let's blame Paterno,he's an easy target

[Banned]

Neither did those kids who were anally penetrated. How many more rapes of young boys could Joepa have stopped if he took more action 9 years ago?

Ray Gricar decided not to press charges in what,1998? It could have been stopped right then and there if he would have went through with it. But yea,let's blame Paterno,he's an easy target

Well Joe Pa has huge power in Happy Valley. Mike McCreary, a grad assistant 9 years ago did NOT have power. Joe Pa is now saying McCreary lied.

Joe Pa's greed and selfishness to stay on WAAAYYY past his usefulness has now got him in trouble. He is going to leave in a stinky cloud of scandal, a terrible way to go.

Still better than going through life with the memories those kids have. Joe could have prevented some, and he did not care.

[tornandfrayed]

So you walk by the shower and see a grown man molesting a young boy. You go grab him by the back of the head, bitch slap him tie his hands and take him to the police.

Story over.

Anything else is bullshit.

[lonewolf]

If you witnessed something that criminal, especially with a child involved, why would you even want to "discuss" it with any one. Wouldn't you just go to the authorities so that you would be sure that some one would be aware of what was going on? How many of these things happen "behind closed doors" because of the people involved? Makes ya wonder. Also, did any one else wonder about the possible Ray Gricar (spelling?) disappearance and the connection with him becoming aware of the whole Sandusky thing around the same time? Hmmmmm. Would make for a great "made for tv" movie!!!

McCreary should have dialed 911 the minute he saw the crime. The University Police are only a few blocks away.

If you read the indictment, Paterno's name only appears twice in the context of the events after the crime. If anybody else's name would have appeared in place of Paterno's, nobody would even bother saying a word about them, let alone wanting their head on a platter.

Gricar's disappearance doesn't really fit in with the timeline of events involving officials. He disappeared 7 years after he elected not to prosecute in 1998. I didn't see his name mentioned after 1998.

[RobTheDrummer]

McCreary and Joe shouldn't have just passed it on, they should have confronted Sandusky and went straight to the authorities. There is a moral obligation from all parties that was grossly neglected, and as a result, Sandusky was still permitted in the facilities, and as a member of the University, for years after. It really sickens me, that you could see this and just pass it along and shrug it off. What if this were your child?

[autumnsky]

Makes ya wonder how some people can live with themselves and sleep at night???!!! Guess the almighty dollar and a person's "reputation' is more important than the welfare of our children and THEIR future!!!

[lonewolf]

McCreary and Joe shouldn't have just passed it on, they should have confronted Sandusky and went straight to the authorities. There is a moral obligation from all parties that was grossly neglected, and as a result, Sandusky was still permitted in the facilities, and as a member of the University, for years after. It really sickens me, that you could see this and just pass it along and shrug it off. What if this were your child?

McCreary should have called 911 immediately. Instead, he waited a day to tell Paterno. At that point it became a non-emergency crime and protocol at Penn State for reporting a non-emergency crime is to notify the department head--the department head IS "the authorities". I know this because I worked there for 7 years and had to report stolen equipment in this manner. I found this out the hard way with the first incident when I called campus police on my own and got my ass reamed out for not going to the department head.

As much power as Paterno has, he is not a department head, in this case, the Athletic Director. Paterno once held this position but resigned from it because he didn't want all that responsibility and the coaching job at the same time. I seriously doubt that Paterno would get his ass reamed out for not going to the department head...but he did what he was supposed to do.

If a subordinate came to you a day after seeing a crime at the prison, would you immediately call the police, or report it to your supervisor or the warden?

Were you there?

That's my question, people can speculate or say all kinds of things about what happened, but if you weren't there, then you just can't say. I know this because I work in the "law enforcement" field, and see this stuff happen everyday. People will turn things into something else, and I see it with my own eyes and know they are completely off. Anyway, my point is, unless you were there, shut yer yap.