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[Banned]

There are no 10 year old boys at prison.

[songsmith]

McCreary should have called 911 immediately.

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If I'd seen something like that, Sandusky would have needed an ambulance, too. How do you witness something like that, and not do anything? I'm certain I'd be affected for the rest of my life, and I sure as hell would be willing to risk any job over it. Keeping it in-house would never even have occurred to me.
I actually met Sandusky once at a Second Mile charity golf to-do. He was an arrogant dick, I couldn't understand why everyone was saying such nice things about him.

My view on who stays and who goes? I don't want JoePa to go, it would be one of the most tragic endings in football history... but I think he SHOULD go. I think Spanier should not only step down, but possibly do some jailtime as well, if he covered up the molestation of children. McQueary should be cited with failure to report, though not do jailtime... he will pay with his reputation. The other guys should do serious time. Second Mile is poisoned, and will likely either dissolve or shuffle and find a new name.
This is a terrible shame, the Penn State Football program as we know it is probably finished, and the university itself is damaged heavily.

[f.sciarrillo]

It has been announced that Joe Paterno will retire at the end of this season.

http://content.usatoday.com/communities ... e-season/1

http://espn.go.com/college-football/sto ... end-season

[RobTheDrummer]

McCreary and Joe shouldn't have just passed it on, they should have confronted Sandusky and went straight to the authorities. There is a moral obligation from all parties that was grossly neglected, and as a result, Sandusky was still permitted in the facilities, and as a member of the University, for years after. It really sickens me, that you could see this and just pass it along and shrug it off. What if this were your child?

McCreary should have called 911 immediately. Instead, he waited a day to tell Paterno. At that point it became a non-emergency crime and protocol at Penn State for reporting a non-emergency crime is to notify the department head--the department head IS "the authorities". I know this because I worked there for 7 years and had to report stolen equipment in this manner. I found this out the hard way with the first incident when I called campus police on my own and got my ass reamed out for not going to the department head.

As much power as Paterno has, he is not a department head, in this case, the Athletic Director. Paterno once held this position but resigned from it because he didn't want all that responsibility and the coaching job at the same time. I seriously doubt that Paterno would get his ass reamed out for not going to the department head...but he did what he was supposed to do.

If a subordinate came to you a day after seeing a crime at the prison, would you immediately call the police, or report it to your supervisor or the warden?

Were you there?

That's my question, people can speculate or say all kinds of things about what happened, but if you weren't there, then you just can't say. I know this because I work in the "law enforcement" field, and see this stuff happen everyday. People will turn things into something else, and I see it with my own eyes and know they are completely off. Anyway, my point is, unless you were there, shut yer yap.

Lonewolf, the prior mention to shut yer yap, is basically about he said she said bullshit when people get blamed for something, or the facts get twisted around. That is out of context for this. I read the grand jury report, and this is also about non-action on McCreary's part.

[jetcitywoman]

This is all so sad. They better put him on suicide watch, i fear the worst here

[lonewolf]

McCreary and Joe shouldn't have just passed it on, they should have confronted Sandusky and went straight to the authorities. There is a moral obligation from all parties that was grossly neglected, and as a result, Sandusky was still permitted in the facilities, and as a member of the University, for years after. It really sickens me, that you could see this and just pass it along and shrug it off. What if this were your child?

Lonewolf, the prior mention to shut yer yap, is basically about he said she said bullshit when people get blamed for something, or the facts get twisted around. That is out of context for this. I read the grand jury report, and this is also about non-action on McCreary's part.

Ah, but you linked McCreary, a material witness, to JoePa who is legally nothing more than the material witness's supervisor with 2nd hand knowledge of the crime. Since the crime happened the day before and was not in progress, Paterno did exactly what he was supposed to do. What happened after that is complete speculation. Nobody except Joe & a few others know what Joe did or didn't do after he reported it to his department head AND the highest official in the University Police chain of command. Anything else is just "he said, she said" speculation.

Ah, but Joe has power, you say? Yes, and I'd say he used it when he went to the Vice-President, highest ranking official in the Police chain of command rather than having McCreary make a report with the police. The same police, I might add, who, along with DA Ray Gricar, failed to prosecute Sandusky four years earlier.

According to law, McCreary ultimately is the only person who could/should have initiated an investigation with the police, since he is the only material witness. Joe didn't see anything and only had 2nd hand (hearsay) knowledge. In that respect, Joe, himself, should NOT have been the one to notify the police as it would have been improper to do so.

Final analysis: McCreary screwed up. Paterno notified and brought the witness to the highest official in the University Police chain of command and the system failed miserably. Anything else is pure speculation...he said.

I realize that when children are involved we all get really pissed and want heads to roll...that's all the more reason to do things by the book so that a pathetic criminal doesn't walk.

One good thing that will come out of this is that McCreary and Jay Paterno will not be on the next coaching staff.

Warning: Some excerpts of this post were repeated for head drilling.

[f.sciarrillo]

It looks like Graham Spanier is gone also. Good riddance to him.

http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/breakin ... am_sp.html

[Dead34]

I've bled blue and white for as long as I can remember - and I always will. However, it’s plainly obvious that when confronted with such deplorable information, the leaders that make up our university, in some manner or another - chose to use their power and influence to protect the university’s image and reputation, rather then defend and preserve the innocence of the helpless victims they overlooked. If these actions or for better words, contradictions to what our university was founded on are any indication of where our university was headed, then I am gladly looking forward to rebuilding our good name without them. It’s extremely disheartening when police are notified of theft or vandalism but not notified of multiple incidents of child molestation by a trusted university figurehead on university property. That said, I offer my most sincere sympathies to the victims involved – I hope that Sandusky and all those who ostentatiously disregarded these events reap the punishments they so deserve.

[Banned]

It looks like Graham Spanier is gone also. Good riddance to him.

http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/breakin ... am_sp.html

I just heard that on ESPN at 5:00 pm, and if he let the perv use PSU facilities for 7 years AFTER the reported rape, he could be looking at jail time too.

[f.sciarrillo]

It looks like Graham Spanier is gone also. Good riddance to him.

http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/breakin ... am_sp.html

I just heard that on ESPN at 5:00 pm, and if he let the perv use PSU facilities for 7 years AFTER the reported rape, he could be looking at jail time too.

Good for him, I hope he does go to jail. He deserves it with his mission to protect the school over a child.

[bassist_25]

Ah, but you linked McCreary, a material witness, to JoePa who is legally nothing more than the material witness's supervisor with 2nd hand knowledge of the crime. Since the crime happened the day before and was not in progress, Paterno did exactly what he was supposed to do. What happened after that is complete speculation. Nobody except Joe & a few others know what Joe did or didn't do after he reported it to his department head AND the highest official in the University Police chain of command. Anything else is just "he said, she said" speculation.

Ah, but Joe has power, you say? Yes, and I'd say he used it when he went to the Vice-President, highest ranking official in the Police chain of command rather than having McCreary make a report with the police. The same police, I might add, who, along with DA Ray Gricar, failed to prosecute Sandusky four years earlier.

According to law, McCreary ultimately is the only person who could/should have initiated an investigation with the police, since he is the only material witness. Joe didn't see anything and only had 2nd hand (hearsay) knowledge. In that respect, Joe, himself, should NOT have been the one to notify the police as it would have been improper to do so.

Final analysis: McCreary screwed up. Paterno notified and brought the witness to the highest official in the University Police chain of command and the system failed miserably. Anything else is pure speculation...he said.

I realize that when children are involved we all get really pissed and want heads to roll...that's all the more reason to do things by the book so that a pathetic criminal doesn't walk.

One good thing that will come out of this is that McCreary and Jay Paterno will not be on the next coaching staff.

Warning: Some excerpts of this post were repeated for head drilling.

Jeff, your post smacks of level-headedness, rationalism, and objectivity. As such, it has no business in Rockpage's general forum.

The sad part - and the part the instills anger - is the cover-up aspect. As the advocacy group gentleman who's quoted in the article in the other thread so put it, this is often just business as usual when it comes to protecting the institution and its reputation over the individual. This stuff, unfortunately, happens more often than you think. With mandatory requirements of publishing university crime rates, it's in the interest of universities to keep those numbers low. Universities coercing rape victims not to come forward: It happens.

[f.sciarrillo]

Spanier gave his resignation tonight. Word is that Tom Ridge is taking his place. How true that is? I don't know.

[f.sciarrillo]

It is official. Joe is no longer the head coach at Penn State. The Board of Trustees have fired him. He won't be there this weekend.

http://www.sbnation.com/ncaa-football/2 ... in/2304037

[lonewolf]

I would not want to be in State College tonight...or in the empty stadium on Saturday either.

[Jim Price]

I get the feeling there will be people in the stadium on Saturday, to show solidarity with the players at least. The players that will be on the field didn't ask for this.

While I'm very saddened that Joe's coaching career had to come to an end because of the acts of a sex predator, I can respect the Board Of Trustees having to make the decision, so they can clean the slate and start the rebuilding - and perhaps, healing - process. Pending the rough road ahead as the investigation and ensuing prosecution of this case progresses, with their decision tonight the Board Of Trustees can start to turn the page on this ugly chapter.

I was at the PSU Altoona downtown Devorris Center lobby when the word came down that Joe had announced his resignation at the end of the season, and the unofficial (at that point) reports that school president Graham Spanier would be ousted later in the day. The atmosphere in the Devorris lobby felt like the President had just been assassinated...just total disbelief. I told my students later in class that they were witnessing history unfold before their eyes.

[RobTheDrummer]

It's basically a moral issue. They let the child molester still use the facilities up until he was arrested last week....Joe knew about it.

When first reported, last week, Joe said he was shocked...then this week, he goes back and says in hindsight, he should have done more. So did he know about it? Didn't he know about it? Sandusky was his boy, he covered it up, and God only knows what else he knew.

It's sick, so I'm glad they are all getting fired.

[onegunguitar]

Maybe the Board of Trustees needs cleaned out to. I would bet some of them knew about this as much as everyone else did since it was investigated in 1998. After the rioting last night,I'd be surprised if they even have the game this weekend. The rioters flipped over a WTAJ news van

[songsmith]

They let the child molester still use the facilities up until he was arrested last week....Joe knew about it.

Yup. Apparently, there were incidents dating back to the early 90's, and fuck the interests of Penn State, if I saw what they saw, I'd call the cops, not my boss. I feel reasonably sure somebody's head would be busted, as well.
Like I said, you can't take JoePa's sports record away from him, but football is just a game.
Penn State's football program will never recover. Go look at the images of Penn State students overturning a media van. Do they even deserve a football dynasty?

[Banned]

The dynasty talk ended 25 years ago with the last national championship.

Joe has been getting out-coached for decades. No one had the balls at PSU to tell him the game passed him by.

[RobTheDrummer]

What pisses me off about this thing now is that Joe was fired, but McQueary gets to remain where he is....

[Banned]

What pisses me off about this thing now is that Joe was fired, but McQueary gets to remain where he is....

I watched Bradley's press conference. Apparently Jay Paterno will still by up in the box. Mike McQueary will not be on the side line, he will go up in the box with Jay and a grad assistant coach will wear the headgear on the sidelines as McQueary had done.

McQueary in 2002, was 28 years old, 6'5" and about 230 pounds, in the prime of his physical life. He was no young kid in 2002. He was a starting QB for a major Div I football program. Why didn't he do something when he saw what was going on in that shower? An athlete that size should easily have stopped a 60 year old naked, wet man, don't ya think?

I also heard that he grew up in State College as friends of Sandusky's own kids. How fucked up was that, seeing the father of your friends raping a boy in the showers?

[ZappasXWife]

I am all for protesting for something you believe is wrong, but did anyone else think that the smiles on the PSU rioters faces makes them look ridiculous. Wow, at least look pissed off....PARTYTIME!
And where were these protesters whenever....uh oh forget it, I'm not starting THAT here.
Also, as a PSU grad AND employee, I hope people don't confuse all of the great employees and students here at Penn State University Park (at least 50,000 of us!) and all the good things that Penn State does with a few evil people and a football program that frankly I have been tired of hearing about for my whole life. I am seeing things on fb like Pediphile State University and things like that and that makes me sad...there are many good people here.

[Jim Price]

ZappasXWife said:

Also, as a PSU grad AND employee, I hope people don't confuse all of the great employees and students here at Penn State University Park (at least 50,000 of us!) and all the good things that Penn State does with a few evil people and a football program that frankly I have been tired of hearing about for my whole life. I am seeing things on fb like Pediphile State University and things like that and that makes me sad...there are many good people here.

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That's what people need to remember in all of this...Perhaps one of the good things that might come of this situation is to get everybody's priorities back on track. That Penn State (and every other college or university) is an institution of higher learning first and foremost. That beyond the headlines this week, there is still a body of people who have to go about their duties of helping young people develop knowledge and skills for the outside world. And that vast body of people had nothing to do with the awful things outlined in that grand jury report.

In carrying out my daily duties through this week at PSU Altoona (where we're at least a little insulated from the furor), I've had to temper my own emotions - sadness, anger and despair - with the knowledge that Penn State has a 150-year history and tradition that dates long before JoePa and the football program, and that has to soldier on beyond the events of this week. And that as an employee and instructor, my focus has to be on the kids in my classes, and making sure I'm doing everything in my power to serve them and prepare them for their lives and careers ahead. I'm sure that type of soul-searching is going on with a lot of people who work for the Penn State system this week.

[f.sciarrillo]

It is being reported that Sandusky could get 460 years in prison for his actions.

I agree with the tarnishing of the whole school over the actions of a few idiots is ludicrous. There are a lot of respectful and great people who work for, and go to, Penn State.

[onegunguitar]

http://www.altoonamirror.com/page/conte ... ml?nav=742

Sounds to me like he still has a job coaching...for now.