THE POLITICAL ARENA!!! Political Gladiators Inside!!

Gallowglass · Post by **Gallowglass** » Sunday Nov 06, 2011

Amen!

RobTheDrummer · Post by **RobTheDrummer** » Sunday Nov 06, 2011

As Michael Savage says....This is a country by the lobbyists, for the lobbyists!!! They are all crooked!

songsmith · Post by **songsmith** » Sunday Nov 06, 2011

undercoverjoe wrote: Who said Sarah Palin was a Tea Party representative?

That would be Sarah Palin. She had to, the GOP was crashing down around her. The newly-minted Tea Party, now filled with "former Republicans," went for her, too. And Beck, in a big way.
I've, um, kinda been saying that all along.

lonewolf · Post by **lonewolf** » Monday Nov 07, 2011

Looks like Occupy Wall Street should Occupy Pennsylvania Avenue. Obama is not only bought and paid for:

http://patdollard.com/2011/10/obama-rec ... -combined/

OpenSecrets confirmation:

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres12/bundl ... =N00009638

But it has paid off big time as wall street financials have scarfed up more profits under 2-1/2 years of Obama and not-so-good economic times than they did for the entire 8 years under Dubya.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/ ... story.html

songsmith · Post by **songsmith** » Monday Nov 07, 2011

All the more reason to get business out of government.
I think Wall St. knows that the GOP isn't going to field anyone who can win in 2012, and they have to butter-up the winning side to accomplish anything.
There is some common ground between us as time moves on. Obama needs to get rid of Geithner (personally, I'd jail him, but that's just me). Obama needs to PUBLICALLY stop taking money from Big Business, and make a big deal out of it, because 70% of Americans are against it. The left needs to stop trying to make the Occupy Movement "define a mission statement and find leadership," statements and leadership become simple targets for the opposition. Perhaps most importantly, we need election reform RIGHT NOW. The 2012 presidential race will cost more than a billion dollars, and that is insane. It all boils down to who has the most money, and best publicity team. The voting public only has a partial say in it, and a few dubious "experts" have the rest. It's basically like American Idol.

lonewolf · Post by **lonewolf** » Monday Nov 07, 2011

songsmith wrote:All the more reason to get business out of government.

That can only happen if you get government out of business.

Banned · Post by **Banned** » Monday Nov 07, 2011

lonewolf wrote:
songsmith wrote:All the more reason to get business out of government.
That can only happen if you get government out of business.

Why does business go to government with bribes? They know that government has the power.

All the more reason to get government out of business.

Banned · Post by **Banned** » Monday Nov 07, 2011

lonewolf wrote:Looks like Occupy Wall Street should Occupy Pennsylvania Avenue. Obama is not only bought and paid for:

http://patdollard.com/2011/10/obama-rec ... -combined/

OpenSecrets confirmation:

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres12/bundl ... =N00009638

But it has paid off big time as wall street financials have scarfed up more profits under 2-1/2 years of Obama and not-so-good economic times than they did for the entire 8 years under Dubya.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/ ... story.html

Can't wait to see how Bill spins this.

songsmith · Post by **songsmith** » Monday Nov 07, 2011

lonewolf wrote:
songsmith wrote:All the more reason to get business out of government.
That can only happen if you get government out of business.

Alas, that can only happen when you get business out of government. Government does not own business, business owns gov't. Nobody on the far side of the aisle complains about contractors making mega-profits from gov't, or special treatment from gov't, or low-interest loans and grants from gov't... they only complain when gov't sets limits on business, in the form of rules to protect everyone else.
The way I see it, one side thinks corporations are people, and the other thinks government is people. One side thinks corporations are not subject to governance by the society they exploit, and the other thinks society creates governance to protect themselves from exploitation.

Banned · Post by **Banned** » Monday Nov 07, 2011

Why are corporations making "mega profits" from govt contracts?

Because govt is doing something it is not given the right to do. Limit the size and power of govt, and they won't be giving contracts out to private corps. The private industry should be doing it anyway, why does govt get involved?

The giant federal government should stick to what few rights the Constitution grants it, and none of these problems would even exist. That would eliminate government "special treatments". contracts, bribes and a corrupted economy with corporatism.

songsmith · Post by **songsmith** » Monday Nov 07, 2011

I'm afraid I don't understand how defense contracts, road contracts, etc. could be honored without the government being involved. Are you saying we should simply privatize the entire government, military, roads, etc.?
There will never be a time when the US government does not exist in some form. United States means states that are united under a central government.

Banned · Post by **Banned** » Monday Nov 07, 2011

songsmith wrote:I'm afraid I don't understand how defense contracts, road contracts, etc. could be honored without the government being involved. Are you saying we should simply privatize the entire government, military, roads, etc.?
There will never be a time when the US government does not exist in some form. United States means states that are united under a central government.

And that central govt has very strict limits as outlined in the Constitution. Why does the military hand out so many contracts? Too many illegal wars going on all over the world. Stop all the illegal wars and pull our troops home, no need for all those Halliburton type contracts.

Privatize as much as can be done. Recently, Indiana or Illinois sold their toll roads to a private company. The state made lots of money up front, the private company runs the roads much better, the citizens are happier and the state gets more tax dollars from that successful company. Win win win situation.

When the central govt is limited in size, most Americans will be able to keep most of their paychecks, the economy will grow without false stimuli.

Banned · Post by **Banned** » Monday Nov 07, 2011

"7-in-10 Blame Economy for Hiring Freeze

The Obama economy is so bad that 77 percent of small business owners do not plan to hire any more workers despite all of Washington's hype that the business climate is getting better. Worse: 64 percent of small business owners in a new survey provided to Whispers see the nation teetering on the verge of another recession."

http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washin ... ing-freeze

77% of Small business owners say the economy is the reason they will not be hiring new employees.

64% see another recession coming. This guy owns the worst economy since the Great Depression and liberals hope he will get re-elected.

f.sciarrillo · Post by **f.sciarrillo** » Monday Nov 07, 2011

What is the percentage of businesses not hiring because of Obamacare? That seems to be a reason why they aren't hiring as well. Or so I heard from the right wing megaphones.

Banned · Post by **Banned** » Monday Nov 07, 2011

f.sciarrillo wrote:What is the percentage of businesses not hiring because of Obamacare? That seems to be a reason why they aren't hiring as well. Or so I heard from the right wing megaphones.

I don't believe that has kicked in yet. Wait until that bunker buster hits this economy. Not only will they not be hiring, they will be firing or go out of business.

f.sciarrillo · Post by **f.sciarrillo** » Tuesday Nov 08, 2011

Another woman came forward in the Cain scandal. I am starting to think all these women are being paid to make this stuff up. and/Or looking for their 15 minutes of fame. Look for them to be on a reality show soon. - Come election time, I want to know who they voted for. That will say a lot about their character.

Merge · Post by **Merge** » Tuesday Nov 08, 2011

I did hear about the newest woman to come forward. I'm curious as to why she waited 14 years to say anything. She hired Gloria Allred as her attorney, so I'd imagine she's trying to get a book deal or seal the movie rights to her "harassment" story.

lonewolf · Post by **lonewolf** » Tuesday Nov 08, 2011

Just fucking completely out of control:

http://usactionnews.com/2011/10/why-did ... n-company/

As with yesterday's post, you'll have to give the "major media" an extra half day to cover this article--they just aren't what they used to be.

songsmith · Post by **songsmith** » Tuesday Nov 08, 2011

undercoverjoe wrote: Why does the military hand out so many contracts?

Privatize as much as can be done. Recently, Indiana or Illinois sold their toll roads to a private company. The state made lots of money up front, the private company runs the roads much better, the citizens are happier and the state gets more tax dollars from that successful company. Win win win situation.

When the central govt is limited in size, most Americans will be able to keep most of their paychecks, the economy will grow without false stimuli.

The military hands out so many contracts because of Reagan and his military-industrial complex. While he was tripling the deficit, instead of stimuli in the form of infrastructure repairs and upgrades, he chose to invent the $250 toilet seat, and turn military contractors into powerful corporate lobbys. Pandora's Box has been wide open for 30 yrs, and Big Bad O's the first one to even suggest studying the possibility of closing the lid. Frankly I'm surprised the cons would even suggest it, given the sanctity of defense in the past, and I'm sure it's just a symptom of wanting Obama to be a one-termer. A conservative victory in 2012 would quiet that talk down completely.
As for privatizing roads, it all sounds good on paper... until private corps find a way to screw us yet again. Perhaps an Enron-style fake problem, they cut traffic drastically until we throw them more money. And let's face it, these companies are NOT going to decrease user cost, that NEVER happens. I don't want the 1% telling me what roads I can and cannot use, or charging me exhorbitant fees to get to the grocery store, it's another "free-market" shell game that just won't work in our favor.

songsmith · Post by **songsmith** » Tuesday Nov 08, 2011

f.sciarrillo wrote:Another woman came forward in the Cain scandal. I am starting to think all these women are being paid to make this stuff up. and/Or looking for their 15 minutes of fame..

Or maybe he did it, and that's why his story keeps evolving.
It doesn't matter, 9-9-9 is going to keep him from being president. Your food and clothing budget going up 9% instantly, at the same time a CEO's taxes drop a hundred grand. THAT'S what'll do in Hermann Cain.

Banned · Post by **Banned** » Tuesday Nov 08, 2011

songsmith wrote:
undercoverjoe wrote: Why does the military hand out so many contracts?

Privatize as much as can be done. Recently, Indiana or Illinois sold their toll roads to a private company. The state made lots of money up front, the private company runs the roads much better, the citizens are happier and the state gets more tax dollars from that successful company. Win win win situation.

When the central govt is limited in size, most Americans will be able to keep most of their paychecks, the economy will grow without false stimuli.
The military hands out so many contracts because of Reagan and his military-industrial complex. While he was tripling the deficit, instead of stimuli in the form of infrastructure repairs and upgrades, he chose to invent the $250 toilet seat, and turn military contractors into powerful corporate lobbys. Pandora's Box has been wide open for 30 yrs, and Big Bad O's the first one to even suggest studying the possibility of closing the lid. Frankly I'm surprised the cons would even suggest it, given the sanctity of defense in the past, and I'm sure it's just a symptom of wanting Obama to be a one-termer. A conservative victory in 2012 would quiet that talk down completely.
As for privatizing roads, it all sounds good on paper... until private corps find a way to screw us yet again. Perhaps an Enron-style fake problem, they cut traffic drastically until we throw them more money. And let's face it, these companies are NOT going to decrease user cost, that NEVER happens. I don't want the 1% telling me what roads I can and cannot use, or charging me exhorbitant fees to get to the grocery store, it's another "free-market" shell game that just won't work in our favor.

The term military-industrial complex was used by Eisenhower at his farewell speech in 1960, way before Reagan was on the scene. In his written speech, he actually had written "military-congressional-industrial complex" but for some reason omitted the congressional part when he delivered the speech. Too bad, it belonges.

If anyone knew about that topic, it was Ike, who led us in a world war fought on 3 continents. Your attempt to blame it on Reagan is quite lame, but standard OP for a lib.

Reagan spoke a good game of smaller government, but did not reduce the size or cost of government.

Government always does a worse job of anything vs the private market. Just compare the Post Office, which is failing again, vs. UPS or Fed EX, which are thriving.

Banned · Post by **Banned** » Tuesday Nov 08, 2011

lonewolf wrote:Just fucking completely out of control:

http://usactionnews.com/2011/10/why-did ... n-company/

As with yesterday's post, you'll have to give the "major media" an extra half day to cover this article--they just aren't what they used to be.

One of the unnamed accusers works in the Obama administration. Hmmmm.

http://www.thedaily.com/page/2011/11/08 ... cuser-1-3/

f.sciarrillo · Post by **f.sciarrillo** » Tuesday Nov 08, 2011

songsmith wrote:
f.sciarrillo wrote:Another woman came forward in the Cain scandal. I am starting to think all these women are being paid to make this stuff up. and/Or looking for their 15 minutes of fame..
Or maybe he did it, and that's why his story keeps evolving.
It doesn't matter, 9-9-9 is going to keep him from being president. Your food and clothing budget going up 9% instantly, at the same time a CEO's taxes drop a hundred grand. THAT'S what'll do in Hermann Cain.

I believe maybe one or two, but not the numbers that are coming out of the woodwork. I don't think his 9-9-9 plan will get him elected either.

Banned · Post by **Banned** » Tuesday Nov 08, 2011

f.sciarrillo wrote:Another woman came forward in the Cain scandal. I am starting to think all these women are being paid to make this stuff up. and/Or looking for their 15 minutes of fame. Look for them to be on a reality show soon. - Come election time, I want to know who they voted for. That will say a lot about their character.

The big blondie represented by Gloria Allred, happens to live in the same building as David Axlerod, Obama's chief adviser. That must just be a wild coincidence.

f.sciarrillo · Post by **f.sciarrillo** » Tuesday Nov 08, 2011

undercoverjoe wrote:
f.sciarrillo wrote:Another woman came forward in the Cain scandal. I am starting to think all these women are being paid to make this stuff up. and/Or looking for their 15 minutes of fame. Look for them to be on a reality show soon. - Come election time, I want to know who they voted for. That will say a lot about their character.

The big blondie represented by Gloria Allred, happens to live in the same building as David Axlerod, Obama's chief adviser. That must just be a wild coincidence.

That is my thought. I am wondering how many of them were paid, or coached, by "Other" sources to say something.