THE POLITICAL ARENA!!! Political Gladiators Inside!!

[f.sciarrillo]

[Banned]

Frankly, I'm surprised nobody's really talked about the Occupy movement. Of course, allllll those little shots I get for my disdain for the Tea-Poopies have been duly noted, and I just might point them back at my usual detractors.
The difference between the Tea Party and Occupy? Left and right. That's all. Oh, and zero corporate sponsorship for Occupy... not so much the same for Tea.
Never aired on Fox News:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnR2pAnGCNw

George Soros, the DNC, SEIU and an offshoot of ACORN replaced the corporate sponsorship.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/video-e ... f-america/

[songsmith]

That's a good one Frank, that pic is obviously based on a similar one from a Tea Party protest last year, that pointed out the taxpayer-sponsored cops, sanitation workers, the road the buses came in on, the street lights, the side walks, the land the rally was held on, the landmarks in the background, even the flag overhead.

Ron Paul legitimizes the movement:
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/10/05/r ... te-effort/

Freedom to Associate: Check.
Freedom To Assemble: Check.
Freedom of Speech: Check.
You may smell Patchouli, but I smell the Constitution being turned on the people who thought they'd bought it fair and square. Occupy Wall St. is the reply to the Tea Party ideal that the rich should have more power than everyone else. Jpe, if you don't like unions getting involved, well, too bad for you. It's a free country.

[songsmith]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhrwmJcs ... r_embedded

[Banned]

That's a good one Frank, that pic is obviously based on a similar one from a Tea Party protest last year, that pointed out the taxpayer-sponsored cops, sanitation workers, the road the buses came in on, the street lights, the side walks, the land the rally was held on, the landmarks in the background, even the flag overhead.

Ron Paul legitimizes the movement:
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/10/05/r ... te-effort/

The Tea Party is mostly organized against the incredible amount of Federal spending which has resulted in over $14.8 Trillion of DEBT. Those cops, sanitation workers, roads, lights, side walks etc. are paid by local taxes to local governments. They are not against local governments unless they start running up trillion dollar debts which they cannot do, they cannot print money. Maybe you should think a little bit before you post and demonstrate your ignorance.

And the Ron Paul link, DUH, of course he is for the right to assembly and the right to speak. Did you really have to look that up?

[lonewolf]

Frankly, I'm surprised nobody's really talked about the Occupy movement. Of course, allllll those little shots I get for my disdain for the Tea-Poopies have been duly noted, and I just might point them back at my usual detractors.
The difference between the Tea Party and Occupy? Left and right. That's all. Oh, and zero corporate sponsorship for Occupy... not so much the same for Tea.
Never aired on Fox News:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnR2pAnGCNw

I'd like to know just exactly who they are protesting to?

The guys up on the 42nd floor don't give a damn and there's very little the government can do...at least if you wanna keep this a free society.

They're just pissing into the wind.

[songsmith]

[The Tea Party is mostly organized against the incredible amount of Federal spending which has resulted in over $14.8 Trillion of DEBT. Those cops, sanitation workers, roads, lights, side walks etc. are paid by local taxes to local governments. They are not against local governments unless they start running up trillion dollar debts which they cannot do, they cannot print money. Maybe you should think a little bit before you post and demonstrate your ignorance.

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Awww, Joey calling someone dumb, how cute. Hey, Joey, you do know that every single municipality in the US gets federal money for that stuff, right? Block grants, DOT money, Homeland Security, etc.... why do you think all these cities are struggling? Local taxes have remained the same, federal taxes and spending have fallen dramatically, so local access to federal dollars has dried up.
I suggest you take your own advice or...
Go Away.

BTW, you need to check with your local Tea Party before you claim that they are not against local government. They demonstrated at the Blair County Courthouse for a reason. Ditto the demonstrations at Sterns and Shuster's offices. WRTA ("Your 24-Hour Tea Party Station") rails against EVERY local government institution, no matter how inconsequential. Buy a vowel, or go surf porn.

[songsmith]

I'd like to know just exactly who they are protesting to?

The guys up on the 42nd floor don't give a damn and there's very little the government can do...at least if you wanna keep this a free society.

They're just pissing into the wind.

Precisely my point about the Tea Party. They're not anywhere close to being a majority, and there will never be a time when there is no government. They keep foisting the likes of Glenn Beck, Michelle Bachmann, and the televangelist-flavor-of-the-month on us, and the American people keep shooting them down. The Tea Party quite literally wants to hand this country over to corporate rule, take down all the safety nets, and enforce Christianity and sexual practice. Humans being what they are, it's the very definition of pissing in the wind, and the rapid decline of the Tea Party is the proof.

[lonewolf]

I'd like to know just exactly who they are protesting to?

The guys up on the 42nd floor don't give a damn and there's very little the government can do...at least if you wanna keep this a free society.

They're just pissing into the wind.

Precisely my point about the Tea Party. They're not anywhere close to being a majority, and there will never be a time when there is no government. They keep foisting the likes of Glenn Beck, Michelle Bachmann, and the televangelist-flavor-of-the-month on us, and the American people keep shooting them down. The Tea Party quite literally wants to hand this country over to corporate rule, take down all the safety nets, and enforce Christianity and sexual practice. Humans being what they are, it's the very definition of pissing in the wind, and the rapid decline of the Tea Party is the proof.

The original Tea Party is completely different in that they are protesting to the government for fiscal order...not anarchy or corporate rule as you mistakenly believe. They have a target and a purpose. In contrast, the proletariat on Wall Street are just fists in the air. Did I say proletariat?

Why...yes...I did!

The Tea Party has affected the outcomes of several election races. I could be wrong, but the only thing affected by the raging proletariat is traffic. Can you imagine how disappointed those greedy Wall Street bastards were when they couldn't go to Brooklyn? ROFLMAO!

The Tea Party is not a political party, it is a political movement...least it was before it was hijacked by neocons. Whether they are a majority, or whether the majority agrees with them is completely irrelevant. What matters is that they are effective.

[songsmith]

You do understand that pretty much ALL the Occupy folks are voting age, right? And that there are demonstrations in every major business center, and 100 colleges? The rightwing and corporate media can delegitimize the protests all they want, and it obviously works for some people, but really, there is no difference between the 2 groups in effectiveness. Fox News can report that they're not focused, but they ARE called Occupy WALL STREET, and they are occupying WALL STREET, not D.C. The Tea Party is anti-government (well, at least until the right regains a majority), the Occupy movement is anti-corporate-rule. The Tea Party wants to eliminate government in favor of business, Occupy wants business to stay out of government and stop raping the American worker/consumer/citizen/environment.
It's not hard to categorize or figure out. Fox News and CNBC know what they want, they just don't want you to agree, because it doesn't benefit them if you do.

[lonewolf]

You do understand that pretty much ALL the Occupy folks are voting age, right? And that there are demonstrations in every major business center, and 100 colleges?

OK. How many is that? Do you think they'll vote any differently than they ordinarily would?

The rightwing and corporate media can delegitimize the protests all they want, and it obviously works for some people, but really, there is no difference between the 2 groups in effectiveness.

Ah, I see. So what is their caucus in Congress called? What elections have they affected? What legislation have they opposed/supported? What have they done besides get arrested?

(something that doesn't happen with the Tea Party)

Fox News can report that they're not focused, but they ARE called Occupy WALL STREET, and they are occupying WALL STREET, not D.C.

Yes, we've heard that its called "Occupy Wall Street". Its good to have a name. Exactly what is it they intend to accomplish on Wall Street?

The Tea Party is anti-government (well, at least until the right regains a majority), the Occupy movement is anti-corporate-rule. The Tea Party wants to eliminate government in favor of business, Occupy wants business to stay out of government and stop raping the American worker/consumer/citizen/environment.

This sounds an awful lot like Al Sharpton.

The Tea Party is NOT anti-government, nor does it want to eliminate government. It merely wants to reduce the size of government and get it back under control--at least that was the original intent. For progressives and neo-liberals, that means destroying many of the socialist gains they have made since FDR held the Supreme Court hostage.

I must admit that I have become skeptical of the Tea Party since it has come under neocon influence.

I'm all for getting business out of government...as long as that also means getting government out of business. I just don't see how Occupy Wall Street will achieve any of that.

[Don Hughes]

Just because all the Occupy Wall Street people are of voting age, does not mean that they will ACTUALLY vote. As great as having the rite to vote is, it is somewhat disconcerting that Mickey Mouse gets votes every election. Frankly, only the people who voted for the winner are heard, because the people who voted for the loser, don't get diddly shit.

If you don't like how the country runs, either get into politics yourself and try to change things, or leave the damn country. If you don't do either of those things, shut your mouth, because you're all talk and no action (not a shot at anyone in particular on the board, just a general thought).

[Banned]

[The Tea Party is mostly organized against the incredible amount of Federal spending which has resulted in over $14.8 Trillion of DEBT. Those cops, sanitation workers, roads, lights, side walks etc. are paid by local taxes to local governments. They are not against local governments unless they start running up trillion dollar debts which they cannot do, they cannot print money. Maybe you should think a little bit before you post and demonstrate your ignorance.

:

Awww, Joey calling someone dumb, how cute. Hey, Joey, you do know that every single municipality in the US gets federal money for that stuff, right? Block grants, DOT money, Homeland Security, etc.... why do you think all these cities are struggling? Local taxes have remained the same, federal taxes and spending have fallen dramatically, so local access to federal dollars has dried up.
I suggest you take your own advice or...
Go Away.

BTW, you need to check with your local Tea Party before you claim that they are not against local government. They demonstrated at the Blair County Courthouse for a reason. Ditto the demonstrations at Sterns and Shuster's offices. WRTA ("Your 24-Hour Tea Party Station") rails against EVERY local government institution, no matter how inconsequential. Buy a vowel, or go surf porn.

I called you ignorant, not dumb, but thanks for the suggestion.

Where does the federal govt get the money for grants? From us. If the federal govt did not rape us so much, there would more money to pay to local govts and the local govts would not need federal block grant money. Either way its our money, and I would rather cut the middle man out of it, and the federal govt being the middle man, would lose power.

What bothered you about a demonstration at the Court House? Why not, as good a place as any, it got attention, TV and local media coverage and did not affect a single worker for the county. As long as they had a permit does it matter where a protest takes place?

Another rant against WRTA. Its a free country, start up your own Marxist radio show. See what kind of audience you get.

[bassist_25]

Like most liberal movements, the Occupy Wallstreet movement is probably going to end up causing some ruckus but no ever-lasting change. Progressive movements generally are made up of intelligent, well-meaning people, but it's like herding cats to get them to do anything tangible due to such pluralistic interests. You can have everyone from limousine John Rawls-type liberals to hardline neo-Marxist Wobblies arguing over what they're exactly even about. Conservative movements are generally more successful due to their members being able to rally under a small number of monolithic points and philosophies.

...at least that's my theory on the whole thing.

[Don Hughes]

undercoverjoe, the federal government does not rape us.

My fiancee has been raped before. There is no comparison to what she experienced, to what YOU THINK the government is doing to us! If you want to compare a very personal crime such as rape to what YOU THINK the government is doing, fine, however I will not stand by and keep quiet when my fiancee was ACTUALLY RAPED!

This is what is wrong with BOTH parties, along with the mainstream media. All this sensaionalism ("the government is raping us") to "Obama is the Anti-Christ", to the 9/11 conspiracist theories, all this is there just to get a gut reaction out of us.

[f.sciarrillo]

The people they showed on the news last night, that are occupying wall street, reminded of a 1960's hippy sit in. They not looked like it, but I bet they smelled like it also.

[ToonaRockGuy]

[nakedtwister]

undercoverjoe, the federal government does not rape us.

My fiancee has been raped before. There is no comparison to what she experienced, to what YOU THINK the government is doing to us! If you want to compare a very personal crime such as rape to what YOU THINK the government is doing, fine, however I will not stand by and keep quiet when my fiancee was ACTUALLY RAPED!

This is what is wrong with BOTH parties, along with the mainstream media. All this sensaionalism ("the government is raping us") to "Obama is the Anti-Christ", to the 9/11 conspiracist theories, all this is there just to get a gut reaction out of us.

Calm down Donnie, there are other definitions for that word without sexual nature being involved.

[Don Hughes]

We've talked some about the Republican side of the election. Hypothetically, besides Obama, who does everyone think could make a run on the Democratic side? Barring any of my political feelings, I don't really see anyone standing out.

[Don Hughes]

One definition that's changing, the Eagles' definition of Dream Team

[f.sciarrillo]

I don't see anyone beating Obama at this point in the game. It is too early to tell, Don. Of course, if he would happen to win a second term, he would be the first Pres since Truman to do so with such a bad approval ratings. Which Truman won by 8,000 votes by the way.

With everything that is going on in Washington. There is no way to cast blame on any one party. They are all to blame for the mess we are in, and are to blame for leaving it continue.

[Banned]

I don't see anyone beating Obama at this point in the game. It is too early to tell, Don. Of course, if he would happen to win a second term, he would be the first Pres since Truman to do so with such a bad approval ratings. Which Truman won by 8,000 votes by the way.

With everything that is going on in Washington. There is no way to cast blame on any one party. They are all to blame for the mess we are in, and are to blame for leaving it continue.

I bet Hillary could win against him in a Dem primary contest. But they are also starting with the Obama/Hillary ticket rumors for 2012. If they make her the VP, she would less willing to challenge him. That would set her up for a run for 2016. Shudder.

[f.sciarrillo]

I bet Hillary could win against him in a Dem primary contest. But they are also starting with the Obama/Hillary ticket rumors for 2012. If they make her the VP, she would less willing to challenge him. That would set her up for a run for 2016. Shudder.

It is possible, Joe. We will never know unless she tries. I don't see her challenging him to do it though. I heard a couple of times, mostly from right wing megaphones, that the dems are trying to get Obama to not run in 2012. Then letting the door open for either Joe Biden to run, or even Hillary to run. I'm not sure how true that is. And frankly, Obama is too much of a megalomaniac to even agree to something like that.

[songsmith]

The people they showed on the news last night, that are occupying wall street, reminded of a 1960's hippy sit in. They not looked like it, but I bet they smelled like it also.

What's a Tea Party rally smell like? Ben-Gay, Poise pads, and corporate money.

[Merge]

Have the people up there on Wall Street protesting issued a list of demands??