Hank Williams Jr benched from Monday Night Football

[songsmith]

Barack Hussein Obama: President of the United States of America, Editor Harvard Law Review, Professor (Senior Lecturer) of CONSTITUTIONAL LAW at University of Chicago, Nobel Laureate.

Undercover Inssein Joe-bama: Internet Troll.

I think the resumes speak for themselves.

[Banned]

Barack Hussein Obama: President of the United States of America, Editor Harvard Law Review, Professor (Senior Lecturer) of CONSTITUTIONAL LAW at University of Chicago, Nobel Laureate.

Can you provide a single published paper of this noted scholar as either an undergrad or law school?

[Banned]

Still avoided my question. Who else can Obama kill without due process now that he started this precedent?

Is there any crime or Constitutional violation that he commits that is not kosher with you?

[witchhunt]

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-o ... ntry-wrong

[Banned]

ESPN just announced the split with Hank is now permanent.

[songsmith]

Can you provide a single published paper of this noted scholar as either an undergrad or law school?

Undercover Inssein Joe-bama: Internet Troll.

I can prove this!

I don't know, Joe, maybe he deletes his over-the-top posts like you do.
The U. of Chicago considers him a full-fledged professor, according to FactCheck.org. Fact is, he WAS editor of the Harvard Law Review, a Nobel laureate, and he IS currently President of the United States of America (much to your chagrin and dismay). That you don't have his papers to "dissect" a la Glenn Beck is by no means a negative, it shows that he understands the attack machine. I actually applaud him for it.
As for Bocephus, all his rowdy friends think constant Hitler comparisons signal an inability to manufacture any better attacks, and ALL your rowdy friends feel the same about you.
I know people who know him well, and they generally admit he's not the brightest crayon in the box. I don't care about that where his music is concerned, but he hasn't set the world on fire with anything in the last 20 years.

[Banned]

What post do you think I deleted? If I call you an asswipe and ignorant as a turd, egotistical, self centered, a little stump with a Napoleon complex, I mean it and it is true. Why would I delete it?

I would like to read just one paper this "scholar" has written. Why can't we? What is he hiding?

[RobTheDrummer]

The thing that pisses me off about this whole thing, is this: It shows how spineless and how people are "offended" and "sensitive" to people's opinions these days. What a bunch of politically correct bullshit that all of the sheeple will just shrug at and move on. The left are a bunch of sensitive pussies, who can't deal with opinions who differ from their own, so they create a way to punish those with whom they disagree.

[songsmith]

If I call you an asswipe and ignorant as a turd, egotistical, self centered, a little stump with a Napoleon complex, I mean it and it is true.

Further proof of your complete inability to distinguish fact from opinion.

The nut is beginning to crack...

Oh, and explain the Napoleon complex. I can imagine you thought Napoleon was a flavor of ice cream.

[RobTheDrummer]

Listen guys, enough with the personal attacks. We are grown men here, we can debate issues without being a bunch of ignorant fools. I still like all you guys, regardless of what our beliefs are. When we start attacking each other on a personal level, nothing good can arise.

[Bloodsong]

i think some of you are missing the point. we have freedom of speech, but not freedom from consequences and reaction to the words we use. tell your boss the's a fuckwad and see how long you have a job. Williams was an employee of ESPN and represents the company- so you may want to skip the Hitler card. trust me, if Chris Berman or Tom Jackson called George Bush the new Hitler, ESPN would have fired them too.

[Don Hughes]

Here is the funny part in this story:

Not even two hours before, Gretchen Carlson has asked why we gave all these celebrities so much attention when they are not in politics, in response to the uproar Roseanne Barr started when she said that all rich people should be beheaded for not giving their money to charity...

Not even two hours later, they bring in Hank Williams Jr???

Not busting on any political party, just Fox News.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-o ... share_copy

[RobTheDrummer]

i think some of you are missing the point. we have freedom of speech, but not freedom from consequences and reaction to the words we use. tell your boss the's a fuckwad and see how long you have a job. Williams was an employee of ESPN and represents the company- so you may want to skip the Hitler card. trust me, if Chris Berman or om Jackson called George Bush the new Hitler, ESPN would have fired them too.

You are missing the point, he DIDN'T CALL OBAMA HITLER! He made a comparison to enemies playing golf together. He made a political statement. Why was he asked to even be on a political show? What was he supposed to do? Sit there and say DUH? Was he supposed to just be vanilla? What's the point of that?

[RobTheDrummer]

Here is the funny part in this story:

Not even two hours before, Gretchen Carlson has asked why we gave all these celebrities so much attention when they are not in politics, in response to the uproar Roseanne Barr started when she said that all rich people should be beheaded for not giving their money to charity...

Not even two hours later, they bring in Hank Williams Jr???

Not busting on any political party, just Fox News.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-o ... share_copy

By the way, Roseanne Barr should have her head chopped off for just making that statement.

[Don Hughes]

Watch it Rob, you don't want to offend any feminists.

[bassist_25]

You are missing the point, he DIDN'T CALL OBAMA HITLER! He made a comparison to enemies playing golf together. He made a political statement. Why was he asked to even be on a political show? What was he supposed to do? Sit there and say DUH? Was he supposed to just be vanilla? What's the point of that?

Jason's still correct. Williams was let go due to something he said; aruging about the substance of what he said is just a red herring. The fact of the matter is he said something that apparently Monday Night Football deemed to be counter to their interests (which I imagine are financial interests rather than political interests). Williams doesn't have tenure to make controversial statements and have employment protection the way an academic does. With that said, I do not know the nature of the legal relationship Williams had with football; it may be possible that he could sue for breach of contract and win depending on how his contract was written.

As far as the normative value judgment of whether or not Williams should have been let go, yeah, it probably was asinine. You can't control how people will interpret what you say. But before everyone jumps on the "...it's because he's not a flaming liberal" bandwagon, which a few have already done, remember that Don Imus and Bill Maher - both fairly liberal men - lost their shows due to misinterpretation of something they said while on the air. It happens. You have 1st Amendment rights when it comes to persecution from the government. It does not extend to private entities. First Amendment rights only extend to you if you're a public employee. I think we talked about this same thing about a year and a half ago when Joltin' Jeff published something on this forum, which resulted in his boss almost firing him.

The thing that pisses me off about this whole thing, is this: It shows how spineless and how people are "offended" and "sensitive" to people's opinions these days. What a bunch of politically correct bullshit that all of the sheeple will just shrug at and move on. The left are a bunch of sensitive pussies, who can't deal with opinions who differ from their own, so they create a way to punish those with whom they disagree.

I agree with your argument that people in the public sphere have trouble dealing with other people's opinions. I disagree with you that it's political wing-specific. Listen to any right-wing talk radio and take note of the hosts get in a huff when someone calls in with whom they disagree. I know you and Frank think that it's all one-sided, but there's enough belligerent discourse to go around.

[RobTheDrummer]

I see where you are coming from Paul, on the employer's side of things. You can't deny that it's bullshit though. I bet more people would vote to keep him on, than off.

I also know that both sides right and left are too PC about everything. Just listen to some good old George Carlin about that stuff.

I think Williams' comments were taken out of context, and ESPN has "liberal" leanings, which led to his "resignation."

Don Imus said :"Nappy headed Hos" about a black women's college sports team....

Maher said this right after 9-11: "We have been the cowards. Lobbing cruise missiles from two thousand miles away. That's cowardly. Staying in the airplane when it hits the building. Say what you want about it. Not cowardly. You're right."

Sorry, but Williams' comments aren't quite up to par with those in my mind, but who am I to judge?

[Banned]

Hank wrote a song about this whole episode.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/ ... 0-08-21-58

[Hawk]

ESPN just announced the split with Hank is now permanent.

Why do you have a problem with the firing of Hank ? Is this the same undercoverjoe that argued that every radio station had the right to stop playing Dixie Chicks because one of them said GW was an embarrassment ?

Where is your same passion and support for the right of CBS to stop playing Hank ?

hypocritejoe should be backing CBS's RIGHT to fire Hank.

[Hawk]

The thing that pisses me off about this whole thing, is this: It shows how spineless and how people are "offended" and "sensitive" to people's opinions these days. What a bunch of politically correct bullshit that all of the sheeple will just shrug at and move on. The left are a bunch of sensitive pussies, who can't deal with opinions who differ from their own, so they create a way to punish those with whom they disagree.

To yet another hypocrit. Where was this opinion when the Dixie Chicks lost radio air play because they said Bush embarrassed them ?

Lets go back to those posts and see how you right wing nuts are total hypocrites.

Let's see. Bush was an "embarrassment" ? Evil ? No. But it pissed off the right wing.
Obama refered to as Hitler ? Evil ? Yes. But the right wing has no problem with this ?

Rob, did you forget this uproar about the Dixie Chicks ? Selective memory ?

[Banned]

ESPN just announced the split with Hank is now permanent.

Why do you have a problem with the firing of Hank ? Is this the same undercoverjoe that argued that every radio station had the right to stop playing Dixie Chicks because one of them said GW was an embarrassment ?

Where is your same passion and support for the right of CBS to stop playing Hank ?

hypocritejoe should be backing CBS's RIGHT to fire Hank.

Why do you try to make up what I am thinking? I just posted that the split is now permanent. Period. No other opinion was expressed in that post. ESPN has the right to hire and fire anyone they want. They do have a history of firing anyone that is not a koolaid drinking liberal, but that is their right.

[RobTheDrummer]

The Dixie Chicks had nothing happen. They weren't fired from anything, or dropped from anything. Also, the Dixie Chicks outright said negative things about Bush. Hank DIDN'T EVEN CALL OBAMA HITLER....he made an analogy, big deal.

[songsmith]

Wrong. The Dixie Chicks were featured on every radio talkshow, Hannity devoted nearly a week to character assassination alone, Fox News was all over it, and the biggest selling female group in country history went from back-to-back-to-back number one singles to zero airplay. I'm not the biggest Dixie Chick fan because of their "Goodbye Earl" man-hate, but I dislike historical re-writes even more. What's good for the goose is good for the gander, and Bocephus stuck his foot in his mouth. This new song he has will tank, as soon as he sings the words,"United Socialist States Of America," the vast majority of people will click the "stop" button. He had his time, and I'll hang onto my classic Hank Jr. stuff from when he was good, thirty-plus years ago.

[Banned]

Wrong. The Dixie Chicks were featured on every radio talkshow, Hannity devoted nearly a week to character assassination alone, Fox News was all over it, and the biggest selling female group in country history went from back-to-back-to-back number one singles to zero airplay. I'm not the biggest Dixie Chick fan because of their "Goodbye Earl" man-hate, but I dislike historical re-writes even more. What's good for the goose is good for the gander, and Bocephus stuck his foot in his mouth. This new song he has will tank, as soon as he sings the words,"United Socialist States Of America," the vast majority of people will click the "stop" button. He had his time, and I'll hang onto my classic Hank Jr. stuff from when he was good, thirty-plus years ago.

As Rob stated, they were not "fired" from anything. If you disagree, show proof. We do live in the United Socialist States of American. The song will do well if its a good song. Most of his fans will agree with the lyrics anyway.

I have his first album he made after his climbing fall, about 35 years ago, with Toy Caldwell and some other Marshall Tucker players on it. Its great.

[f.sciarrillo]

The Dixie Chicks also knew what they were saying and meant it the way people interpreted it. No one took what Hank jr. was saying the way he said it, or meant it.