The Big Lie

[Imgrimm01]

I resent that I think !! Hey I make no apologies for my political beliefs and my passion towards them, but here's what I will do ,I will not post another political thread EVER, this can remain a "music only" site , I do remind you all though if you barry your head in the sand and accept everything that is beacuse it's simpler that way or because you think that is the way it has to be, in 10 years we may not have the right to post on the internet about anything OR maybe we'll just have to pay $1.00 per post ! NO POLITICS FROM HERE ON OUT !! Peacefully I say Good Night.

[Ron]

maybe we'll just have to pay $1.00 per post !

Some nights I dream about that.

[killyourscene]

there's really no need to apologize, grimm. me, i listen to music that is politically driven so in my eyes, it's directly related. bush is a derelict, plain and simple. no one can argue that. this country is over populated with idiots so it was only a matter of time before one got in to the white house. here's the part where somebody diagrees. and then i return with "your band is terrible,...a complete waste of everyone's time." and then we explain our differences away and kiss each other's ass. it's all so pointless.

[lonewolf]

I resent that I think !! Hey I make no apologies for my political beliefs and my passion towards them, but here's what I will do ,I will not post another political thread EVER, this can remain a "music only" site , I do remind you all though if you barry your head in the sand and accept everything that is beacuse it's simpler that way or because you think that is the way it has to be, in 10 years we may not have the right to post on the internet about anything OR maybe we'll just have to pay $1.00 per post ! NO POLITICS FROM HERE ON OUT !! Peacefully I say Good Night.

NOOOOO!!! I enjoy reading your political posts. I'd rather read them than how wonderful and insightful and artistic and intelligent and Bono is. That's borderline politics anyway. Headlines: "Bono brings world peace", "Bono cures aids", "Bono ends Patriots dynasty", "Bono elected emperor of the world for life". Well, its seems like it anyway.

[KMFDM ROB]

For someone to say that we shouldn't be able to post about something in a music forum is ignorant.

Let's think of a few things,

People write music about fictional, and non fictional things. Some people write about a story, or some write about an ex-girlfriend, or even a president who pisses them off.

Life is music, and music is life. I write my music, because life makes me feel the way I do. If I write about an emotion, or a feeling, it's my life feeling.

To say you shouldn't talk about politics in a music forum is ridiculous. We are in the GENERAL discussion section of the board. If it was in the equipment for sale part of the board, or services, then I'd understand.

I'll tell you what pisses me off, I don't smoke, but someone some where got sick from smoking, and sued someone. So they put labels on the packs. Again I don't smoke, I don't like it, and I won't do it, BUT the fact remains, at what point did some moron think it was okay to suck something into their lungs and they wouldn't get sick?

Another thing that pisses me off is, you have Church and religion. At what point does a non-religious person have to respect someone who is, JUST BECAUSE?

What really makes me mad is, "I don't like cuss words, so don't use them". Well I do, and I will.

Or the people who hate pornography, if you don't like it, don't buy it. If you don't like music with a negative message, don't listen to it. I know if I don't like a piece of gear, I don't buy it, no one forces me to. No one forces me to listen to a type of music,

and lastly, no one makes me click on a political thread.

WHat all of these things are getting at is, if you don't like it don't do it.

[BDR]

And what's the deal with Mexican Jumping Beans, I mean, can you eat those things? Will they make you jump around uncontrollably like in the cartoons? Somebody explain that one to me...

r:>)

[Ron]

And what's the deal with Mexican Jumping Beans?... Somebody explain that one to me...
r:>)

You asked for it, Rob.

The amazing lifecycle of the Mexican Jumping Bean :

Mexican Jumping Beans are found in the Rio Mayo region of Mexico, in the states of Sonora and Chihuahua, where a particular shrub of the Spurge family, known as Sebastiana Pavoniana grows. The Mexicans call the plant "Yerba de la Flecha", which means "plant of the arrow", originating from ancient times when they put the milky sap on their arrow tips.
During a critical few days of the year following the seasonal rains, the shrub flowers.
A small insignificant-looking blue moth Laspeyresia Saltitans visits the flowers and lays its eggs on the seedpods. When the eggs hatch, the tiny hungry larvae (baby caterpillars) hastily burrow their way into the developing seedpods.
As the seedpods ripen, they develop a characteristic 3-sided shape, with the larvae continuing to feast safe inside until only the hard woody shell remains. When the seedpods are mature, they fall to the ground and break into 3 beans, one of which may be home to the strange visitor sealed inside.

Quite instinctively, the bean starts to jump...

How does the bean jump ? Having eaten most of the inside of the bean, the larva lines the inside of the bean with silk to make itself comfortable. It then attaches its back legs to the silken wall. To make the bean jump, the larva curls up and then rapidly springs uncurled again, jerking the bean forward.

Why does the bean jump ? Exactly why the larva should expend so much energy making the bean jump, sometimes for almost a year, remains one of nature’s mysteries. Where the beans fall is liable to be hot and sunny, and they might be fried in the sun, trodden on, or eaten by an animal eager for a tasty meat-filled bean snack.
The most likely explanation seems that by jumping, the bean will move itself into a safe place where the larva can relax, pupate and undergo the miracle of metamorphosis ready to continue the life cycle.
Although the beans do jump most when they are warm or in light, fresh ones often jump vigorously even when they are not especially warm, so maybe the movement is also a way to spread the creature's "gene pool".
Rapid movement or knocking will surprise them and they usually "play dead" for a while, presumably to evade predators, although knocking against each other doesn't seem to have the same effect – Do they somehow know that their friends are nearby ?

For how long ? Each bean usually continues to jump for many months until it finds a place where it remains cool and dark. Typically, "pet" beans will jump well for many months after they have been gathered, although with great care they can keep going for almost a year, but they do gradually get more "tired".

What exactly makes it stop jumping ? The creature has a natural "calendar" which helps it to get the timing right so that the lifecycle carries on at the right time each year. This "calendar" senses the natural change of light and dark, warm and cold as the days and seasons pass. It works with three separate hormones, or "chemical messengers" made inside the larva's body.
(Hormones control how a creature's body grows and changes; we humans have lots of them !)
The first hormone in the jumping bean is called "Juvenile Hormone", and this comes from two glands called the "Corpora Allata" just behind the larva's tiny brain. As long as the larva is making plenty of the Juvenile Hormone, it will keep jumping.
The second hormone called "Prothoracicotropic Hormone" is actually made inside its brain. This affects some glands called the "Prothoracic Glands" to make the third hormone called "Ecdysone" which normally governs the way that the larva grows.
When the right time approaches to stop jumping, the Corpora Allata make less Juvenile Hormone and things start to change...
As the amount of Juvenile Hormone reduces, the Ecdysone hormone starts to have a different effect. The larva stops jumping and prepares to pupate...

A nice rest... When the Ecdysone hormone starts to signal the larva's body to change, it nibbles a tiny, perfectly circular "trapdoor" in the bean, spins a silk cocoon around itself, and settles down as a pupa (or "cocoon") for a well-earned rest. The little trapdoor usually remains attached by one small part to keep the occupant private until it is ready to leave. (It's just as well that it instinctively knows to prepare the trapdoor, because as a moth it doesn't have to ability to cut it. If the larva forgot to make the trapdoor, it would have a nasty surprise when it had turned into a moth and found itself trapped inside the bean !)
Over the next few weeks, metamorphosis takes place and the bean remains apparently quite inert until it senses that the seasonal rainfall has returned, usually in June. After 20 or 21 days, the moth pushes the trapdoor open and emerges - miraculously at exactly at the right time to catch the Sebastiana Pavoniana shrub flowering!
The little moth sits and stretches its wings in the sun for a while, then flies off. It now has only a very few days of life remaining to mate, find a shrub and lay its eggs to complete the lifecycle.
Beans which have stopped jumping because they have been left cold and dark may wait many months until the critical day arrives to catch the exact timing of the rains, and synchronise their emergence with the flowering of Sebastiana Pavoniana.

Maybe Rockpage needs a "bean" forum.
(Note for further "bean" discussions: the above "wink" smiley can also fill in as the S.B.D. smiley)