THE POLITICAL ARENA!!! Political Gladiators Inside!!

[Hawk]

I have an handy rule of thumb that works well for things constitutional. If it crosses state lines, the feds can regulate it. Certainly food and drugs can fall in this category and a certain level of federal oversight is justified.

Oh I get it. We should live by Jeff's rules... Let's call Congress, the President and the Supreme Court and tell them Jeff has a rule.

Nope, wrong again...only this time I will add: "AS USUAL." Jeff goes by Congress's rules and Congress goes by the Supreme Court's rules. Just about every piece of regulation legislation that Congress submits has a canned preamble: "

"Findings- Congress finds that--

(1) the manufacture, distribution, and importation of xxxxxxxx is inherently commercial in nature;
(2) xxxxxxxx regularly move in interstate commerce;
(3) to the extent that xxxxxxxx trafficking is intrastate in nature, it arises out of and is substantially connected with a commercial transaction, which, when viewed in the aggregate, substantially affects interstate commerce;
(4) because the intrastate and interstate trafficking of xxxxxxxx are so commingled, full regulation of interstate commerce requires the incidental regulation of intrastate commerce;"

But, you didn't know that, did you? You just went off again and got all sarcastic and fell a little further into the ignorance abyss. Good thing I am here to enlighten you about such things, isn't it?

I have conceded more than once that I learn from you. Now is your ego all better ?

We have discussed the constitution and the federalist papers before. You have your interpretation and the supreme court has a different one.

Still waiting for you to explain Jeff's Rule (don't post what you don't know) to Joe...

[lonewolf]

Still waiting for you to explain Jeff's Rule (don't post what you don't know) to Joe...

You have done a good a job of that already.

One thing about Joe's posts, though. He nearly always has a link that "backs up" what he says. They aren't always the most reliable sources, but they there, nonetheless.

[Banned]

Does not matter what you say to Bill. His is a good little Nazi, he will lie and twist and alter everything to protect his fascist government.

He is proud of George Soros who sold out his own Jewish brothers to the Nazis in WWII to be murdered. One Nazi, Bill, proud of Soros, a Jew who helped other Jews get murdered by Nazis.

Hitler could have never come to power without a lot of little people just like Bill. Nazi enablers. All for the good of the state.

[Hawk]

A funny / ironic story and a sad story form my personal experience.

I'm in a home in Martinsburg. The people are originally from Philadelphia. The bought a very nice piece of property and built a nice house.

During my casual conversation with the wife the talk goes to TV. She says, I'll never watch Dancing with the Stars again. I asked why. "Because they had Sarah Palin on" was her answer. We quickly found common ground relative to politics. She joked that her friends in Philadelphia asked her why she was moving to Alabama (there word for central PA and it reputation).

Two day later I was in a house / mansion near Raystown Lake. The guy had just built a get-away secluded mansion for himself and his friends. He is a realtor from Washington DC. Two minutes after I was there he started complaining about Republicans and how they're screwing with our economy. (He mentioned to me that while he was rich, he was just in the right place, with the right job at the right time after he retired from the military). We too, got along well discussing politics.


I told him about the people from Philly I had he asked if I could arrange for him to meet them.

The very next week I was in another home in Martinsburg. The lady had a picture of Obama hanging in the room I was in. I ask if someone in the family was an Obama fan. She very wearily answered, Yeeaah, Why ?

We quickly enjoyed a liberal conversation. Then I mentioned that I had just met another liberal in Martinsburg. She said. "Oh L_______?. Yep she nailed it. Are there only two Democrat families in Martinsburg / Alabama ?
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Last year I was in a church in Philipsburg. The pianist (I had been in her home many times) told me Obama was the anti-Christ. When I pointed out that he was not the anti-Christ she sat down and began to cry. Because Obama (as the anti-Christ) represented the end of days and I didn't get it. I never heard from her or her church again.

Expect to hear a lot more "Obama is the anti-Christ from the right wing in the next election, because they know how gullible people are.

[Hawk]

Does not matter what you say to Bill. His is a good little Nazi, he will lie and twist and alter everything to protect his fascist government.

He is proud of George Soros who sold out his own Jewish brothers to the Nazis in WWII to be murdered. One Nazi, Bill, proud of Soros, a Jew who helped other Jews get murdered by Nazis.

Hitler could have never come to power without a lot of little people just like Bill. Nazi enablers. All for the good of the state.

More absurdity when you just LOST the argument .

Now tell me specifically please, about the 13 year old Soros ? How he was told by the Nazi's to deliver names to a Rabi and these people were to gather for some unknown (to Soros) reason ? That's about the time his father changed his name to Soros and moved him in with a Christian family to save his life isn't it ?

I have no idea how I would have reacted to the SS if I was 13 year old Jew. I suppose Joe (if he were Jewish) would have just asked for a ride to Auschwitz.

[songsmith]

You have missed the whole point. You said you want a free country. What is free about American armed federal agents raiding an American company with American workers over another country and its law? You defend this action. Why, what is free about this?

It's one corporation pitted against the other, dum-dum. The gov't isn't really involved, other than as a tool for prosecution. It's dirty corporate bullsh*t, and I am not the laissez-faire libertarian here, YOU ARE. They are free to sic the dogs on each other, according to YOUR wants and needs, as prescribed by your media.
Let's put this into terms you can (possibly) understand. One NRA guy gets mad at another NRA guy for undercutting his price on illegal Uzi's, so he pulls out his legally-registered pistol and shoots the other one. You're blaming the pistol, not the NRA guys or the illegal deal taking place. Martin used the gov't as a weapon.
I'm not the one always bawl-babying about Big Business being allowed to do whatever they want, YOU ARE. This is the reality of a free market. Business plays dirty, big flippin' surprise. I want a free country. Free from your effed-up definition of everything.
I have to say, today has become one of the funniest in recent memory, and that's saying alot. Everytime I think you might actually climb out of the tar-pit, you roll over on your back, and try struggling even harder.

[Hawk]

Does not matter what you say to Bill. His is a good little Nazi, he will lie and twist and alter everything...

Prove it.

I do tend to untwist that which you twist. That's easy to prove. Show me where I lied. Show me where I twisted the truth.

Jeff only managed to point out how thankful I am when I'm corrected.

Now it's your turn.

[Banned]

You have missed the whole point. You said you want a free country. What is free about American armed federal agents raiding an American company with American workers over another country and its law? You defend this action. Why, what is free about this?

It's one corporation pitted against the other, dum-dum. The gov't isn't really involved, other than as a tool for prosecution. It's dirty corporate bullsh*t, and I am not the laissez-faire libertarian here, YOU ARE. They are free to sic the dogs on each other, according to YOUR wants and needs, as prescribed by your media.
Let's put this into terms you can (possibly) understand. One NRA guy gets mad at another NRA guy for undercutting his price on illegal Uzi's, so he pulls out his legally-registered pistol and shoots the other one. You're blaming the pistol, not the NRA guys or the illegal deal taking place. Martin used the gov't as a weapon.
I'm not the one always bawl-babying about Big Business being allowed to do whatever they want, YOU ARE. This is the reality of a free market. Business plays dirty, big flippin' surprise. I want a free country. Free from your effed-up definition of everything.
I have to say, today has become one of the funniest in recent memory, and that's saying alot. Everytime I think you might actually climb out of the tar-pit, you roll over on your back, and try struggling even harder.

How is a business "free" when the government sends in armed agents???

A free market means armed federal agents raiding American musical instrument manufacturing businesses?? What world do you live in?

We all know you are an asshole, try not to display your stupidity so proudly.

[Banned]

Does not matter what you say to Bill. His is a good little Nazi, he will lie and twist and alter everything...

Prove it.

I do tend to untwist that which you twist. That's easy to prove. Show me where I lied. Show me where I twisted the truth.

Jeff only managed to point out how thankful I am when I'm corrected.

Now it's your turn.

Up yours Nazi, I'm still waiting for you to prove I was lying. You do not believe my links, I do not believe anything in your links.

[songsmith]

How is a business "free" when the government sends in armed agents???

A free market means armed federal agents raiding American musical instrument manufacturing businesses?? What world do you live in?

We all know you are an asshole, try not to display your stupidity so proudly.

Wow, your vag really hurts, doesn't it?
It's one corporation using an existing law to f**k over another one, and that, Mr. Poopy-butt, is the FREE MARKET. The government is just doing the bidding of one of the corporations, JUST THE WAY MR. POOPY-BUTT WANTS.
Did you think that wouldn't happen? That profits weren't more important than integrity? This is the world YOU support, not me. I'm just a low-level Nazi socialist bowing to my Kenyan Fuhrer.
Joe, every day you seal your fate. Every day you slip further and further away. Normally, it would be wrong to mess with you the way I do, but you always double-down, answering your insanity with twice the insanity. You have lost this argument. All you have left is more Baby Huey nonsense, wildly swinging your fists at whomever disagrees. I have some startling realities for you to face:
There is no reality in a zero-government United States. With 330 million people, and 235 years of history, it's not going to be the Third World country you long for.

Nobody in a possible position of power WANTS there to be less government, they just want their guys in charge. Even Our Lord & Saviour, Ron Paul just wants to be President, and not President of Nothing.

The Golden Rule is that the people with the gold make the rules. Corporations want control of YOU, not just me. Everything they fight for ends with you having the least amount of everything, and them having the most of everything.

People lie to you so you agree with them. You do so even as your world crumbles around you.

Finally, and most germaine to this discussion, you may be losing your marbles, or they may already have rolled out into the street. <---you know who, still chortling

[bassist_25]

[Merge]

I have a question: What do all of you think of this??

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics ... ion/42965/

Personally, I don't think a business should be allowed to state in job postings that "jobless need not apply". Also, I don't think lawsuits are the answer. This will lead to "I didn't get hired, so I'm calling a lawyer".

[ToonaRockGuy]

Wow, and I thought some of the music threads on here were completely childish and retarded. I stand corrected.

[bassist_25]

Personally, I don't think a business should be allowed to state in job postings that "jobless need not apply".

Agreed. The fact of the matter, however, is that many employers implement selection protocols that have about as much criterion, construct, and content validity as the the brown lumps my cat leaves in her litter box (I'm on a cat kick today, apparently). Choosing not to hire someone because they got laid off due to economic downturn is one such selection reason that probably lacks validity. However, it can get sticky, because there is validity related to experience; and the analysis could get dicey when determining whether or not an employer hired a person based upon experience or based upon his or her status as a lay-off. With most legislation, a body of case law would have to be built up before a structure of legal analysis is firmed up.

Also, I don't think lawsuits are the answer. This will lead to "I didn't get hired, so I'm calling a lawyer".

Not necessarily. Most alleged violations of labor statutes are first investigated by an agency, such as the DOL, EEOC, or NLRB, and then, upon finding evidence of a violation, the case is tried in front of an administrative law judge. In those cases, the charging party does not have to hire his or her own counsel. At the input stage, when an agency recieves a phone call from a grievant alleging a violation, the agency will generally decide if the case falls within its statutory jurisidiction and is meritorious on its face before a full investigation is conducted. That helps keep frivolous charges from congesting the system.

[Banned]

The government is just doing the bidding of one of the corporations,

Asswipe, shake the fascist shit out of your head, the government involved at all makes this anything but a free country.

God, you really love a fascist Nazi government. Heil Hawk.

[songsmith]

Stop, I'm peeing my pants! I got a "Nazi," two "fascists," and an "asswipe!" It's like you don't even know you're doing it!

Joe, you can't have a country without government. No more United States of America. If that's your goal, you are most certainly not a patriot, and at the very least, you should be watched by the authorities.
Maybe, you already are.

[Don Hughes]

undercoverjoe, you might want to think twice before calling ANYBODY a Nazi. You might just offend someone who has a connection to one of the MILLIONS of people killed by Nazis!

Let's boil this down to it's most simple terms.

Nazis - Responsible for the genocide of millions of people, believed in an Aryan Race (which by the way, "aryan" was originally just a linguistical term).

Bill - Not responsible for the murder of anyone, and to my knowledge, does not believe in their idea of an Aryan Race.

Doesn't sound like a Nazi to me.

Now if you all would excuse me, I have some fake video game zombies to shoot and some old school Ozzy to listen to... or does that make me a menace to society by listening to "the devil's music" and playing a game that supports violence (and before anyone says something, NO, NOBODY ON THIS MESSAGE BOARD HAS CALLED ME A MENACE TO SOCIETY BY LISTENING TO THE DEVIL'S MUSIC AND PLAYING A GAME THAT SUPPORTS VIOLENCE).

[Banned]

Stop, I'm peeing my pants! I got a "Nazi," two "fascists," and an "asswipe!" It's like you don't even know you're doing it!

Joe, you can't have a country without government. No more United States of America. If that's your goal, you are most certainly not a patriot, and at the very least, you should be watched by the authorities.
Maybe, you already are.

I can have a free country without fascists defending an authoritarian government. This government is supposed to be ruled by the Constitution. Can you tell me where in the Constitution the armed federal agents got their authority to raid an American company, with American workers over a law in Madagascar?? You defended this action, why do you like a government with this unauthorized power?

You would have the same person who defended the Nazi government after Kristalnaugh. Lonewolfe asked it once, why are you such a government Nazi?

[songsmith]

Two "Nazi's", an "authoritarian," and a "fascist."

That's enough for me for one day. Have a good evening, joe, the government's watching.

[Banned]

Two "Nazi's", an "authoritarian," and a "fascist."

That's enough for me for one day. Have a good evening, joe, the government's watching.

What are you hiding? Why are you afraid to say why you like a government that acts with unauthorized actions? You say you want a free country, but you support a fascist government? Are you schizophrenic? Or just a plain asshole?

[lonewolf]

I was just wondering about those of you in our congressional district who just love more government.

I can't remember a time when we didn't have King "Bud" Schuster or his progeny, Prince William de Flounder as our representative.

How's that working out for ya?

[songsmith]

What are you hiding? Why are you afraid to say why you like a government that acts with unauthorized actions? You say you want a free country, but you support a fascist government? Are you schizophrenic? Or just a plain asshole?

A "fascist", a "schizophrenic" (kettle/pot,pot/kettle ), and yay, an "asshole!"

What am I hiding? Joe, I think I've been dancing around the obvious for quite some time now. I was sent here by the Kenyan Fuhrer, because the government understands how effective you are at communicating the evils of socialistical authoritosis through the use of ape-sh*t trollery, and constant internet bludgeoning. Hussein figured it out when you became the official Last Birther In America, and recruited a few of us communo-statists to badger you, through constant references to reality and sanity. There has to be several of us, because we have to hold down jobs and families, and you're a worthy, albeit unbalanced opponent. We each take a six-figure salary, and not only do we not pay taxes, we have each been reimbursed for all the taxes our parents and grandparents paid, so we fully appreciate the fascism, Fashion Week, and Plantar Fasciitis, as well.
Well, I can't believe our cover is blown. If only joe wasn't so perceptive and solid! This proves that just because you're a paranoid delusional doesn't mean everyone's not out to get you.
Busted!

[Banned]

Quit lying and posting that you want a free country.

You are too much of a pussy to want to be free. It would scare you.

[songsmith]

Quit lying and posting that you want a free country.

You are too much of a pussy to want to be free. It would scare you.

Ohhh, I got called a "Pussy!" Wow, you showed me, didn't you? And you claimed the definition of "free" for your very own again! We all need to be as "free" as you, josephus... un-encumbered by employment, relationships, state and federal law, societal norms, or reality itself.

Does anyone want to talk politics, or is this thread just for bratty junior-high-level tantrums?

[kayla]

Does anyone want to talk politics, or is this thread just for bratty junior-high-level tantrums?

i was wondering the same. although - i have been reading bill and jeff's posts and my curiousity on politics has been piqued, and i've been doin my own lil research. so i guess this thread does have some positives lol.