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UCJoe + Frank = Tons of empty, useless posts and a whole lot of shit-throwing, crybaby antics. Unbudgable, closeminded, if your not 100% in agreeance with them, insults will be a plenty.
I'm not sure if that was a joke or what. The laughing icon at the end me it was :lol:

Where have I insulted anyone who doesn't agree with me? Bill calls anyone who doesn't agree with him stupid. Unless you saying me calling the government a failure, or the liberals uncivil is an insult? There is no insult there, only truth. I may not agree with everything he says, but at least I have been civil about it.
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According to renowned democrat strategist, James Carville, President Obama should 'panic, fire people, indict people, and start fighting.'

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UCJoe + Frank = Tons of empty, useless posts and a whole lot of shit-throwing, crybaby antics. Unbudgable, closeminded, if your not 100% in agreeance with them, insults will be a plenty.
I'm not sure if that was a joke or what. The laughing icon at the end me it was :lol:

Where have I insulted anyone who doesn't agree with me? Bill calls anyone who doesn't agree with him stupid. Unless you saying me calling the government a failure, or the liberals uncivil is an insult? There is no insult there, only truth. I may not agree with everything he says, but at least I have been civil about it.
Yes, frank, you and ucj are both jokes. :lol: That's me laughing at you. :lol: And that's me laughing at joe. :lol: :lol: I love starting my day with a good laugh and you jokers never cease to deliver. :lol:
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whitedevilone wrote: Trust me bro when hear the word whiner tossed around YOU come to mind in an instant.
Wow, something must be wrong with your perception if ucjoe and frank doesn't come to mind in an instant. :roll:

This is how I see it, in a nutshell..

Hawk = seemingly intelligent ,seemingly factual poster with substance. Able to see different points of view and can debate intellectually without slanderous remarks toward anyones character.

UCJoe + Frank = Tons of empty, useless posts and a whole lot of shit-throwing, crybaby antics. Unbudgable, closeminded, if your not 100% in agreeance with them, insults will be a plenty.


Isn't crystal clear who the whiners are? :roll: :D
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whitedevilone wrote:Also Bill,i've worked for the same millionaire for 17+ years and the last 3 have been his worst EVER!!We went from 15 crews down to me and one other fellow.So shelve the poor are getting poorer while the rich are getting richer bullshit cause it doesn't hold water,i know first hand.Your boy is practicing "trickle up poverty"to quote a man far wiser than you.Wealth is the cure for the human condition.Wealth betters peoples lives and gives people jobs.Government does NOTHING but create red tape and hand out cheese.Yea government.Such a tool.
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The Rich Are Now Richer Than Before the 2008 Credit Meltdown
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Unemployment is at 9.2%, and the ruins of the U.S. housing market are still smoldering after the 2008 bonfire. But the planet's rich are getting richer, especially in the growing BRIC economies.

In fact, there are more rich people today than there were before the credit crisis destroyed Lehman Brothers and Bear Stearns and nearly crippled the world's financial industry.

A study from Capgemini and Bank of America Merrill Lynch showed that the world's population of high-networth individuals (HNWI), with $1 million or more in investable assets, jumped 8.3% over the last year to a total of 10.9 million people. That number is up from the 2007 tally of 10.1 million tycoons.

Not only are there more rich, but they're also richer. Their financial wealth jumped 9.7% over the last year to $42.7 trillion. Meanwhile, the U.S. GDP grew 1.9% in the first quarter of 2011, according to the U.S. Department of Commerce.

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Nothing wrong with being rich.

The point is that we were told that if we cut their taxes to make them richer we would be rewarded with more jobs. Where are they ?

The rich decided to hoard their money by the Trillions rather than create jobs. Trickle down economics and tax cuts didn't work. And the top 5% are having a good laugh on all of the middles class that supports those tax cuts.
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What's wrong with rich people? I thought that was a good thing....
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Hahaha,I call Obama an idiot and you call me a "whiner" because I asked a question that I may not have known the answer to,sorry,I should have researched it a little more,my bad.I can see if I called you the idiot,but I guess you can be "real clever" and resort to name calling and it's all ok? What the fuck ever.
This "question" sounds like you're complaining about Obama not wanting to drill. You did not ask if we are drilling more. You slammed him for not wanting to drill. Complaining = Whining...semantics...
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So,you say the oil industry creates jobs? Well then why the hell does Obama not want to drill for oil in this country?

"What the fuck ever". Same shit from people who have to deal with facts. You just can't take the truth. So you resort to foul language and insults. At least you are consistent. :roll:
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RobTheDrummer wrote:What's wrong with rich people? I thought that was a good thing....
Nothing wrong with being rich, who said anything otherwise ?

The point is that we were told that if we cut their taxes to make them richer we would be rewarded with more jobs. Where are they ?

The rich decided to hoard their money by the Trillions rather than create jobs. Trickle down economics and tax cuts didn't work. And the top 5% are having a good laugh on all of the middles class that supports those tax cuts.
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Betting short on a currency is not capitalism.
That's about as close to pure capitalism as you can get.

Using capital to make more capital from trading on the value of capital.
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UCJoe + Frank = Tons of empty, useless posts and a whole lot of shit-throwing, crybaby antics. Unbudgable, closeminded, if your not 100% in agreeance with them, insults will be a plenty.
I'm not sure if that was a joke or what. The laughing icon at the end me it was :lol:

Where have I insulted anyone who doesn't agree with me? Bill calls anyone who doesn't agree with him stupid. Unless you saying me calling the government a failure, or the liberals uncivil is an insult? There is no insult there, only truth. I may not agree with everything he says, but at least I have been civil about it.
No, you can disagree with me all you want. lonewolf does and he is smart. I find you to be stupid when you don't know the facts or when you can only parrot what you heard.
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RobTheDrummer wrote:What's wrong with rich people? I thought that was a good thing....
I say rich people ruined our economy, and made themselves richer in the process. I don't think working-class or poor people ruined it, and I know old people and kids didn't ruin it, though they have to pay the price.
Joe, however has differing opinions. It's okay to be rich, but only if you're Republican. Otherwise, you're a socialist. :lol:
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Songsmith ruined the country. Losers like him who do not pay federal income taxes hurt the country. Losers who don't pay federal income taxes and then actually receive an Earned Income Tax Refund check are the ones who have ruined this country. No wonder they love the Nanny State, they keep taking money from it, and contribute nothing.
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undercoverjoe wrote:Songsmith ruined the country. Losers like him who do not pay federal income taxes hurt the country. Losers who don't pay federal income taxes and then actually receive an Earned Income Tax Refund check are the ones who have ruined this country. No wonder they love the Nanny State, they keep taking money from it, and contribute nothing.

Your maturity level is off the charts. :lol: I bet songsmith could woop yer ass, loser. :lol: :lol:
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undercoverjoe wrote:Songsmith ruined the country. Losers like him who do not pay federal income taxes hurt the country. Losers who don't pay federal income taxes and then actually receive an Earned Income Tax Refund check are the ones who have ruined this country. No wonder they love the Nanny State, they keep taking money from it, and contribute nothing.
I don't know about Songsmith.

If workers were paid enough, they would pay taxes Joe. Given that the rich are getting richer on the backs of said workers, they should pay them enough to pay their own taxes. Then we wouldn't need to increase taxes on the rich.
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Hawk wrote:
undercoverjoe wrote:Songsmith ruined the country. Losers like him who do not pay federal income taxes hurt the country. Losers who don't pay federal income taxes and then actually receive an Earned Income Tax Refund check are the ones who have ruined this country. No wonder they love the Nanny State, they keep taking money from it, and contribute nothing.
I don't know about Songsmith.

If workers were paid enough, they would pay taxes Joe. Given that the rich are getting richer on the backs of said workers, they should pay them enough to pay their own taxes. Then we wouldn't need to increase taxes on the rich.
50% of workers do not pay federal income taxes. Why not? If one has to pay taxes, all should.
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undercoverjoe wrote:Songsmith ruined the country. Losers like him who do not pay federal income taxes hurt the country. Losers who don't pay federal income taxes and then actually receive an Earned Income Tax Refund check are the ones who have ruined this country. No wonder they love the Nanny State, they keep taking money from it, and contribute nothing.
I don't know about Songsmith.

If workers were paid enough, they would pay taxes Joe. Given that the rich are getting richer on the backs of said workers, they should pay them enough to pay their own taxes. Then we wouldn't need to increase taxes on the rich.
50% of workers do not pay federal income taxes. Why not? If one has to pay taxes, all should.
Yeah Joe and you can get blood out of a rock. Pay them enough to pay income taxes. As you already know, they do pay other taxes.

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The Founding Fathers rebelled from Great Britain over a 3% tax on tea. The much greater authoritarian government today takes over 50% of our money with taxes and hidden user fees. I would say the colonists had more freedom than we do now.

You relish your role as a slave to a fascist state.
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undercoverjoe wrote:The Founding Fathers rebelled from Great Britain over a 3% tax on tea. The much greater authoritarian government today takes over 50% of our money with taxes and hidden user fees. I would say the colonists had more freedom than we do now.

You relish your role as a slave to a fascist state.
Showing your lack of education. The Tea Party was NOT about complaining about PAYING taxes. (God, 5th grade teacher Sister Edward would be so proud of me.) It was about "No taxation WITHOUT REPRESENTATION". They were complaining that they wanted the colonies to be represented in Britain.

Joe, you are represented and we are FREE to vote for whom we want. It's just that no one votes according to Joe that's what has you frustrated.

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Joe, you are represented and we are FREE to vote for whom we want.
This is where Goethe is most appropriate. You get to vote for who the 2 parties decide to let you vote for. The American public does not get free choice.

It is a choice between a douche bag and a turd sandwich.

Do you really think that B. Hussein Obama and John McCain were the 2 best choices to run this country, of over 300 million possibilities???? And he says I live in a fantasy.
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Joe, you are represented and we are FREE to vote for whom we want.
This is where Goethe is most appropriate. You get to vote for who the 2 parties decide to let you vote for. The American public does not get free choice.

It is a choice between a douche bag and a turd sandwich.

Do you really think that B. Hussein Obama and John McCain were the 2 best choices to run this country, of over 300 million possibilities???? And he says I live in a fantasy.
Goethe has you too focused on being a slave.

Throughout history, with only a few exceptions, elected politicians were affiliated with a political party. Party support however, seems to be more important than ever before, given the money involved in elections.

The people who control the money choose the candidates. And with super pack money, the people who control super pack money will not only choose the cantidates but they will choose the winners. I'm surprised you don't have a problem with that.

So yes, our personal representation is not what it should be. Even with that said, we can still vote out the ones we don't want.

We need a revolution to take out bribery (they call it lobbying) and we need term limits. We need politicians who are politicians for the people and not politicians who are in it for the money. There is a lot of money being funneled to the Tea Party because the powerfully rich like the tea party ideas. But you will NEVER find the rich who would support taking away their power.

The Supreme Court says money = words = freedom of expression. Unfortunately, 5% of Americans have a lot more "expression" than the other 95% of us and they wield it like a light saber over the politicians.

So while you fear laws and regulations of the federal government being based for and on the common man. I fear that the laws and regulations will be focused on keeping the ones in office indebted to the powerfully rich. A direction we should be keeping an eye on.

You want to have freedom to choose the best candidate ? Take away the money that supports the ones we are given to choose from.
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Obama is seriously talking about raising a Billion dollars for this coming election and you are worried others raising money. Billionaire George Soros underwrites the democrat party and you are worried about pacs. There is no registered Tea Party and no candidate running for president is a registered member of a Tea Party. Why are you so scared of them?

When you finally face reality, we can have a real discussion.
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There are more people in the democratic party thinking that Obama won't win. I was hearing something on the radio this week about how there is a group of Dems trying to get Hillary to run against him in the primary. I don't think that would happen. But it is kinda funny if you think about it. Frankly, I don't think Hillary would beat him in the Primary. I am sure she knows it as well. None of the republican front runners are looking to good either. This is going to be an interesting election.

Did anyone see his jobs acts bill? Here is the bill -> http://www.scribd.com/fullscreen/64723281 < - It is 155 pages. So happy reading.
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undercoverjoe wrote:Obama is seriously talking about raising a Billion dollars for this coming election and you are worried others raising money. Billionaire George Soros underwrites the democrat party and you are worried about packs. There is no registered Tea Party and no candidate running for president is a registered member of a Tea Party. Why are you so scared of them?

When you finally face reality, we can have a real discussion.
Money buys politicians. I guess as long as they buy the ones you like you have NO problem with it .

You don't like the candidates that the two party system brings to the table yet you have no problem that some super rich people are putting them there ? Please explain that paradox ? (A paradox is a seemingly true statement or group of statements that lead to a contradiction or a situation which seems to defy logic or intuition.) And your statements defy logic...


On the other hand, I don't like big money buying politicians on either side. But the "reality" IS they are. Why would you disagree with that ?

Now tell me Joe, why you don't mind super pack money buying politicians ? Should a small portion of the top 5% of the super rich be influencing/buying elections ? You have a problem with Soros because he supports the democrats. Would you be okay if 90% of super pack money went to democrats ?

I don't get how ANY American can be FOR a few people buying elections / politicians who run our country. Joe ? Can you fill me in ?

I have no problem with the Tea Party. My point is that big money and Fox and the likes of Limbaugh support them. Why, the super rich want more money for more power. They want less regulations so that they can pollute more without restrictions, to make themselves richer. On and on.
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Obama does not need super pacs, he just steals our money. He just make sure his big fundraisers get guaranteed loans from the US taxpayers for $535 Million.

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The White House faced mounting political complications as a second top fundraiser for President Obama was linked to a federal loan guarantee program that backed a now-bankrupt Silicon Valley solar energy company, and as two California lawmakers called for investigations of a state tax break granted to the firm.
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undercoverjoe wrote:Songsmith ruined the country. Losers like him who do not pay federal income taxes hurt the country. Losers who don't pay federal income taxes and then actually receive an Earned Income Tax Refund check are the ones who have ruined this country. No wonder they love the Nanny State, they keep taking money from it, and contribute nothing.
Okay, I played along with this one long enough. I usually get a refund, because I have extra taken out of my paycheck every week, just in case. I also pay payroll tax, SocSec, and sales taxes (businesses don't pay that). I don't even remember saying I got an Earned Income Tax Credit, but you seem TOO interested in it. I don't usually kick a guy when he's down, but you're making it look like I'm taking food out of babies' mouths, SO:

1) Aren't tax refunds a GOOD thing in the eyes of radical conservatives like you? If so, that would mean you're not really for low taxation, you're an elitist, and you don't believe in equality. Choose a side, and show some guts, for once.
2) Are unemployment checks taxable? Do you pay the full burden of taxes for a U.S. citizen? Be honest, for once.
3) Do you support Obama's plan to extend unemployment compensation for another 6 months, or are you ready to work at McDonald's yet? Remember, there's nothing wrong with taking a lesser-paying job, that's all there are, if you're lucky. Be humble, for once.
4) I've always worked at least two income streams, my entire adult life. I worked 2 jobs yesterday. My wife does, indeed, make more money than me... she has a degree, and works her ass off, too... she deserves it. How about you, Joe? Do you still deserve to be on unemployment? How's the job-search coming? Again, I always try to be cool when somebody's hurting, but how about we look at YOUR reality, and how you like to swipe at everyone else for doing what YOU do, for once.

Without the "nanny state" you'd be selling your plasma right now, so cut a slice of humble pie and wash it down with your Tea, and STFU.
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