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[Hawk]

Joe, the civil rights laws have prevented many racists form implementing whites only establishments. YES Damn it, it is working ! It is accomplishing what it is intended to do !

Libertarianism WILL ENABLE implementing race discrimination and you agree it would happen.

No Joe, I do not think everyone is a racist. But while you were writing your last post I was searching "white power" . They are out there Joe, and I'm glad that Legally they cannot open a place Open to the general public and discriminate based on RACE because of the civil rights act ?

I know you don't think everyone is a racist. But you want to treat us all as if we were with blanket laws that takes away property rights. When you take away property rights from one, you hurt us all. When you back a government that takes away property rights and freedoms, hello fascism.

How many racists do think there are? How many more laws will be needed to eradicate them all?

The Nazi party started blaming the Jews for various problems. It ended with a mass eradication. Maybe you big government proponents ought to be reminded of that.

Funny thing about some white power sites. They are affiliated with the American Nazi Party. Huh ?

[Hawk]

I lost track with where this thread is at. Can someone fill me in? I don't feel like reading all the posts, they are too long.

I'm still for the civil rights act and Joe is still against it. He wants to change the word "race" so as not to be associated with the fact that he is against the civil rights act.

You are now up to speed...

I am for individual freedom and liberty and Bill is for an authoritarian, totalitarian government.

Joe, AGAIN as you need some reminding. The civil rights act was put in place by elected representatives in an American Democracy.

[Banned]

Joe, the civil rights laws have prevented many racists form implementing whites only establishments. YES Damn it, it is working ! It is accomplishing what it is intended to do !

Libertarianism WILL ENABLE implementing race discrimination and you agree it would happen.

No Joe, I do not think everyone is a racist. But while you were writing your last post I was searching "white power" . They are out there Joe, and I'm glad that Legally they cannot open a place Open to the general public and discriminate based on RACE because of the civil rights act ?

I know you don't think everyone is a racist. But you want to treat us all as if we were with blanket laws that takes away property rights. When you take away property rights from one, you hurt us all. When you back a government that takes away property rights and freedoms, hello fascism.

How many racists do think there are? How many more laws will be needed to eradicate them all?

The Nazi party started blaming the Jews for various problems. It ended with a mass eradication. Maybe you big government proponents ought to be reminded of that.

Funny thing about some white power sites. They are affiliated with the American Nazi Party. Huh ?

And that relates to this conversation how?

[Banned]

I'm still for the civil rights act and Joe is still against it. He wants to change the word "race" so as not to be associated with the fact that he is against the civil rights act.

You are now up to speed...

I am for individual freedom and liberty and Bill is for an authoritarian, totalitarian government.

Joe, AGAIN as you need some reminding. The civil rights act was put in place by elected representatives in an American Democracy.

So was slavery. Did that make it right?

[Hawk]

I know you don't think everyone is a racist. But you want to treat us all as if we were with blanket laws that takes away property rights. When you take away property rights from one, you hurt us all. When you back a government that takes away property rights and freedoms, hello fascism.

How many racists do think there are? How many more laws will be needed to eradicate them all?

The Nazi party started blaming the Jews for various problems. It ended with a mass eradication. Maybe you big government proponents ought to be reminded of that.

Funny thing about some white power sites. They are affiliated with the American Nazi Party. Huh ?

And that relates to this conversation how?

Why do you keep reminding me of Nazi's when I'm for equal rights and it is you who is aligned with ENABLING the white power American Nazi party to discriminate against minorities if they (white power Nazi party members) own a public establishment ?

[Hawk]

I am for individual freedom and liberty and Bill is for an authoritarian, totalitarian government.

Joe, AGAIN as you need some reminding. The civil rights act was put in place by elected representatives in an American Democracy.

So was slavery. Did that make it right?

That ended right ? War and all. Some people were worried about allowing blacks to become free or something like that ? Yeah, that's it ! There were people ready to kill or be killed to keep blacks out of some establishments. Go figure ?

[Banned]

What about were our good elected representatives made slavery the law of the land for 80 some years.

Was slavery what was "best" for all? Was there a Bill who lived those 80 years defending his government's choice of slavery as the "best" thing.

Those representatives in a democratic America were elected right? That had to be the law, cannot argue with duly elected representatives of the people, right?

My government, right or wrong, I will be a sheeple and support it all the way.

Oh, were some individual rights oppressed? answer: SLAVERY

[Larry]

I guess the simplest question is: If elected, would the Libertarian Party work to repeal the Civil Rights Act?

[onegunguitar]

Ahhhh,good to see some excitement on RP,it's been too long....hahahahahaha!!!

You started it all Bushy!!!!

No Joe,I just stated about Obama saying it was 2008,Bill and Johnny decided to make more of it than what it was.....wanna argue about it bub? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

[Hawk]

What about were our good elected representatives made slavery the law of the land for 80 some years.

Was slavery what was "best" for all? Was there a Bill who lived those 80 years defending his government's choice of slavery as the "best" thing.

Those representatives in a democratic America were elected right? That had to be the law, cannot argue with duly elected representatives of the people, right?

My government, right or wrong, I will be a sheeple and support it all the way.

Oh, were some individual rights oppressed? answer: SLAVERY

Of course slavery was wrong Joe. As I said (why do you always forget what I say ? ) The government is not always right. The patriot act is wrong, it is against the bill of rights and you were for the patriot act.

[Gallowglass]

Not to interfere, but I'm pretty sure Joe was never for the Patriot Act.

[Hawk]

Not to interfere, but I'm pretty sure Joe was never for the Patriot Act.

I'd have to go back to those archives, but Joe and I argued about it back then, seems to me he argued for it.

[Gallowglass]

That would surprise me. I was strongly against it and I can't remember disagreeing with him over it, but he and I didn't see the whole 9/11 thing and its repercussions the same way for a while. I can definitely tell you that he is against it now and has been for some time.

[Banned]

Once I found out what the Patriot Act really was, as opposed to what they originally said it would be, then I was against it. There was a time when I actually took the government at its word. How naive.

It was sold as just a little tool against the "fight on terror", and now it helps this authoritarian government oppress its citizens.

Bill, you were against so many things that Bush did. Now when Obama is doing the same things, your keyboard remains silent. ??

[Banned]

What about were our good elected representatives made slavery the law of the land for 80 some years.

Was slavery what was "best" for all? Was there a Bill who lived those 80 years defending his government's choice of slavery as the "best" thing.

Those representatives in a democratic America were elected right? That had to be the law, cannot argue with duly elected representatives of the people, right?

My government, right or wrong, I will be a sheeple and support it all the way.

Oh, were some individual rights oppressed? answer: SLAVERY

Of course slavery was wrong Joe. As I said (why do you always forget what I say ? ) The government is not always right. The patriot act is wrong, it is against the bill of rights and you were for the patriot act.

Ok, then the government is wrong when it takes away personal property rights. That what Libertarians want, to return more personal rights and freedoms. Less power to the government. Glad you agree with that.

[songsmith]

Once I found out what the Patriot Act really was, as opposed to what they originally said it would be, then I was against it. There was a time when I actually took the government at its word.

So, you're a flip-flopper. And the only time you took the govt at it's word was, oddly enough, when the people YOU supported were in power, but now those same principles you fought for then are suddenly bad. You get to complain then, and now.

[songsmith]

Can anyone understand that? Is it too much? How can I dumb it down any further?

Thats hysterical? I absolutely OWNED you on our last debate and have yet to see a response other than "poker will save the world" I took your OWN words.... your OWN "logic".... and eventually your OWN research and numbers, and used them against you. You got frustrated. You walked away. So take your best shot at dissecting my logic the way I obliterated yours. And do your best to stick to the actual topic at hand. I'll be right here anxiously awaiting your best efforts.

WTF are you talking about? You injected your hobby into an argument about racism, and went on an on about how it creates jobs, and is all completely above-board, and when I pointed out how untrue that is, you got all butt-hurt. I'm going to walk you through this, because you can't seem to see past your nose: Nobody gives a tinker's damn about your hobby. It is wholly unimportant. The ease of playing your game means exactly the same as the ability to go bowling. Do you understand these words? You never OWNED anything. I got tired of giving you the attention you crave, and exited. You never took my words and research and did anything with them, other than suggest that since the top website had a thousand employees, they all employed that many (untrue). You obliterated something? People can go there and look, and see for themselves. FAIL.

[Banned]

Once I found out what the Patriot Act really was, as opposed to what they originally said it would be, then I was against it. There was a time when I actually took the government at its word.

So, you're a flip-flopper. And the only time you took the govt at it's word was, oddly enough, when the people YOU supported were in power, but now those same principles you fought for then are suddenly bad. You get to complain then, and now.

I have posted about my changing politics throughout my life. I voted for Jimmy Carter when I was in college because we all thought he was going to legalize the herb. Sadly that never happened. Then I became a republican but then I found out they are no different that the democrats (see Bush spending). Now I found the Libertarian Party and Ron Paul.

Many of my posts may see to be against democrats and liberals, they are certainly my political enemies. But so are republicans, none of whom want to cut government as much as needed. I want a much smaller government, at least 50% smaller, that is the only way I can see to get this country out of our current mess.

I will give some republicans a little slack because they are going in the same direction of cutting government spending, but they are nowhere near where they should be to make a real difference. Rep. Ryan's much aligned Bill would still leave a growing debt.

But the democrats are evil demons, wanting nothing but total ruin for this country. Spend, Spend, Spend is their only mantra. Tax the rich is their nightly prayer. A recipe for disaster, as demonstrated by the last 2 1/2 years of the Obamination Oppression.

[songsmith]

What about were our good elected representatives made slavery the law of the land for 80 some years.

Was slavery what was "best" for all? Was there a Bill who lived those 80 years defending his government's choice of slavery as the "best" thing.

Those representatives in a democratic America were elected right? That had to be the law, cannot argue with duly elected representatives of the people, right?

My government, right or wrong, I will be a sheeple and support it all the way.

Oh, were some individual rights oppressed? answer: SLAVERY

Who was it that allowed slavery in the new United States? Founding Fathers. Jefferson, Washington, 20% of the signers of the Constitution. Most of the Libertarian heroes were slave-owners back then. What document did they have to amend, to abolish slavery? The Constitution, what Libertarians claim to enforce. Before the 13th Amendment, slavery must have been considered Constitutional, otherwise it wouldn't have taken an amendment.
Gosh, Joe. You're nearing a meltdown. Defending racism must really be mentally taxing.

[Banned]

Can anyone understand that? Is it too much? How can I dumb it down any further?

Thats hysterical? I absolutely OWNED you on our last debate and have yet to see a response other than "poker will save the world" I took your OWN words.... your OWN "logic".... and eventually your OWN research and numbers, and used them against you. You got frustrated. You walked away. So take your best shot at dissecting my logic the way I obliterated yours. And do your best to stick to the actual topic at hand. I'll be right here anxiously awaiting your best efforts.

WTF are you talking about? You injected your hobby into an argument about racism, and went on an on about how it creates jobs, and is all completely above-board, and when I pointed out how untrue that is, you got all butt-hurt. I'm going to walk you through this, because you can't seem to see past your nose: Nobody gives a tinker's damn about your hobby. It is wholly unimportant. The ease of playing your game means exactly the same as the ability to go bowling. Do you understand these words? You never OWNED anything. I got tired of giving you the attention you crave, and exited. You never took my words and research and did anything with them, other than suggest that since the top website had a thousand employees, they all employed that many (untrue). You obliterated something? People can go there and look, and see for themselves. FAIL.

You keep pointing out all the times Steve is wrong without a shred of evidence other than you typing it. That does not pass as proof here Johnny. He took your rant apart and gave specific answers, and you totally ignore it.

There are RPers shaking their heads and asking what is wrong with you. Are your really that ignorant or is it a disease where you close your mind, ignore all evidence and then pat yourself on the back for being such a big boy.

[Gallowglass]

Johnny, the history of Libertarian philosophy predates the founding fathers and mostly goes back to 18th century European liberalism. Of course these ideas were continued by the 19th century liberals. An awful lot of the founding fathers would be failures by libertarian yardsticks...remember the whole "Federalist" thing that is such a big component of the U.S. Constitution? The whole slavery issue is WAY anti-libertarian. Please do not confuse Libertarianism with Constitutionalism, they are NOT the same thing. Having said that, getting back to the U.S. Constitution would be a step in the right direction compared to the way the government currently runs.

This isn't an attack, bro...just trying to clear up a possible source of misconception.

[songsmith]

Johnny is the smartest person he knows.

No, I'm just smarter than a Libertarian. I don't feel the need to defer to your self-assumed "authority."

He will never answer a direct question. He "reads" all kinds of things into your posts that you never said, and then he insults you about things not posted.

I answer every question you ever ask, and I read between your lines because you're shallow, and it's easy to do. It's easy, because I monitor the same whacko media you quote directly from in nearly every post.

He makes up sources for your information, and then insults you for your sources, even thought he was the one who made it up.

I've never had to "make up" anything. You post completely insane rants, punctuated with links to fringe websites, and call in "proof." You get proven wrong on a daily basis, because while you can have your own opion, you can't have your own FACTS. Somehow, though, that's not important to you.

He wears out his hand patting himself on the back because in his own strange world, he always thinks he is winning.

I don't often pat myself on the back, except in jest, at taking on a handful of you at a time (like this thread). If I think I'm winning, it's because you're easy to beat. I could make it more challenging, perhaps. Maybe write in rhymes, or another language.

His posts reek with conceited, insulting, condescending and arrogant attitudes..

I just LOVE that one. My posts reek of moderate thought, research and flowery alliteration. Yours just reek.

I am just the one to post this, many, many on here think it. You should hear what is said about him.

Sorry, Joey, your paranoia isn't catchy. My inbox tells me otherwise, and I have too much integrity to post what people who claim to be your friends say about you in private, let alone those who you've alienated.
Today seems to be the day I address personal attacks. I rather enjoy it, because it's proof that you have no other recourse. You've spent days defending your right to discriminate, after being embarrassed by a dimwitted link you posted. I've spent the last few days keeping Rockpage from turning into one of your extremist websites.

[mjb]

just what i like to see.. all my friends arguing with each other. johnny how was clearwater? joe,hope to see you sat. hawk, def c u sat! and hope to see all yous at the blues fest on sat at pellies. starting at 9 o'clock 3 great bands and NO COVER! lets get it on!

please continue,

[Banned]

Johnny is the smartest person he knows.

No, I'm just smarter than a Libertarian. I don't feel the need to defer to your self-assumed "authority."

In a pig's eye. (a very big songsmith lie) I like Lonewolf's response.

He will never answer a direct question. He "reads" all kinds of things into your posts that you never said, and then he insults you about things not posted.

I answer every question you ever ask, and I read between your lines because you're shallow, and it's easy to do. It's easy, because I monitor the same whacko media you quote directly from in nearly every post.

You never answer questions, (another lie) and I write my own posts. When I quote, I footnote it or provide the link, something you rarely do.

He makes up sources for your information, and then insults you for your sources, even thought he was the one who made it up.

I've never had to "make up" anything. You post completely insane rants, punctuated with links to fringe websites, and call in "proof." You get proven wrong on a daily basis, because while you can have your own opion, you can't have your own FACTS. Somehow, though, that's not important to you.

You said I used a Libertarian dictionary. Could you first find one and than show me where I used it? NO. This is just one example of many. Another songsmith lie.

He wears out his hand patting himself on the back because in his own strange world, he always thinks he is winning.

I don't often pat myself on the back, except in jest, at taking on a handful of you at a time (like this thread). If I think I'm winning, it's because you're easy to beat. I could make it more challenging, perhaps. Maybe write in rhymes, or another language.

It either patting yourself on the back or eating someone's lunch. Your post reek of that smug attitude. We all know it and laugh at you.

His posts reek with conceited, insulting, condescending and arrogant attitudes..

I just LOVE that one. My posts reek of moderate thought, research and flowery alliteration. Yours just reek.

You never provide any proof of your research, just your opinion, and this might come as a shock, your opinion does not make something true. Moderate???? You are left of Michael Moore.

I am just the one to post this, many, many on here think it. You should hear what is said about him.

Sorry, Joey, your paranoia isn't catchy. My inbox tells me otherwise, and I have too much integrity to post what people who claim to be your friends say about you in private, let alone those who you've alienated.
Today seems to be the day I address personal attacks. I rather enjoy it, because it's proof that you have no other recourse. You've spent days defending your right to discriminate, after being embarrassed by a dimwitted link you posted. I've spent the last few days keeping Rockpage from turning into one of your extremist websites.

I think the best example of your smarmy, snarky, its all about me posts was when JP was losing his job at his former radio show. Most RPers were commiserating with Jim about losing his job, keep your chin up kind of posts until you chimed in. You had to make the thread about how great your are. You went on to say how you got Jim his job in the first place. How arrogant. Who cares if that happened or not? That was not the time to shine your own apple.

Many people noticed how callow that post was, and said, yep, that is just johnny, little prick with the huge ego, getting all the attention back to him.

Most of your posts read like that. You always belittle everyone else and then post what a know it all you are. Except you never give an source of where your "facts" are from. Just belittle, ridicule and insult everyone else's facts and sources. Only you have the true answer, we just need to take your word for it.

[lonewolf]

I have a question.

Can a person's inalienable rights be taken away from them without due process of law?