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[Banned]

Only our Bill can post "I assume" and then claim it was not an assumption.

[Banned]

I honestly can't believe that in 2011 I have to argue for keeping race based segregation and race based discrimination out of places open to the general public.

I'm blown away...Sad commentary for Rockpage ? I don't know ?

Do the majority of you really want to go back to the 1960s ?

Actually, I'd like the government to go back to around 1910.

Yes, before the Income Tax, the Federal Reserve and before President Wilson, a horrible president. He gave us the income tax, WWI, the fed and the League of Nations which seeded the idea of the UN.

[Hawk]

All that it comes down to is that you two support race segregation and race discrimination in the name of Liberty and you're not racists.

I don't know if I should laugh at you or cry for the minorities...

You guys are sad...

[Hawk]

Bill, I am STILL waiting for you to demonstrate how the government changes thought patterns.

The feeble attempts you made only show forced actions by an oppressive government. No minds were changed. Minds need to be changed to end racism.

Are you making a point that racism will never go away ? I don't understand "Minds need to be changed" ?

I never said the government changes thought. you said that. I said they change actions relative to race discrimination. I made a point to say the civil rights act works. Yes it oppressed race discrimination and race segregation and you have a problem with that. I get it.

[lonewolf]

All that it comes down to is that you two support race segregation and race discrimination in the name of Liberty and you're not racists.

I don't know if I should laugh at you or cry for the minorities...

You guys are sad...

Typical neoprog putting words in people's mouth.

Neither of us support race segregation or discrimination. What we also do not support is the government's existing fascist and ill-conceived solution to the problem. If you can't understand the difference, go back to fucking high school.

That doesn't mean we wouldn't like to see a better solution to racism that actually worked and changed people's thoughts rather than made people behave a certain way because they are essentially held at gunpoint.

What is sad is that you blindly assume that government solutions (including this one) are the only possible correct solutions and it doesn't matter who's rights get trampled on to achieve a certain end.

The fact of the matter is that most government ideas are the worst solutions because they are based on political ideology, cronyism and kickbacks rather than logical problem solving.

Now that I have made my positions nice and sparkling clear, let me make something else nice and sparkling clear: If you ever publicly comment, state or otherwise imply that I support racism, discrimination or segregation again, there's gonna be trouble.

I don't deserve that kind of talk and I'm sure as hell not gonna take it.

Since I place a high value on our friendship, this is my final explanation and post on this subject. I'm shutting the fuck up.

[Jasaoke]

Wow, what a henfight.

My question(s) is(are): What exactly do you hope to accomplish by arguing on the internet like this? Do think you're going to change someone's mind? Maybe get the last word?

Maybe a grassroots movement will spring from the Rockpage Forum because of this pecking and forever change the nation and our world.

Get over it, ladies!

What a wonderful music topic we are exploring here.


P.S. I've only read a handfull of your whining and I will read no more on this thread.

[lonewolf]

Wow, what a henfight.

My question(s) is(are): What exactly do you hope to accomplish by arguing on the internet like this? Do think you're going to change someone's mind? Maybe get the last word?

Maybe a grassroots movement will spring from the Rockpage Forum because of this pecking and forever change the nation and our world.

Get over it, ladies!

What a wonderful music topic we are exploring here.


P.S. I've only read a handfull of your whining and I will read no more on this thread.

Now I gotta read from the fucking idiots in the peanut gallery too, huh?

[Hawk]

All that it comes down to is that you two support race segregation and race discrimination in the name of Liberty and you're not racists.

I don't know if I should laugh at you or cry for the minorities...

You guys are sad...

Typical neoprog putting words in people's mouth.

Neither of us support race segregation or discrimination. What we also do not support is the government's existing fascist and ill-conceived solution to the problem. If you can't understand the difference, go back to fucking high school.

That doesn't mean we wouldn't like to see a better solution to racism that actually worked and changed people's thoughts rather than made people behave a certain way because they are essentially held at gunpoint.

What is sad is that you blindly assume that government solutions (including this one) are the only possible correct solutions and it doesn't matter who's rights get trampled on to achieve a certain end.

The fact of the matter is that most government ideas are the worst solutions because they are based on political ideology, cronyism and kickbacks rather than logical problem solving.

Now that I have made my positions nice and sparkling clear, let me make something else nice and sparkling clear: If you ever publicly comment, state or otherwise imply that I support racism, discrimination or segregation again, there's gonna be trouble.

I don't deserve that kind of talk and I'm sure as hell not gonna take it.

Since I place a high value on our friendship, this is my final explanation and post on this subject. I'm shutting the fuck up.

As far as friendship, I see all people as multi faceted. And unlike the common theory of many today that respect must earned, I live by the principle that my respect is already there and can only be unearned. And if I see (my opinion) one facet is dull, I focus on the facets that are still bright. I always try took for the best in all people and ignore any dull facet. If I loose respect for someone in one facet I would never throw away the gem... I have been called a fascist a dozen times and have had other insults hurled at me in this thread and I feel no anger toward anyone.

EDIT: The above statement includes both you and Joe. I have a great respect for each of you and find you to be good friends and good people. If you don't respect me because of my firm belief in civil rights (and the fact that it opposes your view of liberty), I am disappointed, but I won't change my opinions.

Let me make this perfectly clear so you understand my point.

As far as the statement I made that pissed you off I'm sorry I left out the word "enable".

Libertarianism is for enabling the owner of any business that is open to the general public to implement race discrimination . That is a fact. No matter how much you call me a fascist it doesn't change said fact ! You feel the owner's rights trumps the civil rights act. I never said any of you were racist. I believe you are not racist. But YOUR version of Liberty can essentially destroy someone else's Liberty. And that's wrong.

How you can call ME a fascist I don't know ? Hitler Facism for instance believed in one superior race. and would never have been for the equal rights act.

My entire point is to point out how absurd Libertarianism is.

[Banned]

Bill, your definition of liberty is that anyone can go wherever they want to on private property. We think that the owner of private property has the right to say who can or cannot go on his or her property.

You always think the governmental solution, now matter how oppressive of personal, private rights is always the answer. We strongly disagree. An approach of forcing governmental oppression over personal freedoms happens to be fascist. Think the Jews agreed with the governmental oppression of the Nazis in the 1930's and 40's?

Government is not always right. Governmental solutions do not always work.

You say you are for whatever is best for all. You have yet to answer who decided what is best for all.

I believe oppression of the majority for the privilege of a few is tyranny.

You love to associate libertarianism with racism in this thread.

What if I said that your liberalism enables modern day slavery. The welfare system (not just welfare, but food stamps, WIC, Section 8 housing...the whole government handout operation) keeps many blacks in government slavery, especially in the inner cities. 70% of black children never have a father in the house. 25% of them will end up in jail by age 25. They are not living the American dream are they?

That whole mess started with LBJ using government to fight The War on Poverty. The Great Society. The modern day government slave is given just enough by the nanny state to get by. And liberal democrat politicians make sure they keep getting their gummint cheese as long as they keep voting 90% democrat election after election.

I think what liberal democrats have done, using governmental solutions, have destroyed the basic family structure in the black community. Destroyed quite thoroughly, and in a short time, about 2 generations.

For votes.

That is a much worse evil than racism.

[Banned]

Wow, what a henfight.

My question(s) is(are): What exactly do you hope to accomplish by arguing on the internet like this? Do think you're going to change someone's mind? Maybe get the last word?

Maybe a grassroots movement will spring from the Rockpage Forum because of this pecking and forever change the nation and our world.

Get over it, ladies!

What a wonderful music topic we are exploring here.


P.S. I've only read a handfull of your whining and I will read no more on this thread.

We enjoy the freedom to post on Rockpage. You can enjoy the freedom of not reading these postings. Isn't freedom great?

[songsmith]

Johnny, Your posts give me a head ache.

Thinking does that, if you're not used to it.

[songsmith]

I honestly can't believe that in 2011 I have to argue for keeping race based segregation and race based discrimination out of places open to the general public.

I'm blown away...Sad commentary for Rockpage ? I don't know ?

Do the majority of you really want to go back to the 1960s ?

Yes. They do. They've been programmed by their handlers to wish for a "better time" that never existed. Go back to when a black man knew better than to walk into a white man's shop. Go back to teenage girls aborting their pregnancies with a coathanger. Go back to FBI dossiers on anyone who spoke against conservative despots. Go back to McCarthyism and blacklisting. Go back to child malnutrition and illiteracy and high infant mortality rates and crime. We need another George Wallace, don't we, Joe? Freedom heritage founding fathers!

[songsmith]

You can include the time you have spent tuning the Indian doctors' pianos.

Nice ad hominem. You've launched a few at me & the music I make, too. Is tuning pianos for a living a lesser station in life than your own? I need to understand this.
PS-- I typed this slowly, so you could read it easier.

[Banned]

Was there an extra dose of smarmy in your wheaties today?

[songsmith]

All that it comes down to is that you two support race segregation and race discrimination in the name of Liberty and you're not racists.

I don't know if I should laugh at you or cry for the minorities...

You guys are sad...

Typical neoprog putting words in people's mouth.

Neither of us support race segregation or discrimination.

Unless it's on your property: "I don't care if its open to the greys from Alpha Centauri, nobody and I mean NOBODY has an absolute right to work on or enter private property." You do not have the "right" to discriminate based on color or sex. They passed a law in '64, to give those who ain't got, a little more. While nobody has an ABSOLUTE right, race does not qualify as a legitimate reason to chuck someone off your property, and you'll be sued, and you'll lose, as you should. If a person of a different race does something illegal or disruptive, that would be cause. No matter how much you want to, you cannot toss someone for the crime of being black. It's been challenged, too. Deemed Constitutional by the Supreme Court and/or sent back to the states' appellate courts, when appropriate, as in voter rights.

Joe said: " You want the state to crush private property rights because some people commit the thought crime of racism.
That is very scary. We should all be afraid of a totalitarian state crushing our rights."

What you're saying here seems to be that property rights trump civil rights. In fact, I don't really even think "seems to be" is accurate. You really do think your right to keep certain races out of your shop is more important than their right to move about the country and function freely in a legal way. So, YOUR liberty is above that of a black man. What's the word for that?... One of you American Patriots, help me out here... what's that word for when one race enjoys a higher social standing than another? I don't want to confuse anyone with big words or complex thought, but what's that called?

[songsmith]

Was there an extra dose of smarmy in your wheaties today?

Smarmy means melodramatically flattering. Like when Rush goes on and on about Ann Coulter, despite hating her guts in real life.

I think you mean "snarky." Snide, cutting, ascerbic.

Was there an extra dose of piss in your Cheerios? Because I just pissed in 'em.

[Banned]

I stated I discriminate only against liberals. Liberals are not welcome on my property. I truly want to oppress liberals out of existence.

If smarmy pricks like you were all gone, the world would be a much better place.

[Banned]

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/smarmy

Smarmy, condescending prick is exactly right.

Please, please try to come on over and piss anywhere on my property. You will certainly take notice of the way I exercise my property rights.

[songsmith]

If smarmy pricks like you were all gone, the world would be a much better place.

Snarky. Snarky pricks.

[Banned]

From Merriam Webster:

"Definition of SMARMY
1
: revealing or marked by a smug, ingratiating, or false earnestness <a tone of smarmy self-satisfaction — New Yorker>
2
: of low sleazy taste or quality <smarmy eroticism>
— smarm·i·ly adverb
— smarm·i·ness noun
See smarmy defined for English-language learners »
Examples of SMARMY

Yes, he's a smarmy know-it-all with the personality of a hall monitor, the kind of guy everyone hides from at a Christmas party. —Bill Simmons, ESPN, 2 Aug. 2004"


You are wrong again, I think this definition is exactly what I was going for. Smug, ingratiating, false earnestness, low sleazy taste.....yes that is what I meant.

So when smarmy, condescending, lying, government welfare bums like are gone, the world will be a much better place.

[songsmith]

Sorry dude. I forgot that Libertarians make all the definitions. The other 97% of us are unqualified. Hey, I was just going to make a sandwich. Is that okay? Does it affect your right to reign over me? I'm sooooo sorry I doubted that Libertarian authority you carry.

[songsmith]

Oh, and it's nice to see you figured out how to get to websites that don't have the word "heritage" in the URL. By the way, I'm coming to your property, and I'm bringing a black man. Are you going to shoot us, lynch us, or spray us with a firehose?

[Banned]

Sorry dude. I forgot that Libertarians make all the definitions. The other 97% of us are unqualified. Hey, I was just going to make a sandwich. Is that okay? Does it affect your right to reign over me? I'm sooooo sorry I doubted that Libertarian authority you carry.

Now there is something more like an ad hominem attack. I used the Merriam Webster definition. You make up some preposterous actions that libertarians supposedly do to you. Did libertarians put out a paper or statement that they will make all the definitions?? I used a dictionary to post a definition, and you say only libertarians make definitions. Are you on some strong drugs now? Has logic and reality totally left your universe?

[Banned]

Oh, and it's nice to see you figured out how to get to websites that don't have the word "heritage" in the URL. By the way, I'm coming to your property, and I'm bringing a black man. Are you going to shoot us, lynch us, or spray us with a firehose?

What website are you referring to Mr. Smarm?

The black man is extraneous, just bring your runty self to find out.

[Larry]

Since I live in the south near Durham, NC, where the African American population is nearly equal to the white population, I could run into town and ask a few of the folks what they think about a property owners rights and the Civil Rights Act for y'all. Should I only ask the ones with jobs though since the other ones don't count?

Here's some reading in the mean time: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964

Durham has some pretty solid history with this act, so I might get some valuable input.