THE POLITICAL ARENA!!! Political Gladiators Inside!!

[Hawk]

Frank has proven beyond a reasonable doubt that the right wing propaganda works. He no longer has the ability to decipher truth and facts. And what's worse, he's proud of it.

Be Afraid America.

Wow, I am impressed Bill. I bow to you. Hail Bill, Hail Bill !

You get the MVP award for the Liberal Playbook. Well deserved, I salute you and give you the Golf Clap ..

Given that Frank has failed in every part of this discussion:

He made up a lie.
He claimed Obama wants to cut military spending when in fact the opposite is true, he wants an increase.
He claimed Obama wants to cut military pay raises when in fact the opposite is true, the budget proposes increases.
When Frank can't comprehend that if Bush cut taxes and did not cut spending in an equal amount that the deficit would increase.

Frank will receive the right wing propaganda movement award. Otherwise known as the right wing bowel movement award.

Frank. Why are the facts considered a liberal playbook method ?

[Hawk]

You said that you weren't going to vote because the congressional ruling made it imposible for your candidate to be elected or something like that./quote]

God please wake up !

The Supreme court ruled, not congress ?

If you don't know this, well, you are uneducated (kind way of saying stupid).

I know what it means you schmuck .. Good play by the book there. Bravo ..

I found the post and you said that you quit watching news shows and such because of it. I don't believe that though ..

Just because you lie doesn't mean I do.

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[Hawk]

You asked a question on the pay freeze the exist, there is none. I never said there was, I said there will be. You were trying to trap me, I didn't fall for it and now you think I can't comprehend. Good one ..

This is a quote from you Frank:
"I know a lot of people in the military who aren't getting their annual raise because of the cuts ! "

This is the statement I ask you to back up or admit it is a lie. If there were no freezes, then there must have been raises.

Please explain...

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[Hawk]

That bowel movement remark made me laugh

The fact that you post something you claim to be a fact isn't a playbook method. It is what you say in the process of it. Like when you call me stupid, retarded, try discredit what I put, call in others to help and attack my character; they are liberal playbook methods. And, the more you do it the more I will mention it. Trying to discredit a source is o.k as long as you do it with a civil approach and not the typical liberal thinking they know everything approach. If you know what I mean.

Now, I know these will be hard for you to do. But dang gummit, I know I you can do it there Bill. I like you and have faith in you my friend. ..

I gave you facts from reliable sources. The fact that you have no ability to comprehend the facts does make you stupid. It's not name calling nor an attack on your character. Perhaps you can tell me what a person is, who can only parrot rhetoric when faced with the truth ?

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[Hawk]

Again. The recomandation by the commission has nothing to do with any proposal. The fact is, the proposal is for increases. So if pay freezes are not even on the table, how can they ever be acted upon ?

Quit spinning.

[Hawk]

That bowel movement remark made me laugh

The fact that you post something you claim to be a fact isn't a playbook method. It is what you say in the process of it. Like when you call me stupid, retarded, try discredit what I put, call in others to help and attack my character; they are liberal playbook methods. And, the more you do it the more I will mention it. Trying to discredit a source is o.k as long as you do it with a civil approach and not the typical liberal thinking they know everything approach. If you know what I mean.

Now, I know these will be hard for you to do. But dang gummit, I know I you can do it there Bill. I like you and have faith in you my friend. ..

I gave you facts from reliable sources. The fact that you have no ability to comprehend the facts does make you stupid. It's not name calling nor an attack on your character. Perhaps you can tell me what a person is, who can only parrot rhetoric when faced with the truth ?

You did again. that didn't last long

I made a statement. You spewed rhetoric.

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[Hawk]

Enough said:

He claimed Obama wants to cut military spending when in fact the opposite is true, he wants an increase.
He claimed Obama wants to cut military pay raises when in fact the opposite is true, the budget proposes increases.
When Frank can't comprehend that if Bush cut taxes and did not cut spending in an equal amount that the deficit would increase.

[Hawk]

Again. The recomandation by the commission has nothing to do with any proposal. The fact is, the proposal is for increases. So if pay freezes are not even on the table, how can they ever be acted upon ?

Quit spinning.

Like I said: if it isn't implemented, I will admit I was wrong. But if it is implemented, you have to admit that you were wrong.

Alright. If you can't comprehend that the freeze is not even being proposed, I will wait to point out that you're wrong until after the increase goes into effect. If that's what makes you happy.

And I'm sorry. but if you can't comprehend that the freeze is not on the table - it's only a suggestion from a commission that has been rejected - what should I call you ? What is the word for "one who cannot comprehend " that is political correct ?

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[Hawk]

Right here:


Military Basic Pay Charts
On November 10, 2010, President Obama's bipartisan commission on reducing the national debt recommended, amount other things, a freeze of non-combat military pay and bonuses for three years at 2011 levels - the raise amount for 2011 has yet to be determined, but a number of congressmen have gone on record to say that the budget deficit will not be fixed on the backs of our service members when there are so many other places to cut. We'll see.

On September 14, 2010, the Senate Defense Appropriations Subcommittee approved $680.9 billion in a defense spending bill that only allowed for a 1.4% pay raise for fiscal year 2011. It is not a surprise the senate maintains the President's initial proposal because previously, Senator Webb (D-VA), made his opinion known that the raise for 2011 should remain at President Obama's proposal of 1.4%, and that any additional compensation for service members should come via special pays and, if needed, more recruiting incentives. Members of the House remain committed to the 1.9%, House Armed Services Committee Chairman Ike Skelton (D-MO) stated on June 8th that he was "interested in what the Senate has in store."


This is the source:
http://www.navycs.com/2011-military-pay-chart.html

If you notice, it was a bipartisan commission. If you notice, Obama is recommending a pay increase and is NOT proposing what the bipartisan commission recommended.

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[Hawk]

Frank, This is what Obama proposed. He has not UNproposed it.
On February 1, 2010, President Obama, in his defense budget proposal for 2011, recommends an increase of 1.4% for military base pay.

This is what the Senate did in September:
On September 14, 2010, the Senate Defense Appropriations Subcommittee approved $680.9 billion in a defense spending bill that only allowed for a 1.4% pay raise for fiscal year 2011

No one has payed any attention to the commission's recommendation. Nor has anyone ever proposed the recomendation. In other words, it's REJECTED...

[Hawk]

Another note: a 1.9% increase in your pay is a joke. I don't even consider that an increase.

That % of a pay raise is only a part of their entitlements. If I remember, you like to add those things together. Education, health care etc..

And if you do some research, you will find that it is the democrats who have increased money for veterens as well.

I'm not saying 1.4% or 1.9% is enough, but they know what the pay is when they take the job. At least that's the Limbaugh rhetoric when it comes to school teachers.

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[PStl]

good, let's move on!

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[Hawk]

good, let's move on!

I will on November 6th 2012.

So far you were wrong about everything you stated. Pay cuts (Note that NO ONE has proposed a pay cut - a recommendation is not a proposal), military spending proposal cuts. People you know who "aren't getting raises". Tax cuts vs. the deficit. And yet you will vote for the people who make this crap up and fooled you. And you're smart ?

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[PStl]

I know this is old, but it is an interesting look at the Federal Budget.

http://www.deathandtaxesposter.com/

use your mouse scroll to zoom in

[lonewolf]

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/World-sto ... 3.html?x=0

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... profits+up

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-11-2 ... cmpid=yhoo

http://www.bea.gov/newsreleases/nationa ... elease.htm

http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2010/11/ ... -estimate/


Shades of Y2K, anyone? Well, at least the Y2K scare led to a glut of portable generators, and brought the price way down for us camping enthusiasts. Maybe the current flirtation with "Armageddon" will be the one that helps folks take a more even keel, and not fall for every fear-tactic their media sells them (at a huge profit). --->JMS

Did you check what your 1st link changed to right after you posted it?

"Asian markets mixed as Europe debt worries linger"

The day to day gyrations of the stock market don't tell you much...unless there is a recurring theme...like today:

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Stocks-dr ... 4.html?x=0

Of course, the stock market is pricing things that will happen in 6 months...not what happened yesterday. I don't expect to hear much about a US crisis until at least June, when the fed runs out of the $600 billion it printed to monetize the debt.

Yes, you will see all sorts of PR about how the economy is "growing". Sure it is...at an historically low rate for an economy that already retracted significantly during the recession. Historically, the worse the recession, the higher the growth rate during the ensuing growth period. We aren't seeing anything like that.

As for "corporate profits are up". Yes, they are always up coming out of a recession as they lay off workers en masse to cut costs and increase productivity to compensate. With near-record layoffs, you should expect near-record profits. Its a major theme of the economic cycle; however, major gains will be short lived as corporations approach their production limits. At that point, unemployment is supposed to start dropping significantly.

We shall see.