New Palin garbage to think and laugh about

[bassist_25]

What a difference from 9 years ago. Here is a clip from John Stewart's show, where he and Bill Maher say they are for McCain, even over Al Gore or Bill Bradley, the Democrats running then.

http://blog.indecision2008.com/2008/09/ ... /#comments

Yeah, McCain use to actually be a free-thinker and was probably the best viable candidate for getting this country back to the center. Since this campaign has started, he's aligned himself with the Bushie regime and all of the neo-con influence in Washington. I still think that he's reluctantly following the current party line to play to the reactionary extreme base, which doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me from a strategic standpoint - even conservatives in this country are screaming "We've just had eight years of bullshit. We don't want any more!" I know that if McCain were still following his platform from before the last election, I'd vote for him without a second thought. However, I think McCain suffers from the same problem that Jimmy Carter did: He's just not a good "politician." That's kind of a breath of fresh air on one hand; on the other hand, it really sucks when someone's trying to be a good "politician" and failing miserably at it, just like McCain currently is doing. I think the world is going to be a better place for everyone once Karl Rove retires.

[bfoust]

I really hope the Republican party gets rid of Palin.
It's such a huge stain on the campaign every time she opens her mouth. Just sew her mouth shut and show her off, that's all you need to do.

[Merge]

I know Dan Quail, and she's no Dan Quail !

"I knew Jack Kennedy, you're no Jack Kennedy." (paraphrased)
Man, that's still the biggest political diss in American history. You can't plan for stuff like that. Bentsen sealed his place in history with those words, it was like he clicked out a switchblade and drove it deep. Quayle had often been ridiculed as shallow and dim, and that barb pretty much ended his career.
That moment was voted one of the top moments in televised history, right up there with the second plane hitting the Towers, and the Challenger disaster. Loved it, it was the cattiest moment ever. The only career-ender that comes close was Howard Dean's squealing, "Yeaaaaahhhhh!!" You could see in his eyes, he knew the next day's soundbites were going to be him.------->JMS

I actually saw Howard Dean deny that incident. He said he was "misquoted" and that "it didn't happen".

[bassist_25]

I know Dan Quail, and she's no Dan Quail !

"I knew Jack Kennedy, you're no Jack Kennedy." (paraphrased)
Man, that's still the biggest political diss in American history. You can't plan for stuff like that. Bentsen sealed his place in history with those words, it was like he clicked out a switchblade and drove it deep. Quayle had often been ridiculed as shallow and dim, and that barb pretty much ended his career.
That moment was voted one of the top moments in televised history, right up there with the second plane hitting the Towers, and the Challenger disaster. Loved it, it was the cattiest moment ever. The only career-ender that comes close was Howard Dean's squealing, "Yeaaaaahhhhh!!" You could see in his eyes, he knew the next day's soundbites were going to be him.------->JMS

I actually saw Howard Dean deny that incident. He said he was "misquoted" and that "it didn't happen".

Classic.

[YankeeRose]

What a difference from 9 years ago. Here is a clip from John Stewart's show, where he and Bill Maher say they are for McCain, even over Al Gore or Bill Bradley, the Democrats running then.

If only McCain had not changed for the worse. Unlike Paul, I do not for one minute believe he is a bad politician, for he has been in office going on THIRTY years. It seems more likely to me he was/is willing to do anything to finally be elected President. I cannot wait to see if the Voting machine results for this election agree with the exit polls. (They are not only done for Presidential elections. )

[songsmith]

If McCain does get elected (and really, it's still wide open, despite current polls having Obama up by 9), I hope he again turns his back on the GOP elite. I'm trusting that he's toeing the line to get that RNC campaign cash, and hopefully, he'll come back to his senses and be a "maverick" again. Palin appears to toe the line from birth.
Speaking of the Jessica Simpson of politics, she's not doing herself any favors in her CBS News interviews. Katie Couric is being as pissy and bitchy as ever, something I'd capitalize on if I were Palin, but holy cow, she's bad in those interviews. She shows on a daily basis her lack of knowledge on anything other than her personal politics. When asked what Supreme Court desicion other than Roe v. Wade she disagreed with, she couldn't think of any other cases (uh, she didn't know any other cases, period). When pressed again, she started a 30-second sentence of... nothing. When she first started talking to reporters a week ago, I noticed a lot of filler in her answers, phrases like, "... well, living here in the great state of Alaska...", spoken fairly slowly, and timed to help find a train of thought. The new one is, "... if I am fortunate enough to have the American people elect me as vice-president..." That's about 4 seconds, not very long, to be sure, but it equates to about half an evening-news soundbite.
I, along with a large chunk of America, am looking forward to tonight's veep debate. Will it show America how astute Palin is, or will it drain the gas out of her ATV? She really has to throw down tonight, all Biden has to do is show up. He can do that debate crap in his sleep, how many elections has he weathered? Still, it's his to lose. He could flub on a grand scale like Gore, or open himself up to a mega-burn, like Quayle. I think this debate is even more important than any of the prez debates, because people are voting for Palin, not necessarily McCain, so what she does tonight will make history.
Tomorrow will be a big news day.------>JMS

[PanzerFaust]

I know Dan Quail, and she's no Dan Quail !

"I knew Jack Kennedy, you're no Jack Kennedy." (paraphrased)

I knew Ron Nearhoof and he's no Jack A'meoff .... now there's a political diss....

Sorry Turnbull... Still love ya....

[Merge]

I agree that Palin has said some less than intelligent things, but if she were Obama's running mate she'd get a pass from the press for every one of them. Instead of being called "stupid" they say she "made an honest mistake".

[JakeWilliams]

I agree that Palin has said some less than intelligent things, but if she were Obama's running mate she'd get a pass from the press for every one of them. Instead of being called "stupid" they say she "made an honest mistake".

I'm not sure how you can make an assumption like this. The press would not give her a free pass no matter who she was running with, because it's not it their best interest. The press sells headlines - end of story...and the potential VP saying some really stupid things will sell headlines.

To further my point:

When Obama was tied to Rev. Wright, did he get a free pass? No, they tried to crucify him. He came out bruised, but OK...

Being on the Obama ticket wouldn't have helped... The only thing that would help Palin from getting bad press is for her to stop saying really stupid shit.

[Merge]

It's an easy assumption to make when Joe Biden thought FDR was President in 1929, and told a guy (Chuck Graham) to stand up when the guy is in a wheelchair. The press didn't rip him apart for any of that.

I bet the liberal press won't be reporting on this:

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.h ... A960948260

[JakeWilliams]

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Joe Biden isn't catching headlines because he is not worthy of the attention. He's boring...which I think is a big reason why he was chosen - to keep the focus on Barrack.

But if elected, Palin will be the VP with a very old man in office...hence the saying, "one heartbeat away from the presidency"...

It's possible people are being hard on her because there's a very real chance she could be promoted to President in the next 4 years...and I don't think anyone wants that...even the republicans.

[JakeWilliams]

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.h ... A960948260

It's not worth reporting. I'm not even sure what it's supposed to be pointing out. Are they saying he's racist? His running mate is black???

There's a lot of laws on the books that are stupid (and not enforced because of it). Hell, it's still illegal to have sex in any position other than Missionary in PA... There's millions of "laws" that are unenforceable because they're so lame and out of date...

http://www.eldar.org/~ben/funny/html/180.html

The reason they're still on the books is because they are unenforceable - and it would take effort and $$$ to get them removed.

I can only assume this is why they were still on Biden's deed. Is there more to this story that I'm missing?

[Merge]

We agree on something, lol. Biden really isn't worth the attention. I just think that it's only fair for the press to focus on both candidates.

[JakeWilliams]

We agree on something, lol. Biden really isn't worth the attention. I just think that it's only fair for the press to focus on both candidates.

Ah, but that's the genius of Barrack Obama. He chose a running mate who has the ability to stay out of focus...

And Barrack knows if he keeps the focus on his message of change, he has a very good chance at winning in November.

[songsmith]

I bet the liberal press won't be reporting on this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYlyb1Bx ... re=related

------->JMS

[lonewolf]

I bet the liberal press won't be reporting on this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYlyb1Bx ... re=related

------->JMS

Wow. Talk about propaganda. I haven't seen this much unsubstantiated bullshit spewed forth by anyone on either side of center in awhile.

Maybe they were just trying to illustrate their position by example?

[Roar chick]

So I watched the youtube about the media. My take on is this, I have noticed that different outlets, or stations, or newspapers, or whatever seem to be on one side of the isle or the other. I have noticed that they will air more people from side speaking than the other, or cut off someone when they are making a point.

I have noticed that in Blair County the news stations and papers lean more toward the right. If you look at the voting record for our area as a whole we vote more right. The majority of the people living and working in the area want that kind of reporting. I think they are just trying to appeal to the bigger demographic.

I think the same can probably be true on a wider scope. I’m talking about national publications. They may just be trying to appeal to the most people they can.

[songsmith]

Yeah, it's nice to hear more than one side.
I'd like to see Noam Chomsky in a debate with Spinnity. Chomsky famously debated Wm. F. Buckley in '69 on the Vietnam War, and completely ate his lunch. The best Buckley, arguably the sharpest Neocon mind at the time, could do was to thereaten to punch Chomsky "in the goddamn mouth." And Buckley was an intellectual! Hannity would NEVER EVER enter an actual debate, an intellectual would eat his guts on a hotdog bun. He's more about beating his opponent over the head with repetitive talking points, and interrupting any answer that doesn't help his cause. That'd get you thrown out of a real debate.
Incidentally, after last night's veep debate, the best thing anyone had to say about World's Greatest Mom was, "Hey, she didn't eff-up! Woo-Hoo!" She did, however throw in a couple of non-sequiturs, choosing not to answer the questions, and instead moving to subjects she could remember her script for. Loved the shout-out to the grade schoolers... very cute. Biden cleaned her clock on the Iraq issue, though... how could he not? There aren't any right answers for the wrong war. Biden seemed pretty comfortable, like I predicted, while Palin seemed transparent... she'd have a homespun, easygoing rhythm to her words when she was unscripted, but when she went to her script, she'd cock her head 15 degrees to the right, like they do on South Park, and eyes glazing, start a monotone rapid-fire rhythm, like a kid delivering lines at a Christmas pageant. Fun-neee! I can't wait for SNL this week.
I kept waiting for her to trip on her bloomers, like the rest of America, and she didn't, so I'm guessing the Neo-talkers are calling it as a knockout for Palin... I'm going to ease back on listening to them until post-election... I already know who I'm voting for this time, and they just keep beating the same drum anyway. I might listen if we get the October Suprise some Neo's have promised. Spinnity says he knows something, but he may be bluffing, or overselling, like usual.
I'm glad you watched the whole video, lonewolf. I clicked on a Youtube link you posted for a non-political topic, and there was a Wm. F. Buckley link from there, and another, and another... maybe it was kismet that a conservative led me to the Buckley/Chomsky debate. It's a good half-hour long, total, but worth it. Chomsky makes the case against the Vietnam War, and we all know how history washed out a good 6 years later. In fact, you could remove the word "Vietnam," and replace it with "Iraq," and it'd be a great current-events debate.------->JMS

[Banned]

I bet the liberal press won't be reporting on this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYlyb1Bx ... re=related

------->JMS

So because 3 Flaming Liberals say there is no media bias towards liberalism, you believe it??? Songsmith, I expected better.


Face the truth.............................


Liberal: CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC, NPR, MSNBC

NeoConish: Fox News Netwark, Fox Radio, Conservative Radio (Rush, Hannity, Beck, Savage)

[lonewolf]

I'm glad you watched the whole video, lonewolf. ------->JMS

Yes, but I don't read whole posts that require scrolling.

[YankeeRose]

Is there more to this (story) that I'm missing?

This is exactly what I was thinking as I was reading the replies. If you do not have to bust your ass working, DO have a great, RELAXING weekend!



Tood, who the heck is Turnbull? Sounds akin to Sitting Bull, a Native American moniker.

[songsmith]

So because 3 Flaming Liberals say there is no media bias towards liberalism, you believe it??? Songsmith, I expected better.


Face the truth.............................

Well, then the reciprocal must be true as well, according to that line of thought. Because Rush and Spinnity say there's a media bias, you believe it? Then you support The Fairness Doctrine? I do. I'm willing to listen to the con side (I do all the time), if I can hear BOTH sides. How about you, are you willing to listen to the lib side? Part of the Neoconservative platform is that they don't have to listen to liberals because liberals are always wrong. Your average Dittohead feels they already know everything they need to know, hell, Rush tells them that flat-out. So, as for bias, you as a conservative are willing to let the conservative media AND the liberal media be responsible enough to show both sides? Good for you, Joe. You must be mellowing, my friend.
Plus, you have an unrelated PM. ---->JMS

[Banned]

The Liberal media is right about what they say about the Neo conservatives.

The neocon media is right about what they say about liberals.

The problem is that neither can see the faults with their own side's shortcomings.

We have a fairly balanced set up as it stands right now. The liberal mainstream media is countered by the conservative media. The liberal media is mostly TV, like CNN, NBC, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, and the big print media like the New York Times, Washing Post, Time, Newsweek and L.A. Times. The conservative media is mostly Fox News and Radio. This setup just about balances itself out.

The unequal factor in the equation is that the liberal media like to claim they are objective, which they are clearly not. At least most of the radio stars like Rush, Beck and Hannity do profess their bias openly.

To be in favor of a government run Fairness Doctrine just invites more bigger government control of our TV and radio, and there goes freedoms and liberty, comrade.

Edit: BTW, isn't it interesting how both sides of the media did their utmost to ignore Ron Paul libertarian message?

[songsmith]

Yeah, I have to agree, except that conservatism has a lot of internet presence (Drudge, Heritage.org,etc.), and quite a number of print outlets, though really only the con establishment reads that stuff. (WSJ, National Review, etc.) That makes my point, though, that yes, there are lots of liberal outlets, but calling neocon outlets "Fair and Balanced" and insinuating that the liberal outlets have more power or time onscreen is completely untrue. The only true liberal media outlets I know are MSNBC and CNN, and I'm talking about the ones who get into the same screaming matches as Fox News and Neo radio. NPR is way liberal, but there's no constant sack-biting the other side. You wouldn't get hung-up on for having a conservative viewpoint.
On a related note, though I quit listening to talk-radio this week, up until that point, I noticed NONE of the daytime talkers are even taking calls from opposing viewpoints now. Not a single lib caller on Rush, Hannity, or even Bill-O, that I heard. I understand why Spinnity does it (he can't afford to get his lunch stolen when his team's down by a few points), but damn, Rush can deal with ANY caller, why isn't he allowing someone to "show America how right he is?" He's boooorrrriiinnnggg. They should have the courage of their convictions, and take EVERY caller.--->JMS

[Hawk]

According to an independent University study (sorry, I don't remember who) McCain got more favorable press on CBS NBC and ABC than Obama did. They simply kept a count of positive and negative press coverage.

I'll try to find out where that came from.