I think Ron's political mistake, and I've mentioned this before, was to ally himself with the Republican Party. I can see why he did it, that's where the huge money is for a campaign, but the Bushpilots basically kept him on the lower tier of primary candidates to keep his followers from jumping ship. Sort of a Ralph Nader deal. I think his platform of change is what many Americans want, but neither party could bear the changes he hoped to inspire. Business as usual.
I agree, we should let the people who took bad loans go belly-up, let the banks who gave them go belly-up, and let the bankers who authorized or allowed them to GO TO JAIL. (Before you get all bent out of shape, I'm talking ALL of them, lib or con.) Paulsen and the rest of the Bush cabinet should be cited for collusion and conspiracy to commit a trillion-dollor heist to benefit the banking industry (sort of like what they did for Big Oil). On the other hand, if a deal goes through to use my tax funds to bail out Big Business (again!), maybe folks would look at their Congressman a little closer, at the anal-rapist they elected President and his boys, and at the executives who got paid tens of millions each for stealing a trillion. That'll never happen. Big Business as usual.------->JMS
These Federal Bailouts just piss me off !
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it's a shame that ron paul never really got a chance to get onto the ballot. i liked his veiws. practically all of them. he is rather smart, but as it's been said, the government will never allow the kind of changes he wanted to happen. our fore fathers saw all of this coming. that's why the second amendment is worded as it is. the government can't touch our guns, because we may need to protect ourselves from it. with the advent of the patriot act, and with all the little liberals running around saying "let's ditch the guns, because like the drug war, if it's illegal, you can't get it 
" that second amendment and the means for us to revolt against the government (the exact same thing the states were founded from) it is looking less likely that anything will change. i agree with the title of this thread being "these corporate bailouts piss me off" because they do! i'm not quite sure, but every person i know is angered by this. the people we elected to represent us to the government are not representing us. write your congressman. tell him how you feel about your money paying for the mistakes of the banking and loan industry. be specific, and don't use coarse language. tell them that if this bailout is allowed to happen, you will vote for someone that won't let anything similar to this happen again.
or you could sit back and watch us hit a recession like earnhardt hitting a wall at daytona. either way. it's up to all of us.
" that second amendment and the means for us to revolt against the government (the exact same thing the states were founded from) it is looking less likely that anything will change. i agree with the title of this thread being "these corporate bailouts piss me off" because they do! i'm not quite sure, but every person i know is angered by this. the people we elected to represent us to the government are not representing us. write your congressman. tell him how you feel about your money paying for the mistakes of the banking and loan industry. be specific, and don't use coarse language. tell them that if this bailout is allowed to happen, you will vote for someone that won't let anything similar to this happen again. or you could sit back and watch us hit a recession like earnhardt hitting a wall at daytona. either way. it's up to all of us.
I hope you don't equate all Democrats with liberals. There are many gun carrying Dems. And many more who are against gun control.slackin@dabass wrote:it's a shame that ron paul never really got a chance to get onto the ballot. i liked his veiws. practically all of them. he is rather smart, but as it's been said, the government will never allow the kind of changes he wanted to happen. our fore fathers saw all of this coming. that's why the second amendment is worded as it is. the government can't touch our guns, because we may need to protect ourselves from it. with the advent of the patriot act, and with all the little liberals running around saying "let's ditch the guns, because like the drug war, if it's illegal, you can't get it
or you could sit back and watch us hit a recession like earnhardt hitting a wall at daytona. either way. it's up to all of us.
This issue comes up every election. "Carter will take your guns." "Clinton will take your guns." Yet it never happens.
Arnold Schwarzenegger and Rudy Giuliani ARE FOR gun control. Hmmm
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Hawk wrote:I hope you don't equate all Democrats with liberals. There are many gun carrying Dems. And many more who are against gun control.slackin@dabass wrote:it's a shame that ron paul never really got a chance to get onto the ballot. i liked his veiws. practically all of them. he is rather smart, but as it's been said, the government will never allow the kind of changes he wanted to happen. our fore fathers saw all of this coming. that's why the second amendment is worded as it is. the government can't touch our guns, because we may need to protect ourselves from it. with the advent of the patriot act, and with all the little liberals running around saying "let's ditch the guns, because like the drug war, if it's illegal, you can't get it
or you could sit back and watch us hit a recession like earnhardt hitting a wall at daytona. either way. it's up to all of us.
This issue comes up every election. "Carter will take your guns." "Clinton will take your guns." Yet it never happens.
Arnold Schwarzenegger and Rudy Giuliani ARE FOR gun control. Hmmm
no no no. i'm sorry, i did say dems and meant libs. my bad. no need to get all defensive.
haha, who on here wouldn't buy new gear? but where would the mill come from? print up more money? yea, solved it in china, eh? that's why the yen is worthless compared to the dollar. would be nice to just get a million dollar prepaid visa card in the mail though, but it would probably all be credited and not actual cash. i hate when people refer to the bible, but i'm going to right now. i know, sue me. dosn't it say in revalations that when everything is bought with credit as one of the signs of the end of the world? i don't believe one word of the bible, but that is an erie coincendence (sp?).Would in not be easier to give every american citizen a million dollars they can pay off there own homes and fix the economy at the same time.I no i would like to by a new amp and guitar with my Million..HaHa Very Happy
all i know is these bailouts are a load of malarky!
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I'm not out to take away anyone's gun, but isn't the "we need guns to defend ourselves from the government" thing a little obselete now? It was one thing when it was musket against musket, but I'm not fooling myself into thinking that my .22 is going to stop an M1A1 tank or take out a low flying F-16.slackin@dabass wrote:it's a shame that ron paul never really got a chance to get onto the ballot. i liked his veiws. practically all of them. he is rather smart, but as it's been said, the government will never allow the kind of changes he wanted to happen. our fore fathers saw all of this coming. that's why the second amendment is worded as it is. the government can't touch our guns, because we may need to protect ourselves from it. with the advent of the patriot act, and with all the little liberals running around saying "let's ditch the guns, because like the drug war, if it's illegal, you can't get it
"He's the electric horseman, you better back off!" - old sKool making a reference to the culturally relevant 1979 film.
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it would be more gurilla style combat if anything. and i don't think it's obsolete.
great, now i'll be a suspected terrorist and shipped off to git-mo.
on a lighter note. i just think that it's kinda funny how McCain is feigning interest in the economy now. and him leaving the campaign trail and asking obama to do the same to try and trick obama into looking like he has no concern for it? simple low down mudslinging. these guys are wankers. Ron Paul. write him in. he's the breath of fresh air this country needs. kinda like luke skywalker. the new hope.
great, now i'll be a suspected terrorist and shipped off to git-mo.
on a lighter note. i just think that it's kinda funny how McCain is feigning interest in the economy now. and him leaving the campaign trail and asking obama to do the same to try and trick obama into looking like he has no concern for it? simple low down mudslinging. these guys are wankers. Ron Paul. write him in. he's the breath of fresh air this country needs. kinda like luke skywalker. the new hope.
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A full-scale invasion on American soil? I think that Patrick Swayze proved that to be an ill-fated plan in Red Dawn. 
Seriously though, I just don't know if I agree. All it takes to lob an ICMB is to punch a few codes and push the buttton. It's really irrelevant if we're sitting around here with deer rifles. Again, I'm really just arguing for the sake of arguing. I'm not out to take anyone's guns from them, but I just think that arming ourselves to overthrow the government* if it gets corrupt is an archiac concept.
(speaking hypothetically for the Patriot Act in case they ship me off to Git-mo too).
Seriously though, I just don't know if I agree. All it takes to lob an ICMB is to punch a few codes and push the buttton. It's really irrelevant if we're sitting around here with deer rifles. Again, I'm really just arguing for the sake of arguing. I'm not out to take anyone's guns from them, but I just think that arming ourselves to overthrow the government* if it gets corrupt is an archiac concept.
(speaking hypothetically for the Patriot Act in case they ship me off to Git-mo too
)."He's the electric horseman, you better back off!" - old sKool making a reference to the culturally relevant 1979 film.
??? Sorry dude, and I am far from being a fear mongerer, but there was this little incident about seven years ago ...metalchurch wrote:Agreed 100% and I think that's the #1 reason we have never been attacked on home soil.AnimalInstinct625 wrote:Our enemy countries would think twice about bringing war to American soil....because the citizens have guns too.
That's why I support gun rights.
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That's what she said.
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icbm? what is this eye see bee em you speak of?
all i'm saying is that it would be possible to take the country back. regardless of what they use. they need to know where they are aiming those things before they just launch one off. small attack forces would be possible. and remember, in the revolutionary war, the british didn't think we would win. but we did. then we instated the bill of rights, and now the government is dropping trou and squirting out a hot steamer all over them
all i'm saying is that it would be possible to take the country back. regardless of what they use. they need to know where they are aiming those things before they just launch one off. small attack forces would be possible. and remember, in the revolutionary war, the british didn't think we would win. but we did. then we instated the bill of rights, and now the government is dropping trou and squirting out a hot steamer all over them
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I know that, but troops were not deployed on our soil, I should have specified what method in my post.BadDazeRob wrote:??? Sorry dude, and I am far from being a fear mongerer, but there was this little incident about seven years ago ...metalchurch wrote:Agreed 100% and I think that's the #1 reason we have never been attacked on home soil.AnimalInstinct625 wrote:Our enemy countries would think twice about bringing war to American soil....because the citizens have guns too.
That's why I support gun rights.
r:>)
We have been attacked by air and by sea that's a fact.
OK, so you're talking about invasion. Gotcha. That hasn't happened since 1812, which, in the grand scheme of things hasn't been that long ago. And you're right, it didn't work out for the invaders then.metalchurch wrote:I know that, but troops were not deployed on our soil, I should have specified what method in my post.BadDazeRob wrote:??? Sorry dude, and I am far from being a fear mongerer, but there was this little incident about seven years ago ...metalchurch wrote: Agreed 100% and I think that's the #1 reason we have never been attacked on home soil.
r:>)
We have been attacked by air and by sea that's a fact.
r:>)
That's what she said.
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Maybe it's from all of the tacos they've been eating since the jobs moved past the border.slackin@dabass wrote: and now the government is dropping trou and squirting out a hot steamer all over them
"He's the electric horseman, you better back off!" - old sKool making a reference to the culturally relevant 1979 film.
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Okay Merge! I read it.
I still think the best thing to do is these companies sink or swim on their own. I think the company should go bankrupt paying off the dept and then continue to pay on it for years. I believe a bail out will speak volumes for the future. Yes they might regulate it but regulations only go so far to help. A bankruptcy would be a warning to every company using these practices now and in the future.
I was very proud of someone close to me the other day when he said “I love guns, I want guns, and gun regulation use to be a factor in how I voted. But now there are bigger problems with this country besides my right own a gun. I will have to vote on more important issues”
I still think the best thing to do is these companies sink or swim on their own. I think the company should go bankrupt paying off the dept and then continue to pay on it for years. I believe a bail out will speak volumes for the future. Yes they might regulate it but regulations only go so far to help. A bankruptcy would be a warning to every company using these practices now and in the future.
I was very proud of someone close to me the other day when he said “I love guns, I want guns, and gun regulation use to be a factor in how I voted. But now there are bigger problems with this country besides my right own a gun. I will have to vote on more important issues”
I'll try to be nicer if you'll try to be smarter!
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