Not useless for musicians part II (spinoff thread)

homerski · Post by **homerski** » Saturday Oct 20, 2007

Here's a absolutely fantastic treatise on "The Seven Modes of Music"

http://www.wisegeek.com/what-are-the-se ... -music.htm

And yes, I am (Musical) Drummer - and graduate of the Armed Forces School of Music, where I learned music theory and fundamentals which included scales, modes, inversions, sight singing and ear training.

The best advice I could give any musician (especially drummers) is to go take piano lessons. You will never regret it.

JH

MeYatch · Post by **MeYatch** » Saturday Oct 20, 2007

homerski wrote:The best advice I could give any musician (especially drummers) is to go take piano lessons. You will never regret it.

I probably should. The piano is such a logical instrument. Pretty much everything you can learn about the piano will apply to other instruments.

whitedevilone · Post by **whitedevilone** » Sunday Oct 21, 2007

You know Jeff Berlin has been quoted as Saying Zappa's solos were mostly jibberish.I saw him at Ford's music back in the day.Cool dude,but Frank's solos jibberish?Never trust a man who doesn't like Frank's solos AND doesn't use a metronome LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I guess bass licking ain't a crime........but it should be!!!!!

Gallowglass · Post by **Gallowglass** » Sunday Oct 21, 2007

undercoverjoe wrote:
J, what song is in 17/8 time? I'm trying to guess, but no luck.

Intro to "The Other Side"

orangekick · Post by **orangekick** » Sunday Oct 21, 2007

I've never used a metronome, but I have extensively jammed with a drum machine for years. I could never get into hearing just a click to jam to.

I find that listening to lots of different music over the years has really helped me identify and create tunes with different time signatures as well as other approaches to playing leads instead of just playing pentatonics.

bassist_25 · Post by **bassist_25** » Sunday Oct 21, 2007

whitedevilone wrote:You know Jeff Berlin has been quoted as Saying Zappa's solos were mostly jibberish.I saw him at Ford's music back in the day.Cool dude,but Frank's solos jibberish?Never trust a man who doesn't like Frank's solos AND doesn't use a metronome LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I guess bass licking ain't a crime........but it should be!!!!!

LOL

Mr. Berlin is an opinionated man. I don't know if I suscribe to his "no metronome" philosophy as hard science. I am an empricist and would love to see an actual study done on it. I know I hate the things. I remember it was hell whenever my piano teacher would turn one on.

Bass licking is one of the most important aspects of the instrument. I always tell young players that before they worry about stuff like scales, timing, clean technique, and transcribing James Jamerson and Stanley Clarke lines, they should spend a good couple of years studying Rudy Sarzo videos and really master the art of bass licking. I've had numerous band leaders explicitly tell me that the reason I was hired for the gig was because of my superior bass licking skills. Hell, the critics all branded Victor Wooten as a "no talent bum" until he started bass licking during Flecktone shows.

songsmith · Post by **songsmith** » Sunday Oct 21, 2007

homerski wrote:The best advice I could give any musician (especially drummers) is to go take piano lessons. You will never regret it.

JH

I work in a music store, with some pretty good guitar teachers, especially for the kiddies. If I had to give you advice on what's a good instrument for a kid to learn first (and I am asked that fairly frequently), I'd say learn either piano or violin. Both are somewhat more intensive in training, but kids are more apt to absorb it all. Both are basically classical instruments, as opposed to guitar & bass, which are folk instruments. Folk instruments are designed to be easier to play (of course, it's as difficult as you want it to be) so people can learn a few chords and play songs quickly. When I taught, it was a very informal affair more designed to get the student up & running easily, so as to avoid frustrations and show them the fun of music in general. Piano's not like that. When was the last time you heard of a piano teacher that taught you a few chords, and off you go? Piano gives you a heavy theory foundation, and works rhythm chops and discipline as well, not to mention being possibly the best exercise in left-right hand coordination available on Earth.
I wish, I wish, I WISH I had taken piano lessons as a young dude.--->JMS

whitedevilone · Post by **whitedevilone** » Sunday Oct 21, 2007

I'm very impressed.How many hours a day do you work on your bass licking techniques Paul?LOL

bassist_25 · Post by **bassist_25** » Sunday Oct 21, 2007

I spend about 2 to 2.5 hours a day working on my bass licking technique. I usually warm up on a little Teen Town and YYZ. Then it's down to some serious woodshedding on the bass licking.

Berkley just got a new associate's degree program for bass licking. I'm thinking about applying.

Gallowglass · Post by **Gallowglass** » Sunday Oct 21, 2007

Another thing I wanted to mention (and I'm sure whitedevilone will agree) is that absolutely one of the best modal primers I have ever seen is Doug Mark's "Metal Method". Definitely worth checking out. I haven't seen any of the newer DVD versions (I'm sure they're good), but the old booklet rocked! Even of you're not a metal player per se, keep in mind the fact that theory is theory, it's in the application that makes the difference.

Baceman Spiff · Post by **Baceman Spiff** » Monday Oct 22, 2007

bassist_25 wrote:I spend about 2 to 2.5 hours a day working on my bass licking technique. I usually warm up on a little Teen Town and YYZ. Then it's down to some serious woodshedding on the bass licking.

Berkley just got a new associate's degree program for bass licking. I'm thinking about applying.

orangekick · Post by **orangekick** » Monday Oct 22, 2007

I have the Guitar Grimoire books and they're pretty cool as well. I've never even attempted to try a video though. Perhaps that might be a good idea.

whitedevilone · Post by **whitedevilone** » Monday Oct 22, 2007

Metal Method KICKS ASS and Doug Marks rocks!!!That theroy lesson is so easy to understand.It made it so easy to sink in for me.Keep in mind that was years ago and i'm sure it's only gotten better.Like my man said even if your not a metal dude and you're having a tough time with this stuff check it out if it ever comes your way.

songsmith · Post by **songsmith** » Tuesday Oct 23, 2007

Alright, Spiff! you managed to get two of my favorite things on one doctored photo. Largemouth bass and oral sex!
Part of being 43 is, the oral sex is still #1 favorite, but fishing keeps getting closer in second place. I'm afraid it'll move into the top position... I mean, I can fish anytime I want but...--------->JMS