youth hunters...

RAM Z · Post by **RAM Z** » Monday Jan 30, 2006

I just saw that Pa may start letting kids younger than 12 hunt with an adult 21 or older. They will be able to harvest game the same as the adults but they have to be within arms reach of the adult and are not allowed to carry thier own firearm in the woods, they can only have it when the reach their hunting location. This could be both good and bad in my opinion.

I was wondering what some opinions are on this if any.

no surrender · Post by **no surrender** » Monday Jan 30, 2006

uhh.. BAD!

more gun control please

People don't kill. GUNS KILL!

YankeeRose · Post by **YankeeRose** » Monday Jan 30, 2006

No, the person who pulls the trigger, stabs with the knife, or strangles with the hands, etc., is what kills.

IMO, it all depends on the age. My son will be 9 this year and I just can't see him hunting anything. Maybe 10? Then again, why are they thinking of changing it?

no surrender · Post by **no surrender** » Monday Jan 30, 2006

YankeeRose wrote: No, the person who pulls the trigger, stabs with the knive, or strangles with the hands, etc., is what kills.

IMO, it all depends on the age. My son will be 9 this year and I just can't see him hunting anything. Maybe 10?

ok, fine, lets make bazzoka legal sound good to you?

why do you think automatic weapons are illeagal?

think girl, think!

ToonaRockGuy · Post by **ToonaRockGuy** » Monday Jan 30, 2006

NS, guns don't kill people. People with guns kill people. Simple fact.

no surrender · Post by **no surrender** » Monday Jan 30, 2006

ToonaRockGuy wrote:NS, guns don't kill people. People with guns kill people. Simple fact.

ok, bazzoksa don't kill either, do they. so, your for bazzokas being legal?

ToonaRockGuy · Post by **ToonaRockGuy** » Monday Jan 30, 2006

I didn't say that. I am a gun owner (I have several), and I do believe in gun control. My guns are for recreation and home protection. I don't think anyone needs an AR-15 for squirrel hunting, or an M-79 Grenade Launcher for deer, but I will defend my constitutional right to own guns to the grave.

Don't think at all that all gun owners are the same. There are radically different views on both sides of gun ownership. Some are peaceniks, some are Ted Nugent worshippers. I'm just a middle-of-the-fence gun owner.

Grammar · Post by **Grammar** » Monday Jan 30, 2006

no surrender wrote: ok, fine, lets make bazzoka legal sound good to you?

why do you think automatic weapons are illeagal?

think girl, think!

Okay, fine, let's make bazookas legal. Does that sound good to you?

Why do you think that automatic weapons are illegal?

Think girl, think!

no surrender wrote:
ok, bazzoksa don't kill either, do they. so, your for bazzokas being legal?

Okay, bazookas don't kill either, do they? So, are you then for bazookas being legal?

You're welcome.

Post by **Jim Price** » Monday Jan 30, 2006

One of the reasons I've never taken up hunting is that I just don't know who else is in the woods with a gun. Most hunters are responsible, but every year you hear about hunters who get shot because some irresponsible idiots didn't make sure of what they were aiming at before pulling the trigger. I was never comfortable with the idea of 12-year-old kids with guns in the woods.

On paper, the new proposal might sound safe, with an adult supervising and the youngster not carrying his own firearm. But you know that at some point, somebody will give their child some slack and not be supervising, and an accident will occur. I think kids should wait until they're older to be able to hunt.

Trucula · Post by **Trucula** » Monday Jan 30, 2006

ToonaRockGuy wrote:NS, guns don't kill people. People with guns kill people. Simple fact.

"Guns don't kill people, husbands that come home early kill people"
.......Larry The Cable Guy....

Banned · Post by **Banned** » Monday Jan 30, 2006

no surrender wrote:
ToonaRockGuy wrote:NS, guns don't kill people. People with guns kill people. Simple fact.
ok, bazzoksa don't kill either, do they. so, your for bazzokas being legal?

I do not think there is a fatality in the U. S. of A. attributed to a perp using a bazooka.

There are a few I would like to try target practice on though. ha ha

YankeeRose · Post by **YankeeRose** » Monday Jan 30, 2006

no surrender wrote:
ok, fine, lets make bazzoka legal sound good to you?

why do you think automatic weapons are illeagal?

think girl, think!

A Bazooka, Automatic Weapons and Gun Control have nothing do with children younger than 12 possibly being allowed to hunt. Nothing.

Besides, if we leave it up to "guns kill people", the only ones with weapons will be the criminals and the Government. No thanks.

AtoMikEnRtiA · Post by **AtoMikEnRtiA** » Monday Jan 30, 2006

no surrender wrote:uhh.. BAD!

more gun control please

People don't kill. GUNS KILL!

Banned · Post by **Banned** » Monday Jan 30, 2006

YankeeRose wrote:
no surrender wrote:
ok, fine, lets make bazzoka legal sound good to you?

why do you think automatic weapons are illeagal?

think girl, think!

A Bazooka, Automatic Weapons and Gun Control have nothing do with children younger than 12 possibly being allowed to hunt. Nothing.

Besides, if we leave it up to "guns kill people", the only ones with weapons will be the criminals and the Government. No thanks.

Well Bust my Buttons!!!

Yankee Rose, the most vicious right wing conservative could not have stated the truth any better.

HIMfag666 · Post by **HIMfag666** » Monday Jan 30, 2006

undercoverjoe wrote:
There are a few I would like to try target practice on though. ha ha

actually, i would volunteer for that simply becoz a) that would be a kick ass way to go and b) for one time in my life i would like to be the first one in america to do something. a trend setter if you will....

HIMfag666 · Post by **HIMfag666** » Monday Jan 30, 2006

i also think, if we all carried bazookas the crime rate would signifigantly drop. i mean really, who wants to fuck w/ someone with a bazooka?

AtoMikEnRtiA · Post by **AtoMikEnRtiA** » Monday Jan 30, 2006

HIMfag666 wrote:i also think, if we all carried bazookas the crime rate would signifigantly drop. i mean really, who wants to fuck w/ someone with a bazooka?

if we all carried bazookas crime would drop? are you serious? imagine.. giving a bank robber, or car theif a fucking semi-automatic weapon, LET ALONE a bazooka to carry out their threat with. They could kill absolutely everybody in the area in mere seconds and have a head start and make a chase that much harder..

HIMfag666 · Post by **HIMfag666** » Monday Jan 30, 2006

AtoMikEnRtiA wrote:
HIMfag666 wrote:i also think, if we all carried bazookas the crime rate would signifigantly drop. i mean really, who wants to fuck w/ someone with a bazooka?
if we all carried bazookas crime would drop? are you serious? imagine.. giving a bank robber, or car theif a fucking semi-automatic weapon, LET ALONE a bazooka to carry out their threat with. They could kill absolutely everybody in the area in mere seconds and have a head start and make a chase that much harder..

but i said IF WE ALLLLLL carried bazookas (or semi autos), then the bank tellers would have them too, and sure maybe a few bistanders and a teller or two would get knocked off, but so would the bank robbers and then hopefully no one else would be dumb enough to try it. haha

HIMfag666 · Post by **HIMfag666** » Monday Jan 30, 2006

well maybe that would have to happen a couple times for the rest of the bank robbers to get it, i mean, we do learn through repitition, but eventually they would learn.

bassist4life2004 · Post by **bassist4life2004** » Monday Jan 30, 2006

the lowest crime rate in the US is in a town in texas where it is mandated that everyone must own and carry a pistol. its a fact. I believe that the US would be a better place if everyone (except mental patients or criminals) were issued hand guns.

How compelled would a robber be to take ur purse if he knew you were going to shoot him in the back of the head while he was running?

HIMfag666 · Post by **HIMfag666** » Monday Jan 30, 2006

SEE SEE SEE!!!!! HAND GUNS FOR EVERYONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! one time i shot myself in the foot w/ a dart gun just to see if it would go through my shoe (at close range they do go through shoes-just in case you were wondering) NOW WHERE'S MY EFFING HAND GUN!?!?!?!?

YankeeRose · Post by **YankeeRose** » Tuesday Jan 31, 2006

undercoverjoe wrote:Yankee Rose, the most vicious right wing conservative could not have stated the truth any better.

Undercoverjoe, the most vicious right wing conservative wouldn't know the truth if it bit them in the Gluteus Maximus!

As I tried to discuss with you on this very issue one evening over a month ago, I believe in fully utilizing the Legislative branch of Government to uphold the Constitution and hold any President in check who tries to convince them to mess with the Right to Bear Arms. On many issues, the Senate and Congress do pay attention to constituents, just not enough contact them. I'm still a Democrat. A "Progressive Democrat" maybe, but a Democrat just the same!

SavageHeart · Post by **SavageHeart** » Tuesday Jan 31, 2006

Back to the topic at hand.....I can't imagine someone 10 years old in the woods with a gun. And the fact that an "adult" would be with them doesn't at all make me feel better. I have a 25 year old sister that I wouldn't want in the woods with a gun. The fact that she could "supervise" someone under 12 is a scary thought to me. Being an "adult" certainly doesn't automatically make you someone who is responsible.

RAM Z · Post by **RAM Z** » Tuesday Jan 31, 2006

I HAVE YOUR BAZOOKA RIGHT HERE !!!! What a bunch of thread highjackers, sheesh.

All right now, with that being said here's my 3 cents ....

When I first heard this I thought , why in the world would they want to let kids younger than 12 hunt , well it's simple , nobody is buying their license (sp) any more , so now they need to come up with a scheme to get back the funds they have lost .

I have been around firearms of all types, all of my life and have been a avid hunter for many years. I was shooting mark when I was around 8 or 9 years old . I learned a great deal from my uncles about guns and what they were capable of . They would take me with them when they went hunting , I wasn't ever allowed to have a gun to hunt with at that age , only when they were with me to shoot mark . When I turned 11 ,that was a whole other story , I then, carried a gun to hunt squirrels and only squirrels , a single shot 20 gauge and no rifles. I was in Boy Scouts at age 11 and shot 22 cal. rifles and flinlock rifles and even earned a badge as a excellent marksman , it made me feel great and helped me learn a great deal of respect and responsibility towards firearms . I would feel perfectly fine teaching my 10 year old daughter to shoot and hunt with me because of how I am and I know she would do great , hell for that matter I'd trust her more than some adults I know. There is a manditory safety test you must pass in order to obtain a license for the first time hunter , although I don't recall anyone ever wanting to see it . I just remember as a kid how good it felt that someone trusted you that much to be responsible and when you were it led to greater things down the road , motorcycles , cars , parties etc . I feel that if you trust in kids and show them the right way to do things without being a drill sargent about it , they can truly amaze you sometimes .

J.P. , saying " I won't hunt because I don't know who is in the woods with a gun " is like saying , " I won't drive because I don't know who is on the road . " to me that doesn't make sense

. You could always bow hunt if you wanted . I do agree that people would get slack on supervision and more accidents would start happening for sure and that would be sad , not to mention a bad reputation for hunters who are responsible.

To sum it all up , I feel, in my opinion , even though I support youths shooting mark, that the law, is just fine the way it is and should not be changed .

Oh btw NS , maybe if they do pass this new law my 10 year old and I will get our bazookas out and do a little "TROLL" hunting .

Don't you have some 80's rockers to drool over ? This thread had nothing to do with your or anybody elses opinions on gun control , it was a simple question about peoples veiws on youth hunters and nothing more .

SavageHeart · Post by **SavageHeart** » Tuesday Jan 31, 2006

RAM Z, I agree with everything you said. I grew up in a house with hunters. I also went shooting with my dad. I had great respect for guns and what they could do. And yes it did feel great when my dad trusted me with one. BUT, unfortunately, there are alot of people out there that aren't like that and to leave them in a position to supervise kids is scary. I agree, the law is fine the way it is.