What does Canada do that the US wont for miners?

[AtoMikEnRtiA]

cite: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060130/ap_ ... _mine_fire

a nice little off topic to start the week off ... read this.. 67 Canadien miners trapped in a mine in Saskatachewan after a mine fire.. similar conditions to the West Virginia mine tragedies of recent.. all 67 survive.

This puts a lot into perspective of the US's lack of training of miners, lack of supplies and ability to survive such a disaster when Northeast Saskatchewan can do so..

[f.sciarrillo]

I didn't read the article, but, from what I saw on fox news. They have fresh air and safety bunkers in case something like this happens. From what they said, they can seal these bunkers in case of something like what happen there happens.

Guess we can learn from them. Then the laws are changing for the minors here. The west Virginia governor went to Washington the day after the last disaster, and got legislation passed the same day. You will see a lot of changes ..

[Mikey Wax]

I'm pretty sure that Union mines have strict rules about safety. Most of the disasters in recent years have been in non-union mines that don't have as many precautions.

[Hawk]

I really hate to say this, but there are already safety laws in the books. President Bush and his administration took the power away from the safety regulators to force mine owners to follow safety procedures. There were many violations by this company, in this mine and others they own. Take a look at how mnay fines were done under President Clinton, and how few under Bush. This is all fact and has been reported, you just don't hear it on right wing conservative media.

This is exactly what the Bush crime family means when they say they want government out of your life. Translate : out of the lives of the rich.
The fact that they can wire tap ANYONE they want, is not government out of my life ! He is a law breaker and a lier.

[f.sciarrillo]

I really hate to say this, but there are already safety laws in the books. President Bush and his administration took the power away from the safety regulators to force mine owners to follow safety procedures. There were many violations by this company, in this mine and others they own. Take a look at how mnay fines were done under President Clinton, and how few under Bush. This is all fact and has been reported, you just don't hear it on right wing conservative media.

This is exactly what the Bush crime family means when they say they want government out of your life. Translate : out of the lives of the rich.
The fact that they can wire tap ANYONE they want, is not government out of my life ! He is a law breaker and a lier.

Why did I know that some how, some way, someone was going to blame this on bush .. Geesh :rolleyes:

[lonewolf]

I really hate to say this, but there are already safety laws in the books. President Bush and his administration took the power away from the safety regulators to force mine owners to follow safety procedures. There were many violations by this company, in this mine and others they own. Take a look at how mnay fines were done under President Clinton, and how few under Bush. This is all fact and has been reported, you just don't hear it on right wing conservative media.

This is exactly what the Bush crime family means when they say they want government out of your life. Translate : out of the lives of the rich.
The fact that they can wire tap ANYONE they want, is not government out of my life ! He is a law breaker and a lier.

Bill, I don't know where you found this info, but USA Today has a significantly different spin to it. Is USA Today a right wing paper?

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/200 ... OE=NEWISVA

This article contains interesting statements like:

"The West Virginia coal mine where an underground explosion left 12 miners dead and another with serious injuries had been cited for hundreds of federal safety violations since it opened in 1999, government records show."

and

"In all, the Sago Mine received 276 violations in 2004 and 2005, including 120 that were considered "significant and substantial." During that time, the government sought $33,600 in fines. Of that, the companies paid $23,986."

and

"Coal mine fatalities have dropped dramatically over the past century from a high of 3,242 in 1907 to a record low 22 in 2005, MSHA records show."

Also, Bush's crew cannot legally wiretap just anyone...only foreign phone calls with suspected terrorists are targeted.

[no surrender]

THIS admin is all about BIG BIS! if you don't beleve this you are foolish and naive!

[Grammar]

THIS admin is all about BIG BIS! if you don't beleve this you are foolish and naive!

This administrator is all about big business. If you don't believe this, you are foolish and naive!

You're welcome.

[YankeeRose]

There are many in this Country who don't see that there's anything Dubya or anyone in his administration has done wrong or illegal. If anyone believes only foreign phone calls were listened to, that no American phone calls were listened to without warrants, I have some ocean front property in Arizona to sell you.



We're expendable to our Government. All the WV Governor's trip was most likely, was another photo op, or throwing more good money after bad with no real results. "67" Miners SURVIVED in Canada? Praise the Lord! We have had access to the same methods and safety mechanisms the Canadians have. Why weren't they ever implemented? There is a U.S. Bureau of Mine Safety, is there not? Being Union has jack squat to do with it, they are still in the USA. It comes down to the bottom line, just like it always has with hard working peons. Most of my maternal 8 Uncles were Miners. Statistics, Percentages and Graphs don't mean a thing to the families of the Miners who recently died in WV. There was no reason for them to have perished.
None.

[lonewolf]

THIS admin is all about BIG BIS! if you don't beleve this you are foolish and naive!

You have a talent for stating the obvious. Of course the Bush administration policy favors big business. All republican administrations favor business because they know that without prosperous businesses, common people will be less likely to find quality employment.

He also spends our money like a drunken sailor, but I'm not going to blame him for shorter days in winter. The anti-Bush crowd will spin anything they can to convince the rank and file that he is the anti-Christ.

Say whatever you want about Bush regarding mining...the bottom line is that coal mining deaths are at all time lows under this administration and are significantly lower than the previous administration.

http://www.msha.gov/fatals/fabc.htm

[JeffLeeper]

It's not No's fault.
The Man's tryin' to keep him down....

[Hawk]

THIS admin is all about BIG BIS! if you don't beleve this you are foolish and naive!

You have a talent for stating the obvious. Of course the Bush administration policy favors big business. All republican administrations favor business because they know that without prosperous businesses, common people will be less likely to find quality employment.

[Yes, this is the voodoo economics of the trickle down theory. I would like a trickle up theory. Quit giving breaks to the rich and give them to the middle class. Then when we have money to spend, The rich will have to invest in factories to meet the demand. ]

[BUT]

[In case you haven't noticed, the big businesses (the Republicans support)are going over seas for near slave labor.]

[Have you been following the Abranoff (spelling) story ?]

[Do you remember Enron screwing California ?]

He also spends our money like a drunken sailor, but I'm not going to blame him for shorter days in winter. The anti-Bush crowd will spin anything they can to convince the rank and file that he is the anti-Christ.

[Not the Anti-Christ. Just a dictator.]

[Republicans usually say one thing and do another. Like Regan saying he wants smaller government. The government grew more under Regan than any other president. Now Bush is trying to out do him.]

Say whatever you want about Bush regarding mining...the bottom line is that coal mining deaths are at all time lows under this administration and are significantly lower than the previous administration.

[The relaxed regulations will catch up to him.]

http://www.msha.gov/fatals/fabc.htm

I tried to enter my opinions in between yours, but it dicn't work like I thought. I'll [ ] bracket my thoughts.

[lonewolf]

My biggest favorite is the old fascist dictator title.

After dealing with NSA types for 8 years and turning down an NSA supervisory position at Ft. Meade, I can tell you that if this was a fascist dictatorship...

...we would be wondering why we haven't seen any posts from the anti-Bush crowd lately...

[Hawk]

My biggest favorite is the old fascist dictator title.

After dealing with NSA types for 8 years and turning down an NSA supervisory position at Ft. Meade, I can tell you that if this was a fascist dictatorship...

...we would be wondering why we haven't seen any posts from the anti-Bush crowd lately...

LOL

Jeff ,

Too bad we didn't end up in a band together (Yet). Conversations to and from gigs would have been fun. Although I don't think I could keep up with you.

[Hawk]

...we would be wondering why we haven't seen any posts from the anti-Bush crowd lately...

BTW right now , he's just listening (wire tapping) to me !

[lonewolf]

...we would be wondering why we haven't seen any posts from the anti-Bush crowd lately...

BTW right now , he's just listening (wire tapping) to me !

Heh, heh, heh...they're coming for you, Bill.....

[Banned]

There are many in this Country who don't see that there's anything Dubya or anyone in his administration has done wrong or illegal. If anyone believes only foreign phone calls were listened to, that no American phone calls were listened to without warrants, I have some ocean front property in Arizona to sell you.



We're expendable to our Government. All the WV Governor's trip was most likely, was another photo op, or throwing more good money after bad with no real results. "67" Miners SURVIVED in Canada? Praise the Lord! We have had access to the same methods and safety mechanisms the Canadians have. Why weren't they ever implemented? There is a U.S. Bureau of Mine Safety, is there not? Being Union has jack squat to do with it, they are still in the USA. It comes down to the bottom line, just like it always has with hard working peons. Most of my maternal 8 Uncles were Miners. Statistics, Percentages and Graphs don't mean a thing to the families of the Miners who recently died in WV. There was no reason for them to have perished.
None.

My grandfather was in 3 mine cave-ins in the 1920's. I never knew it was Gorege W. Bush's grandfather who was responsible.

Maybe when you work in an environment where you are under tons of earth, which may come down on you at any moment, it is called dangerous.

Farming is actually considered the most dangerous occupation for accidents. My dad, my brother and I have had equitment accidents (we had a very hilly farm), and it was Bush's fault I know find out.

Maybe luck, prayers, kharma, or whatever might be involved. My grandfather survided 3 cave-ins and none of us were injured with te farm accidents. Cows stepping on your toes does hurt though.

[HurricaneBob]

My grandfather was also a miner, not sure where he worked but he did work with Charles Bronson in the mines, Bronsons real last name was Buchinski. I guess he worked with him a couple years then Bronson went on to Hollywood.

[onegunguitar]

Wasn't Bronson from like the Saxton area or something?

[HurricaneBob]

Just looked it up..Ehrenfeld, Pennsylvania.

Anyone know where that is?

[RobTheDrummer]

I always heard he was from South Fork. So that's probably near Ehrenfeld or whatever it is.

[onegunguitar]

Yea,that's about where it is,down towards the Johstown area.

[RobTheDrummer]

Anyway, mines are just dangerous. Always have been, always will be. It doesn't matter what safety rules are intact. If one collapses, you're fuct.

[AtoMikEnRtiA]

West Virginia's governor has JUST ordered all Mines in WVA to cease production until safety tests are done. 2 more miners died today in 2 seperate incidents..

This isn't good.. no matter who you think is at fault here..

[Banned]

I agree it is not good.

I do not think working miles under the earth is ever going to be safe.

I do know the cause of plane crashes and mine cave-ins......

gravity.