** New Orleans Hurricane Questionnaire

[PastaJoe]

New Orleans Hurricane Questionnaire


1. When a hurricane alert is announced in your area, with the potential of being a category 3 or higher when it hits nearby land, and you are told to evacuate (well over a week in advance) -- what would you do?
A. Quickly gather family, friends, and as many belongings you can and travel away from the area to shelter.
B. Ignore it and smoke another one.
C. Acknowledge the warning, but stay and brave the storm to protect your property and help others.
D. Quickly call all your brothers and plan how you can loot the city, rape, and kill others as they flee for safety.


2. In the aftermath of surviving a hurricane, as relief efforts are underway -- what would you do while waiting for transportation to safety?
A. Stay right where you are and wait for help.
B. Try to help as many others as you can.
C. Grab a boat and loot as many stores as humanly possible.
D. Rape all the women and shoot as many men and rescue workers as you can (shooting at the helicopters is kind of like shooting skeet).


3. After surviving a hurricane and its aftermath would you…?
A. Try to get word to family and friends that you’ve survived and help others to safety.
B. Volunteer to help hand out food, water, and medical supplies.
C. Help to find and rescue lost people in your area.
D. Rush to the nearest Wi-Fi HotSpot to post this thread on RockPage and wait for intelligent responses.

[Imgrimm01]

I don't know you and I won't judge you BUT as I watch the coverage of this thing on the news and I see good Ole " W " talking about what he PLANS to do I realized something... citizens are helping and donating, Celebrities are benefiting and helping, even a few other countries are donating items to help BUT our government HAS NOT stepped up to the plate NOT YET anyway, I mean we have a few units there dropping water and food and some medical help but It's all limited and WHY?? This is our Country!! We sure are quick to dive into Iraqi problems and what have we spent there in 2 years ? I don't have a figure BUT I bet it is enough to rebuild New Orleans 50 times over, I saw an interview with some soldgiers from the New Orleans National Guard ( IN IRAQ ) crying (Literally) because they can't be there to help their neighbors (you know the job the volunteered to do) because they are in Iraq fighting "terrorism " Dude this Country is in trouble and lots of it and I want to tell you it scares me the trouble scares me and the fact that so many people don't see it scares me more. This is NO LAUGHING MATTER !

[nakedtwister]

I know pastajoe and I know he's not downplaying what is going on down there. Sometime a little humor helps ease the pain. I think the point is that some people are looting not for food and water, but pilaging for friggin TV's, jewelry, etc. and for what. Not to feed families!!!!!!!! Cant blame that shit on the Govt.. It's kind of like the asshole that killed three people in town for beer. We as Americans need to pull together and not rape and steal items for profit reasons. The National Guardsmen can only move through a city in chaos but so fast to ensure the protection of citizens as well as themselves. People are shooting at them and they are Americans trying to help Americans.

[JeffLeeper]

Gotta disagree grimm....We have the largest natural disaster military relief program going on in history. 28000 national guard by the second day , and 5 navy warships.

Now we have convoys moving in. This is a natural disaster...nobody's fault. It's very frustrating , but we're talking about an area roughly the size of the UK....90,000 square miles....mind-boggling.

Most of the refugees are those who refused to leave when told to. There are a pile who couldn't , but more who could and didn't. Instead of pointing fingers , we need to step up and do something.

[bosskland]

http://www.directnic.com/ - DirectNIC is based in N.O. and has a team on staff protecting their databank and reporting on the happenings in the city. If you have about an hour or so and are wanting better information than you are getting on the news. Go read the Live Journal they are running at

http://www.livejournal.com/users/interdictor/

they are also updating photos as well at the following places

http://www.nola-intel.org/pictures/
http://www.nola-intel.org/pictures2/

webcams:

http://old.mises.org:88/NO
http://old.mises.org:88/NO2
http://194.97.144.25/NewOrleans

[Imgrimm01]

I didn't blame anyone or point fingers, what I said was we have so much of our military fighting a farce when they could be helping their own !! Looting for jewelry in this situation is wrong indeed but that can not be our focus now we have to get food and water to those in need.

[MOONDOGGY]

I still think you should run for a polotical office Grimm. Anyone with political opinions as strong as yours should be involved. (like music.....I'm sure you had strong feelings for music so that's why you got involved in the music scene.)

[Imgrimm01]

I don't know Moon, I have considered local office or perhaps a school board chair but who knows, I do have strong opinions and I am LOYAL as hell to my beliefs, no matter what they are, but this is about human compassion friend, I feel for these people and my heart bleeds and if I go to my local grocery store and see a certain gentleman( won't mention a name) who needs to eat ... I feed him... am I a saint ? NO but I care about my race, I know alot of you may not believe that based on some of the arguments and discussions we have had, BUT my political views are what they are also because I care about people , ALL PEOPLE not just the rich, the white,the christians or other wise ... The HUMAN race!

[YankeeRose]

I was talking to someone today with friends/relatives in the area and they were told many did not leave
because they did not have the means...no cars, that there were
no widespread evacuation plans and
that public transportation was not
the answer...that if many areas DO
rebuild, a lot will have to be looked at...AND, if even FEMA knew the storm was coming, for a week or more...it's now what, day FIVE?
Let them GET A DAMN MOVE ON!!! It's America, not Indonesia, okay? 28,000 troops for such a widespread area is virtually none. The sorrow, the suffering...I never should have watched a bit of it..."a PLAN" is bullshit and unacceptable...just HELP them! I agree...things are scary, very scary in this country and people are way too complacent, not noticing anything wrong. THAT is what scares me most of all...





Peace,
YankeeRose

[f.sciarrillo]

I think a small part of the people there wanted to stay behind just so they can loot and get a free lunch .. The rest were like mentioned, no way out .. But then you seen on tv how a bunch were walking. I am sure they could have done that .

But, I can't really say anything. When we had the floods last year, the police had to literally remove me from my house lol .. So, I know where some are coming from. It's more of a fear of not knowing if you will have something to come back to, and not wanting to lose what you have. Memories and sentimental value has a lot of power over someone .. I know this for a fact, especially after the events of things within my family in the past year ..

[Imgrimm01]

I watched this LIVE and Kanye " RIPPED BUSH UP " but later when I was recording the rebroadcast to have Kanye's rant on tape the so called " liberal media had edited the tape...


New York — It began, fittingly enough, with jazz from New Orleans natives Harry Connick Jr. and Wynton Marsalis.

But "A Concert for Hurricane Relief," a heartfelt and dignified benefit aired on NBC and other networks Friday night, took an unexpected turn thanks to the outspoken rapper Kanye West. Appearing two-thirds through the program, he claimed "George Bush doesn't care about black people" and said America is set up "to help the poor, the black people, the less well-off as slow as possible."

The show, simulcast from New York on NBC, MSNBC, CNBC and Pax, was aired live to the East Coast, enabling the Grammy-winning rapper's outburst to go out uncensored.

There was a several-second tape delay, but the person in charge "was instructed to listen for a curse word, and didn't realize (West) had gone off-script," said NBC spokeswoman Rebecca Marks.


Immediately after the airing was over, Marks said it was undetermined how much, if any, of the tirade would be included in the taped West Coast feed three hours later.

[Imgrimm01]

The 5 days that Bush waited to take action on this event makes the 9 minutes he spent reading a book after being told about the attack on the trade center seem great.

[YankeeRose]

But, I can't really say anything. When we had the floods last year, the police had to literally remove me from my house lol .. So, I know where some are coming from. It's more of a fear of not knowing if you will have something to come back to, and not wanting to lose what you have. Memories and sentimental value has a lot of power over someone .. I know this for a fact, especially after the events of things within my family in the past year.

Wow...dude, glad you came through it okay...I hope you wouldn't wait if there happens to be a next time. Were you speaking about Pittsburgh?
My uncle had to be evacuated from Millvale...I was watching WTAE and
when they showed the one Tunnel, possibly Squirrel Hill, almost totally submerged, I was cold with near shock...water can be a powerful force.






Peace,
YankeeRose

[kara]

I would have to say if I was ever stuck in the awful situation that they are in down there I would loot too but not for jewlery or valuable items I would be getting my kids some food something to drink and some dry clothes to wear. Look at how many people including children have died because of malnutrition and dehydration it is awful. One day the people that looted to get guns and ammo so they can just go around killing people they will get what they deserve . Maybe someone will just shoot them!! What are people thinking

[Bert|Evil]

Gotta disagree grimm....We have the largest natural disaster military relief program going on in history. 28000 national guard by the second day , and 5 navy warships.

Now we have convoys moving in. This is a natural disaster...nobody's fault. It's very frustrating , but we're talking about an area roughly the size of the UK....90,000 square miles....mind-boggling.

Most of the refugees are those who refused to leave when told to. There are a pile who couldn't , but more who could and didn't. Instead of pointing fingers , we need to step up and do something.

Right on, Jeff. These people, like Rita Crosby and all of the NAACP, who are shouting "what is taking so long" need to shut the hell up. You don't send recon specialists to certain and immediate death, you wait until things are somewhat manageable. It only gets worse if people are shooting at you using the guns that they stole from Wal Mart.

... but maybe there is some good to come of this. Think about all of those heroin addicts that are throwing fits right now, but will probably become clean and sober. A silver lining, perhaps.

... and if you know anyone from NO, it is usually a topic of coversation to discuss how "we're screwed if the big one ever hits".

[bassist_25]

I usually don't ever play the race/social card in situations like this, but I do wonder how things would have been handled if it were affluent white suburbs that were flooded. I'm not downplaying any relief efforts because I know those people are busting their asses, but I guarantee things would have been handled differently if that were the case.

A little piece of trivia for y'all: It's widely believed that the less wealthy were locked in the bowls of the Titanic, while the rich were permitted into the life boats.

Do you honestly believe that the times have changed?

[YankeeRose]

Right on, Jeff. These people, like Rita Crosby and all of the NAACP, who are shouting "what is taking so long" need to shut the hell up. You don't send recon specialists to certain and immediate death, you wait until things are somewhat manageable. It only gets worse if people are shooting at you using the guns that they stole from Wal Mart.

... but maybe there is some good to come of this. Think about all of those heroin addicts that are throwing fits right now, but will probably become clean and sober. A silver lining, perhaps.

... and if you know anyone from NO, it is usually a topic of coversation to discuss how "we're screwed if the big one ever hits".

"People"..."addicts"..."silver lining"? CHILDREN dying is a good thing...SILVER LINING??? Oh, I see...maybe his is some form of population control. The longer they take, the more poor, even poor white trash, which the "Liberal Media" are not showing, die. How much more COLD could you possibly be? Some New Orleans Firefighters and Police Officers have killed themselves over what they have had to deal with...LAND Emergency forces/contingents SHOULD have been mobilized and ready to move in as soon as the storm made it possible. PERIOD!




The ones who are shooting...how does anyone know they did not own those guns to begin with and they have just not lost their minds over what they've gone through? When a country like INDIA has donated 5 MILLION DOLLARS to the American Red Cross...our country is in sad shape, indeed and worse times are
ahead for all of us, many of whom can't take much more than they're already dealing with.





Peace,
YankeeRose

[HarleyRo1]

My Brother-in-law is Special Forces (guards) - he has been activated since 9/11/01 - most of the last 4 years he has spent either in the Middle East or at the base in Middleton - away from my sister and their three young children. He accepts this as his responsibility and "part of what he signed up for" - as does my sister and our family.

He was state-side when the Hurricane struck. I expected him to be immediately deployed. He wasn't deployed until Friday - and is now in New Orleans. His main job there will be to help eliminate the looters, and people who are deliberately causing harm to others.

I feel that our government waited far too long to send in additional help. No one should have been waiting on a roof for 6 days. Children should not have waited days for life's basic necessities like diapers and formula. Granted, many just simply didn't heed the warning, however, many had no way to get out.

We live in an area where our biggest natural disasters are ice storms and noreasters. I don't ever remember a time when I didn't have heat, water and shelter. These people's lives have been devistated, and we need to do whatever it takes to give them their lives back. If this means bringing back troops from the Middle East - then so be it. It's time to take care of our own - and spend our tax dollars on our own people!!

Ro

[ChaosRisingRice]

Yeah that is what i can't figure out at all. They knew that storm was going to be bad. And knew that there was going to be outstanding flooding. They should have had alot of people waiting just when this happened other than that i don't know.

[Bert|Evil]

Right on, Jeff. These people, like Rita Crosby and all of the NAACP, who are shouting "what is taking so long" need to shut the hell up. You don't send recon specialists to certain and immediate death, you wait until things are somewhat manageable. It only gets worse if people are shooting at you using the guns that they stole from Wal Mart.

... but maybe there is some good to come of this. Think about all of those heroin addicts that are throwing fits right now, but will probably become clean and sober. A silver lining, perhaps.

... and if you know anyone from NO, it is usually a topic of coversation to discuss how "we're screwed if the big one ever hits".

"People"..."addicts"..."silver lining"? CHILDREN dying is a good thing...SILVER LINING??? Oh, I see...maybe his is some form of population control. The longer they take, the more poor, even poor white trash, which the "Liberal Media" are not showing, die. How much more COLD could you possibly be? Some New Orleans Firefighters and Police Officers have killed themselves over what they have had to deal with...LAND Emergency forces/contingents SHOULD have been mobilized and ready to move in as soon as the storm made it possible. PERIOD!




The ones who are shooting...how does anyone know they did not own those guns to begin with and they have just not lost their minds over what they've gone through? When a country like INDIA has donated 5 MILLION DOLLARS to the American Red Cross...our country is in sad shape, indeed and worse times are
ahead for all of us, many of whom can't take much more than they're already dealing with.





Peace,
YankeeRose

When you make it to New Orleans to offer assistance, then you can absorb what's going on and maybe have an argument about how our Government could have acted more quickly. You'll need to get off your couch to do that, unfortunately. You can't form a decent opinion referencing your TV.

You simply cannot perform disaster or emergency management until there is some possibility of managing the situation. This situation didn't even show signs of manageability until day three. Tell me, how would you have done things differently? Would you have sent CG, AF, and Navy helicopters and troops in on day 1.5 just to get blown away by the high winds? Send them in on day 1.5 with no communications plan? Call Navy ships in from Norfolk 3 days before the hurricane potentially hits so that they arrive on day 1.5 (and not have a crystal ball to see what will happen)? Strategies like these take time, and I wouldn't expect an Armchair Humanist to understand. Moving more quickly would not have the palpable increase of saved lives that you have concocted in your mind. Honestly, I was amazed to see that people would complain, especially when you consider how close we became after 911. Just another frustrated liberal mass rant? More speculative liberal alchemy?

I do feel terrible that this loss of humanity is happening, but, "an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure". Plenty of time and resources were sunk into investigating the potential of this proverbial sh*t hitting the fan, not to mention all of the efforts to warn people. EVERYONE in NO has conversed about this reality. Personally, I think that things were handled quite well when all things are considered. Tell me, were any of you flaming liberals complaining about how the governments of the other countries effected by the tsunamis delayed rescue efforts?

[YankeeRose]

When you make it to New Orleans to offer assistance, then you can absorb what's going on and maybe have an argument about how our Government could have acted more quickly. You'll need to get off your couch to do that, unfortunately. You can't form a decent opinion referencing your TV.

You simply cannot perform disaster or emergency management until there is some possibility of managing the situation. This situation didn't even show signs of manageability until day three. Tell me, how would you have done things differently? Would you have sent CG, AF, and Navy helicopters and troops in on day 1.5 just to get blown away by the high winds? Send them in on day 1.5 with no communications plan? Call Navy ships in from Norfolk 3 days before the hurricane potentially hits so that they arrive on day 1.5 (and not have a crystal ball to see what will happen)? Strategies like these take time, and I wouldn't expect an Armchair Humanist to understand. Moving more quickly would not have the palpable increase of saved lives that you have concocted in your mind. Honestly, I was amazed to see that people would complain, especially when you consider how close we became after 911. Just another frustrated liberal mass rant? More speculative liberal alchemy?

I do feel terrible that this loss of humanity is happening, but, "an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure". Plenty of time and resources were sunk into investigating the potential of this proverbial sh*t hitting the fan, not to mention all of the efforts to warn people. EVERYONE in NO has conversed about this reality. Personally, I think that things were handled quite well when all things are considered. Tell me, were any of you flaming liberals complaining about how the governments of the other countries effected by the tsunamis delayed rescue efforts?

Can you comprehend what you read? I clearly stated LAND Emergency contingents and Military Forces should have been mobilized, (On standby, ready.) and sent in as soon as it was possible...I guess I should have added "safely" possible for those who cannot comprehend the English language... Going in by air or via water was clearly not an option so soon after the storm abated. There are other Posts addressing this issue, especially HarleyRo1's brother-in-law in the Army, so I don't need to add anything further. This is America, not Indonesia, there is no excuse for it taking so long.
Also, Charity begins at home.


By the way, you happened to evoke 09-11...are you going to start saying "terror" every other word now, too?


I sincerely wish I could go there to help. How about YOU get up from your couch/recliner or computer chair and go there, or better still, just write a nice, big check, that'll give you a warm, fuzzy feeling, won't it? Then you won't have to give any of the "Silver lining" another thought.






Peace,
YankeeRose

[lonewolf]

This arguing and bickering about such a tragedy is disgusting.

Look up the word "logistics" and apply the definition to "flooded disaster area". The two do not belong in the same sentence.

Perhaps the LA. National Guard should have been put on alert before the storm. That may have saved one day in the logistics of assembling tens of thousands of troops for deployment. To call them to active duty before the storm would be foolish. Assemble them at the wrong place at the wrong time and the storm could have disabled the force.

This was not an NFL game and there is no call for unqualified Monday morning armchair quarterbacks.

[RAM Z]

I will tell ya first hand, I have helped with clean up and restorations of vital communications after hurricanes as well as BRUTAL winter ice storms and if any of you who have never seen the carnage of natures wrath first hand you do not honestley know what any of these people are going through! This shit of blameing our government for not responding quick enough is total bullshit and has no place right now! If you don't think they're not doing what they can and all they can, why bitch about it and wait for someone else to step up to the plate? DO YOUR PART DAMN IT! There is lots of things we all can do to help! Donate to the places that are currently contributing to this disaster! WE THE PEOPLE are a far greater power in horrible events such as this than our government will ever be.

Bitch'n about this right now is not doing anyone any good at all! If I was currently able to leave my job for a while to go to the south to help I sure as hell would and I'm sure many of you would also! This is one of the most terrible things to ever happen to the U.S . After all the search and rescue efforts are done, every one who can be saved is saved and all the flood waters have receeded will we really be able to see the true devistation! Nobody realizes it will be along time before any of the places hit by Katrina will even be fit for most of these people to return! These people will need OUR HELP for a long, long time to come no matter if they could or couldn't get out in time. Have some compassion people stop pushing the blame to some one else this is not the time whatsoever. What makes this country so great is we can over look our racial and religious backrounds and come together in terrible times and pull through them. So tonight when your're scraping that part of steak you couldn't eat into your dog's dish, or complaining about gas, think about the thousands of people who now have nothing at all except hope that someone is try'n their best to help them! Please everyone do whatever you can even if it's just say'n a prayer! Our fellow Americans and human beings need all the help we can give them RIGHT NOW, so those of you who are worried about the politics of this whole mess, and why didn't they get out factor need to get over your selfish needs for answers and do something to help out these people! KNOW YOUR ROLE, what if you were in their shoes?

[YankeeRose]

Ram Z, first of all, some levity,
you know, humor...Steak, what is that of which you speak???


HarleyRo1's brother-in-law was
deployed on Friday, by Sunday he
was in New Orleans...when lives are in the balance, time is of the essence, CRITICAL...we weren't going overseas, this was Louisiana for crying out loud! It didn't take 5 days after Andrew, I can tell you that for a FACT and if this had been Florida, it wouldn't have taken 5 days. I still reiterate, there was no excuse to not have more help in there, faster...it was raining the last bit here in PA from Katrina by when? Wednesday? NO excuse.



How many Hurricanes have hit that area in our lifetimes? Those people who could have left and didn't were probably thinking it was going to be just more of the same and the rest simply had no way to get out, some have survived and talked, that's also a fact. I also agree, I'd be there if I could. After Andrew hit Homestead, once we heard from them, my immediate reaction was to tell my boss I was going to need time off to go help all of my cousins down there (5 at that time and their families), with my station wagon loaded up. I had called their sister and other cousins (My mom had 10 siblings.), who were going to bring stuff to take down, I even had it all mapped out, but they told their sister I'd never get through, so it was packed up and sent to them, instead. One of them still had what could be considered a street address.



Empathy...feeling someone else's pain, putting yourself in another's shoes...too many have honestly had it way too easy to be able to do so, or just don't seem to have any compassion what so ever.







Peace,
YankeeRose

[RAM Z]

Has anyone even took notice to Metal_junky's post about getting something together to benifit the hurricane victims? Sure ya did, 183 views and 7 replies! Like I said before everyone is more worried about the price of gas and freak'n politics! To me this is very dissapointing and sad. Where are ya Rockpagers? Come on people give Metal_junky a little feedback on this subject so they can get something going.