HAIL TO THE CHIEF...

[BDR]

“Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we.”

— President George W. Bush, Thursday, Aug. 5, 2004, at the signing ceremony for his $417 billion defense spending bill.

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[Imgrimm01]

Yeah man there is no better way to spend that much money,, I mean who needs education, health care, heck for that matter let the homeless be home less PISS on THEM , Let them get their money and homes the same way " W " got his .... Given to him by their rich fathers and crooked foreign oil companies...

[lonewolf]

Yeah man there is no better way to spend that much money,, I mean who needs education, health care, heck for that matter let the homeless be home less PISS on THEM , Let them get their money and homes the same way " W " got his .... Given to him by their rich fathers and crooked foreign oil companies...

Hell, yeah...and from that dead ketchup guy too!

[witchhunt]

I think you're missing the point of the first post. Read again, carefully.

[BDR]

Thanks, witchhunt...I was starting to become worried...

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[Imgrimm01]

Dude I got it and was agreeing with you TOTALLY !! This guy is a danger and we need to get him out I have been doing everything I know how to do talking, preaching etc... I definately use my " front man " time to talk anti Bush as much as posible .. Having a Mic. and a PA help BUT we need more more more !!! Bush has Got to GO !!!

[tom]

Ingrimm wrote..... "I definately use my " front man " time to talk anti Bush as much as posible .. Having a Mic. and a PA help BUT we need more more more !!! Bush has Got to GO !!!"

Bob, Please don't take this the wrong way, but do yo ureally feel that it is your place to use the stage to engage in political rhetoric?

Is it fair to the people who are paying cover who aren't political; or don't agree with you to have to sit through your diatribes about how bad GW is?.... Most people go out to clubs to escape the day to day B.S..
My feeling is that whether you are a regional band, national act, or an actor, your job is to be a 'blank slate', Your job is to entertain, not to shove your beliefs down other peoples' throats.

You are entitled to your opinion, but being onstage doesn't give you supreme authority to aspouse your views; You are there to entertain!!
If you would like to set up a date in a public forum where political minded people can get together to discuss and debate the views of the day, you have my 110% support, but don't "bait & switch" with people who attend your shows

[Imgrimm01]

i never bait and switch NOR do I force anything on anyone I just simply give my opinion there as I do here they can ignore it, like , hate it their right to choose indeed , I respect them all the same.

[tom]

i never bait and switch NOR do I force anything on anyone I just simply give my opinion there as I do here they can ignore it, like , hate it their right to choose indeed , I respect them all the same.

Bob,
I DO see it as bait and switch..... People are there to hear music, not political opinion.

Don't you think that people will be turned off by you if they don't argee, and could this have an effect on your crowd????

[str8h8]

As I recall, I am pretty sure music has it's roots in people having a message or something to say. A lot of RATM songs are/contain political statements. The Beastie Boys have taken up the whole free Tibet thing. Bruce Springsteen is big in Amnesty International. If someone wants to use their "position" in a band, regional, national or otherwise...I think they can and should do as they please. If people don't want to hear it, they won't come. I used to hate Phil Anselmo's rants at Pantera shows about Metallica and whoever the flavor of the week band was, but I still went to the shows. It's the US of A man, you're basically saying that Bob's free speech right is unfair to other people because they might not agree with it. Makes no sense to me.

[bassist_25]

Once again, poor Dubya's bad linguistic skills make him sound even more like an idiot.

What do you expect though? I don't think I'm Fraiser or anything, but I have to go through the day hearing people make all kinds of simple grammatical errors. It's all there: double negatives, incorrect usage of verbs in subjunctive clauses, colloquial sayings, "me" said before the other noun in the subject (and to stack that on top, it's usually suppose to be "I" anyways), ebonics, ect. I remember the chain letter that was posted here a few weeks ago had mentioned something about foreigners learning how to speak English. Here's a thought: HOW ABOUT AMERICANS LEARN HOW TO SPEAK ENGLISH?!?!?

Again, what do you expect? We have a President that can't even create a cogent sentence, so why should the American people have any linguistic skills that go beyond their 5th grade grammar books? (Thank God for No Child Left Behind) I mean, if there are different forms of "good", why don't we just eliminate the other forms and say "doublegood". But if it's even better, "doubleplusgood" would work. Please excuse me while I hold two conflicting maxims in my head. Oh don't worry, I'm the creating a contridiction; I'm just practicing "doublethink".

EDIT: And another thing: Why aren't Republicans upset with Bush and his total disregard to fiscal responsibility?

[tom]

It's the US of A man, you're basically saying that Bob's free speech right is unfair to other people because they might not agree with it. Makes no sense to me.

Bobby has the right to his opinion; Bobby has the right to express his opinion, but people paying cover ALSO have rights.
If The Grimm lose crowds because people don't want to be preached to, then what has been accomplished? There is a complete difference in putting your message in your music and what you are saying between the songs.

The point I am making is that you need to know your audience, and what they will endure.


BTW, Paul, could you check my spelling and grammar?

[bassist_25]

As I recall, I am pretty sure music has it's roots in people having a message or something to say. A lot of RATM songs are/contain political statements. The Beastie Boys have taken up the whole free Tibet thing. Bruce Springsteen is big in Amnesty International. If someone wants to use their "position" in a band, regional, national or otherwise...I think they can and should do as they please. If people don't want to hear it, they won't come. I used to hate Phil Anselmo's rants at Pantera shows about Metallica and whoever the flavor of the week band was, but I still went to the shows. It's the US of A man, you're basically saying that Bob's free speech right is unfair to other people because they might not agree with it. Makes no sense to me.

Agreed.

It all comes down to people and their need for self-identification. People need others to agree with them so that their positions are validated. Most people can't look at an idea, position, or belief from an objective standpoint. (especially if it's there own) I think it's kind of funny that people can't seperate the art from the artist. I think Malmsteen is a total tool, but I still love to hear him shred. I disagree with just about everything political that Ted Nugent says, but I still love to rock out to Stranglehold. (and don't get me started on my "Metallica" rant; it's very politically incorrect, and I take Metallica's side in it )

From a professional standpoint, I would advise Bobby to not be political at shows. Like I said, people should be able to make a distiction between the art and the artist, but unfortunatley, that isn't the case. I wouldn't push any sort of political agenda at our shows; we're not a political band. We play radio friendly tunes for people to dance to, and forget their problems for a few hours. But if someone walked up to me during a break, and asked me what I thought of the Presidential race, I would give my opinion.

[Imgrimm01]

Grimm fans know that when they come to a Grimm show they should expect to hear anything and usually EVERYTHING , I'm not one to be subtle about what I have to say I ask for sexual favors for the whole band, nudity etc.. I'm sure a little dig on " W" will not hurt anyone besides I believe Grimm fans are smart enough to know an ass wipe when they see one,and they need not look any further these days than the white house.

[tom]

Grimm fans know that when they come to a Grimm show they should expect to hear anything and usually EVERYTHING , I'm not one to be subtle about what I have to say I ask for sexual favors for the whole band, nudity etc.. I'm sure a little dig on " W" will not hurt anyone besides I believe Grimm fans are smart enough to know an ass wipe when they see one,and they need not look any further these days than the white house.

Besides, most people who go to clubs don't vote anyway.
Maybe you can get them energized enough to care and to participate in the system.

[Punkinhead]

Dubya's stupidity never ceases to amaze me...you would think that maybe once in a while he would catch this stupid shit....oh well...

Who cares if Bob wants to rant. It's his right to do so...if you don't like it, don't go or leave...its simple...if im somewhere and start to hear something i could care less to hear, i leave...

BTW, what does John Kerry stand for vs. what Dubya stands for? I'm curious...I try to listen to either one talk and all I hear is that each wants to make this a better place but, nothing of any value is said....someone fill me in...

[byndrsn]

Once again, poor Dubya's bad linguistic skills make him sound even more like an idiot.

What do you expect though? I don't think I'm Fraiser or anything, but I have to go through the day hearing people make all kinds of simple grammatical errors. It's all there: double negatives, incorrect usage of verbs in subjunctive clauses, colloquial sayings, "me" said before the other noun in the subject (and to stack that on top, it's usually suppose to be "I" anyways), ebonics, ect. I remember the chain letter that was posted here a few weeks ago had mentioned something about foreigners learning how to speak English. Here's a thought: HOW ABOUT AMERICANS LEARN HOW TO SPEAK ENGLISH?!?!?

Okay, first post, you know I love ya Paul - but GET OVER YOURSELF!!!

I know that you have a lot more intelligence than I do. I will admit that to you or anybody else. I don't berate people who have less abilities than I do.

Butt whoollly phuck, u knead two bee a litle les condicending and phompASS!!!!!!!

[byndrsn]

2nd Post:

Bobby Lee,

Dude, I can agree with your first amendment rights - no sweat (or swamp ass), but would you be pleased if you came to one of our shows and had to hear either Dan or I (who are both for Bush) talking about our pro-Bush beliefs between songs. I have a feeling you would (at best) leave and never come again - and I would not blame you.

Maybe I'm wrong (it has been known to happen)

Urbs

[byndrsn]

BTW, what does John Kerry stand for vs. what Dubya stands for? I'm curious...I try to listen to either one talk and all I hear is that each wants to make this a better place but, nothing of any value is said....someone fill me in...

If you look at Kerry's voting record - he stands for everything. He votes both sides of the fence. He is not consistent on much of anything. Except that he is in favor of murdering innocent unborn americans, against firearms and WAY to much in favor of the UN.

Dubya's stupidity never ceases to amaze me...you would think that maybe once in a while he would catch this stupid shit....oh well..

I like some of these quotes from John Kerry (in comparison Bush's stupidity):::

<i> "The vast majority of our imports come from outside the country."- John F. Kerry (as opposed to where?)

"If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure."- John F. Kerry (enlightening)

"One word sums up probably the responsibility of any Governor, and that one word is 'to be prepared'."- John F. Kerry

"I have made good judgments in the past. I have made good judgments in the future."- John F. Kerry (so very knowing)

"The future will be better tomorrow."- John F. Kerry (debatable)

"We're going to have the best educated American people in the world."- John F. Kerry (I could only pray that it is so)

<b> "I stand by all the misstatements that I've made."- John F. Kerry </b>

"We have a firm commitment to NATO, we are a part of NATO. We have a Firm commitment to Europe. We are a part of Europe."- John F. Kerry

"Public speaking is very easy."- John F. Kerry

"A low voter turnout is an indication of fewer people going to the polls."- John F. Kerry (fuckin brilliant!!!)

"We are ready for any unforeseen event that may or may not occur."- John F. Kerry (I hope it doesn't)

"For NASA, space is still a high priority."- John F. Kerry

"Quite frankly, teachers are the only profession that teach our children."- John F. Kerry (thankfully it isn't John Kerry)

"It isn't pollution that's harming the environment. It's the impurities in our air and water that are doing it."- John F. Kerry

"It's time for the human race to enter the solar system."- John F. Kerry
</i> (maybe that is where he is from?!?!?!?)

[bassist_25]

Okay, first post, you know I love ya Paul - but GET OVER YOURSELF!!!

I know that you have a lot more intelligence than I do. I will admit that to you or anybody else. I don't berate people who have less abilities than I do.

Butt whoollly phuck, u knead two bee a litle les condicending and phompASS!!!!!!!

It's cool. I know that some of my stuff probaly comes off rather abrasive. I was kind of exagerrating my pet peeve about bad grammar. It's just that I sometimes feel like the proverbial Lisa Simpson. I remembered the chain letter and thought that it was a bit ironic.

Just tonight, at the Clearfield fair, some asshole accused me of looking at his girlfriend. (I didn't even notice the chick until he brought it up) I told him to quit acting like such an alpha-male. It probaly went over his head. In hindsight I should have told him that girls don't like insecure guys. But now I'm rambling.

[HurricaneBob]

WTF!

[byndrsn]

Okay, first post, you know I love ya Paul - but GET OVER YOURSELF!!!

I know that you have a lot more intelligence than I do. I will admit that to you or anybody else. I don't berate people who have less abilities than I do.

Butt whoollly phuck, u knead two bee a litle les condicending and phompASS!!!!!!!

It's cool. I know that some of my stuff probaly comes off rather abrasive. I was kind of exagerrating my pet peeve about bad grammar. It's just that I sometimes feel like the proverbial Lisa Simpson. I remembered the chain letter and thought that it was a bit ironic.

Just tonight, at the Clearfield fair, some asshole accused me of looking at his girlfriend. (I didn't even notice the chick until he brought it up) I told him to quit acting like such an alpha-male. It probaly went over his head. In hindsight I should have told him that girls don't like insecure guys. But now I'm rambling.

Was she hot??

[Sanctify]

byndrsn--- thanks for posting the other side of things...

bassist-25... I enjoyed the 1985 references... however, IMO... NCLB, in it's current form, is not the solution to the language problem let alone america's education problem... NCLB has gone through many changes already and I'm SURE that it will go through many more before we get to the supposed (damn that sounds like Johnny Cochrane when I say supposed) 100% proficient or above...

Something needs to be done about language... if anyone on rockpage works at a school... especially a city school, you know what I'm talking about... sometimes it is unbelieveable to witness....

[lonewolf]

EDIT: And another thing: Why aren't Republicans upset with Bush and his total disregard to fiscal responsibility?

Who say's we aren't?

Of course, next to nobody has a clue about what happened in the late 90s that resulted in a few balanced budgets.

From 1997-1999, trillions of otherwise tax-free 401K and IRA dollars found their way into the economy via inflated stock investments. Trillions. Much of this went to bad tech and internet companies with no real business plan or hard assets. These companies spent the money like drunken sailors in a very short amount of time.

A lot of this money went to millions of high-paying service jobs that lasted only a few years. All this spending activity resulted in windfall tax revenues as a percentage of GDP for 1999-2000. Spending as a percentage of GDP has remained flat (except for a slight drop in 2000) since 1997.

Since the bubble burst and the long bear stock market, tax revenues from all sources dropped significantly and bottomed out last year. It has nothing to do with tax cuts. If anything, the these tax incentives spurred a lot of trading activity and has stabilized what was once a falling knife.

Clinton was the luckiest man in the world for just "being there" when the bubble surged. Bush is the unluckiest man in the world since Herber Hoover by taking office after the bubble already started bursting.

Notice that I didn't even mention any catastrophic events?

[bassist_25]

Was she hot??

You know, I didn't even notice; I was too busy dealing with this insecure idiot. I wasn't about to get drawn into a fight and lose everything over some dipshit. She must not have been that great if I didn't notice her.

re Sancity: Cool, thanks for the insight. The No Child Left Behind really wasn't any reference to 1984, I just felt like throwing that in there for good measure. *LOL*

re Lonewolf: Thanks, you're my favorite conservative at RP.