Alright .... so im real curious. I've seen a few guitar players when they are about to do a lead they use a foot pedal - it normally gives a nice loud, bold, bright tone and the lead sounds different then the rest of the song. I've tried using my over drive (stock with my amp) but it doesnt give me the sound im looking for. It would be great if i were playing death metal or something, but im looking for a bluesy sound.
So what kinda pedals do you lead players use? Tube screamers, over drives?
Thanks for the help!
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Kayla,
There are a few options.
Clean boost, an OD, a compressor can work, an EQ, or some of the other variants
on the boost pedal.
For some, a pure, straight clean boost works. There are a lot of these around,
some "cleaner" than others, and cost can vary. For one that works really well
and is relatively inexpensive, but built like a tank, the little ElectroHarmonix
Nano is a good choice. One knob, can be a REALLY loud boost if you want.
ODs can work, but A) Are sometimes noisy, can colour the tone more than you
might like, etc. THAT being said, until I fond what I use now, I kept going back
to my old Boss OD and it worked as well as some really expensive stuff.
There is the classic TubeScreamer. It may be another "depends which one you
get" because I've seen complaints about some of the runs.
As for the "other" boost that are both boost/add some gain, etc. I've run through a
good few trying to find what works best for me. I settled on the FullTone Fatboost 3.
My setup's a bit odd and I needed to thicken things just a bit.
Had the V.1, which was pretty good, but lacked something. The V.2, they changed
some things as far as what you could adjust, and since there was such a short time
frame between v.2 and v.3, and some complaints, there also seem to be some
quality issues.
Also have a Seymour Duncan pickup booster. It works very well, for what I was
looking for, wanted a bit more flexibility. For something that's more "blues", might
be a good choice. My only issue with it is that its boost starts at 6db and I wanted
something that started at 0. Most people don't have an issue with that though.
Others that are pretty nice highly regarded are varieties of the "Tim" pedals. There
are also the RC Booster...whole lot of them. There's a British company that makes
one called the Hotcake and another called the Bluesberry that I liked the look of but
it's often out of stock and didn't pop up on EBay, etc.
A few others on the clean boost/boost side:
Catalinabread Chili Picoso
HBE Germania pedal
Barber Launch Pad
RC Booster
Picoso
Luther Drive
Boosta Grandé
Could also speak to Barry at Bardel and see what he can whip up. Hand-made,
local and his prices seem unbeatable.
There are a few options.
Clean boost, an OD, a compressor can work, an EQ, or some of the other variants
on the boost pedal.
For some, a pure, straight clean boost works. There are a lot of these around,
some "cleaner" than others, and cost can vary. For one that works really well
and is relatively inexpensive, but built like a tank, the little ElectroHarmonix
Nano is a good choice. One knob, can be a REALLY loud boost if you want.
ODs can work, but A) Are sometimes noisy, can colour the tone more than you
might like, etc. THAT being said, until I fond what I use now, I kept going back
to my old Boss OD and it worked as well as some really expensive stuff.
There is the classic TubeScreamer. It may be another "depends which one you
get" because I've seen complaints about some of the runs.
As for the "other" boost that are both boost/add some gain, etc. I've run through a
good few trying to find what works best for me. I settled on the FullTone Fatboost 3.
My setup's a bit odd and I needed to thicken things just a bit.
Had the V.1, which was pretty good, but lacked something. The V.2, they changed
some things as far as what you could adjust, and since there was such a short time
frame between v.2 and v.3, and some complaints, there also seem to be some
quality issues.
Also have a Seymour Duncan pickup booster. It works very well, for what I was
looking for, wanted a bit more flexibility. For something that's more "blues", might
be a good choice. My only issue with it is that its boost starts at 6db and I wanted
something that started at 0. Most people don't have an issue with that though.
Others that are pretty nice highly regarded are varieties of the "Tim" pedals. There
are also the RC Booster...whole lot of them. There's a British company that makes
one called the Hotcake and another called the Bluesberry that I liked the look of but
it's often out of stock and didn't pop up on EBay, etc.
A few others on the clean boost/boost side:
Catalinabread Chili Picoso
HBE Germania pedal
Barber Launch Pad
RC Booster
Picoso
Luther Drive
Boosta Grandé
Could also speak to Barry at Bardel and see what he can whip up. Hand-made,
local and his prices seem unbeatable.
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Ya, i have three of barry's pedals. I have the stage 3 booster, but i just run it through and most of the time don't turn it off. Maybe i could switch between running without the pedal and then running the stage 3 for leads. I will try that when i get home and see what i think.
hmm...so many options...
hmm...so many options...
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Yep, as far as I know, the Stage 3 is set up to do exactly what you're asking it too. Set it up as one setting for dirty rhythm, one for dirty lead, and off for clean.--->JMSfelix'apprentice wrote:Ya, i have three of barry's pedals. I have the stage 3 booster, but i just run it through and most of the time don't turn it off. Maybe i could switch between running without the pedal and then running the stage 3 for leads. I will try that when i get home and see what i think.
hmm...so many options...
great product advice in the previous posts.
pedals and effects can be HIGHLY addictive. they can definately help.....the quest for great tone seems to be never ending. i've been playing for 20+ years and spent the first 15 having fun with different pedals. in my humble opinion, when it comes down to it, they're just bells and whistles. dynamics are where it's at. 90% of tone is skin and bone!
(but, a nice subtle volume boost can't hurt!)
pedals and effects can be HIGHLY addictive. they can definately help.....the quest for great tone seems to be never ending. i've been playing for 20+ years and spent the first 15 having fun with different pedals. in my humble opinion, when it comes down to it, they're just bells and whistles. dynamics are where it's at. 90% of tone is skin and bone!
(but, a nice subtle volume boost can't hurt!)
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Don't go spending money on something you already have.
Your Hot Rod Deluxe has a built in boost which boosts gain on the Drive channel the same way a clean boost pedal works. You need the 2 button footswitch to activate it from the floor.
Your amp has 3 voicings:
Normal channel (clean channel)
Drive channel
More Drive (boosted drive channel)
That More Drive button isn't there just to add gain to the Drive channel. It is there to switch the Drive channel between a cleaner rhythm and a gainier lead sound and its footswitchable.
On the 2-button footswitch, one of the footswitch buttons toggles between the Normal channel and the Drive channel. The other footswitch button toggles the Drive channel between Drive and More Drive.
The More Drive has a more dramatic effect as you lower the drive control on the drive channel. That makes your Drive rhythm cleaner and gives your boost more headroom to do its thing.
Your Hot Rod Deluxe has a built in boost which boosts gain on the Drive channel the same way a clean boost pedal works. You need the 2 button footswitch to activate it from the floor.
Your amp has 3 voicings:
Normal channel (clean channel)
Drive channel
More Drive (boosted drive channel)
That More Drive button isn't there just to add gain to the Drive channel. It is there to switch the Drive channel between a cleaner rhythm and a gainier lead sound and its footswitchable.
On the 2-button footswitch, one of the footswitch buttons toggles between the Normal channel and the Drive channel. The other footswitch button toggles the Drive channel between Drive and More Drive.
The More Drive has a more dramatic effect as you lower the drive control on the drive channel. That makes your Drive rhythm cleaner and gives your boost more headroom to do its thing.
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ahh i didnt even think about that, i had that pedal inside the amp and forgot all about it. so i could keep my stage 3 runnin continuously and then use my drive pedal for an extra lil boost, right? i know the stage 3 has to stay closest to the amp in the chain ... so id run, amp, stage 3, footswitch, guitar, right? if i have to, i could take the stage 3 out, but i really dont want to. hmmm..lonewolf wrote: Your Hot Rod Deluxe has a built in boost which boosts gain on the Drive channel the same way a clean boost pedal works. You need the 2 button footswitch to activate it from the floor.
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your foot switch will not go in chain at all. All that it does is let you select channels on the amp remotely. I havn't seen one in a while, but I'm pretty sure they don't even have a place to jack into them. You should plug the wire from your footswitch into the jack marked "footswitch" on the back of your amp.
Also, just as a matter of convention I've never seen anyone list their effects chain like you did. Everyone I've seen lists it guitar>pedal>amp
Also, just as a matter of convention I've never seen anyone list their effects chain like you did. Everyone I've seen lists it guitar>pedal>amp
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MeYatch wrote:your foot switch will not go in chain at all. All that it does is let you select channels on the amp remotely. I havn't seen one in a while, but I'm pretty sure they don't even have a place to jack into them. You should plug the wire from your footswitch into the jack marked "footswitch" on the back of your amp.
ahhh ok lol. so then i should be good to go, i will mess with it tonight.
thanks!
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Boosting the boost might not do much for you. There's a point where you don't get any more noticeable volume or gain.felix'apprentice wrote:ahh i didnt even think about that, i had that pedal inside the amp and forgot all about it. so i could keep my stage 3 runnin continuously and then use my drive pedal for an extra lil boost, right? i know the stage 3 has to stay closest to the amp in the chain ... so id run, amp, stage 3, footswitch, guitar, right? if i have to, i could take the stage 3 out, but i really dont want to. hmmm..lonewolf wrote: Your Hot Rod Deluxe has a built in boost which boosts gain on the Drive channel the same way a clean boost pedal works. You need the 2 button footswitch to activate it from the floor.
- kayla.
If I was you, I would sit down with your guitar and amp ("with nothing in between to fuck up the signal" -- Ted Nugent) and experiment with it to find out just what its capable of doing. Once you've checked that out, add in the pedals and go from there.
About the footswitch: What Meyatch said. Plug it into the footswitch jack on the top panel.
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Kayla,
The Stage 3 is pretty much designed to find the sweet spot and be left on. It is a post gain only type of boost and not really meant exclusively for lead tones but as an overall Super Tone Booster for no matter what it is that you are doing so you are using it in the manner which I would recommend.
If you are looking for a Lead boost then I would first recommend what the other guy told you about using what you have available in your amp.
If that does not cut it which I think it will I could build you a Rangemaster type pedal to use as a Lead Booster which has been a very useful tool for many of the greats from Eric Clapton to Ritchie Blackmore to Brian May to Black Sabbath to Iron Maiden! And many, many more in between.
When I make my Rangemasters for customers I build them with a 3 position tone switch so that you have all the options!
1. A Full Range Boost nice for Sabbath tones among others.
2. A Treble Boost - Great for cutting through the Drums ala Brian May and many others!
3. Mid Hump - Also great for cutting through the mix but not as bright. Ala Eric Clapton etc...
Also Kayla the Stage 3 which as you know is one of those pedals that once you turn on you will never want to turn it off. So it will make better whatever else you do, that is what I made it to do. On the other hand the Rangemaster style lead booster I described above is meant for solos and stand out riffs and will also give you extra sustain and add some grit to your tone.
I also use NOS OC44 Germanium transistors for maximum tone!
Like I said try your amp options first!
I just wanted to let you know what I have available as additional options!
And as you already know I am quite affordable and my build quality rivals those Boutique Pedal companies I won't name who charge way too much!
Thanks as always Kayla!
PS: I actually have one on hand right now if you want to try it before it ends up being sold which is usually pretty quick.
I hope that helps!
Barry!
The Stage 3 is pretty much designed to find the sweet spot and be left on. It is a post gain only type of boost and not really meant exclusively for lead tones but as an overall Super Tone Booster for no matter what it is that you are doing so you are using it in the manner which I would recommend.
If you are looking for a Lead boost then I would first recommend what the other guy told you about using what you have available in your amp.
If that does not cut it which I think it will I could build you a Rangemaster type pedal to use as a Lead Booster which has been a very useful tool for many of the greats from Eric Clapton to Ritchie Blackmore to Brian May to Black Sabbath to Iron Maiden! And many, many more in between.
When I make my Rangemasters for customers I build them with a 3 position tone switch so that you have all the options!
1. A Full Range Boost nice for Sabbath tones among others.
2. A Treble Boost - Great for cutting through the Drums ala Brian May and many others!
3. Mid Hump - Also great for cutting through the mix but not as bright. Ala Eric Clapton etc...
Also Kayla the Stage 3 which as you know is one of those pedals that once you turn on you will never want to turn it off. So it will make better whatever else you do, that is what I made it to do. On the other hand the Rangemaster style lead booster I described above is meant for solos and stand out riffs and will also give you extra sustain and add some grit to your tone.
I also use NOS OC44 Germanium transistors for maximum tone!
Like I said try your amp options first!
I just wanted to let you know what I have available as additional options!
And as you already know I am quite affordable and my build quality rivals those Boutique Pedal companies I won't name who charge way too much!
Thanks as always Kayla!
PS: I actually have one on hand right now if you want to try it before it ends up being sold which is usually pretty quick.
I hope that helps!
Barry!
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I use a Digital Modeling amp. Sounds great. I also use a stage 3 and a Boss dynamic wah. I use the dynamic wah on my leads. It sounds incredible to me. Goto my website and listen to the song called "The Path" and that would be the wah pedal on my leads in there. www.soundclick.com/thedelve let me know if you like the sound.....
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Barry, you are sooo right about not wantin to unplug the stage 3. its got such a great sound to it.
I did plug in my footswitch and mess with it and my lord that thing is louder than i ever thought it was. i like the running straight through the stage 3 - and i dont know if i need a boost - cause i dont wanna lose the sound of the stage 3. i could just be dumb too, thats always a possibility.
thanks everyone!
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I did plug in my footswitch and mess with it and my lord that thing is louder than i ever thought it was. i like the running straight through the stage 3 - and i dont know if i need a boost - cause i dont wanna lose the sound of the stage 3. i could just be dumb too, thats always a possibility.
thanks everyone!
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I sell the Bardel Ultra Drive for $99.
Those who have tried one (Felix Kos owns one) can attest to there tone and usefulness! This is much more than a Tubescreamer hand wired with all the best components and with the best mods. I believe it will out perform any Tubescreamer but that of course is subjective!
I will hand build one for you for only $99
Just an option for you!
Barry
Those who have tried one (Felix Kos owns one) can attest to there tone and usefulness! This is much more than a Tubescreamer hand wired with all the best components and with the best mods. I believe it will out perform any Tubescreamer but that of course is subjective!
I will hand build one for you for only $99
Just an option for you!
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About 3 pages worth.
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PM Sentmy7of9 wrote:I am a local Altoona Guy!
Did you see all these reviews? http://www.rockpage.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=23991
About 3 pages worth.
Thanks for the tip. I have been researching a lot on eBoy and YourTube.shell_shooter wrote:Just about every pedal manufacture out there makes a blues overdrive pedal to get a idea go to ebay and search blues overdrive pedal find one in your price range then go to youtube and look it up and listen and make you choice
I am going to try the Ultra. Hopefully I can try, live, before I buy.
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definitely go try out his pedals! the stage 3 i was talkin about in my earlier posts was built by barry and its the best thing since sliced breadmy7of9 wrote:Thank you for that support! It is most appreciated and Yes you can try before you buy! Through a Fender Twin if you wish!! I think you will be very pleased!
lol. i love it. good luck!
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One thing to keep in mind that your guitar sound is perceived differently when playing with a band live vs practicing by yourself at home.
Typically you need some more mids and highs to cut through when playing with a full band so you can hear yourself. When you have this same sound at home, it sounds overly harsh and edgey. You have no other background sound to compete with.
So my point is that you may find that you need a little more edge when you play with a band versus practicing solo at home.
Typically you need some more mids and highs to cut through when playing with a full band so you can hear yourself. When you have this same sound at home, it sounds overly harsh and edgey. You have no other background sound to compete with.
So my point is that you may find that you need a little more edge when you play with a band versus practicing solo at home.