Attention Bands : Theres a new scam going around BEWARE!

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Attention Bands : Theres a new scam going around BEWARE!

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Like the title states there is a new scam going around aimed at bands and since I was recently almost duped by it I felt I should let others know about it. Let me start from the beginning.

I received an email though my bands bookings email address from a guy looking to book a band for 2 shows, his wedding and a birthday party. He stated in his email that he knew about the band though a friend of his but didnt mention his friends name. The show was to be in scranton, pa which is about 4 hours from where we are. He gave me an address but no phone number for the venue or name. Not thinking about the lack of info he gave me I sent him a price quote and asked him about the venue name, phone number, his friends name, etc... I gave him my mailing address and phone number in the first email. He also told me he would like a comedian booked for the shows and asked me if I could take care of that for him and let me know what the comedians fees would be and he would include them in the payment. Which I did.

He responded back the next day saying that the price I quoted him for the 2 shows was fine and to go ahead and book the dates. He said he would send me a money order with the payment from Spain. Seeing the word Spain sent up a red flag but I still didnt think too much of it. I figured I would just book the dates, wait for the payment and go from there. At first I was worried about driving the whole way to Scranton to play a show and it be bogus or not get paid but being that he said he was sending me the money first that made it seem more legit to me. He failed to answer any of the questions I had asked him in my email though and hadnt given me his phone number either.

The next day I came home from work to get a phone message from the guy. He had a very strong Indian accent that I couldnt even understand for the most part. From what I could make out he said that he had mailed the money order and we were good for both shows. I checked my caller Id hoping to get his phone number but it came up as unknown caller.

Once again the next day there was a message on my answering machine from him saying that the payment should be to me in a few days and that he wanted to make phone contact with me which honestly I wasnt really looking forward to doing since i couldnt understand him at all. I emailed him back saying that the best thing to do would be to contact me by email because i work crazy hours. At this point I started to worry that this is a bs deal with the guy and didnt expect to receive any payment.

Within a few days i got the mail and in it is an envelope that was post marked from spain and had the guys name and address on it. His home address was listed in Georgia. So now i'm like wtf. He's from georgia, he's in Spain right now, he has a strong indian accent, and hes getting married in Scranton, PA in the middle of winter in a few weeks. I opened up the envelope to discover 3 money orders each for double the amount that i quoted him for one show. So in total he had sent me 6 times as much money as what my quote was even including the comedians fees. On my answering machine is another message from the guy. He says that i should have received the payment today and that he had sent me more money then i quoted him because he was going to book us for another show but he didnt give a date. He instructed me to deposit the money in my account and that he would get back in contact with me with more info.

Now i'm a little confused but i figure i got the money i'll deposit it and let it sit for a few days and if the money orders clear then its gotta be legit. So i waited a couple days then put the money in the bank. They took the money orders no problem and i'm walking out of the bank with a big smile because theres a nice chunk of change in my bank account that wasnt there prior :D That was last friday 1/16. I checked my bank account online the next day and it stated that the deposit was in my account.

A few days prior because i was getting tired of being the middle man between the comedian and the guy i gave them each others contact info. anyways, out of the blue yesterday the comedian contacts me and says hes not doing either show but he didnt say why. The same day i get another call from the guy saying that he is having financial trouble and that he was canceling all the gigs except the wedding on the 31st. He would like me to send him back the money except for what the cost would be for one show and that he would be back in touch with me with more information about it. I emailed him back and said that i was sorry to hear that and that i would gladly send him the money back. I was bummed about losing the shows but kinda relieved that i didnt have to go though this hassle for all of the shows. I figured that i would just send him a money order to his home in georgia or give him a check at the wedding show.

A few hours later i get an email from him saying that he would like me to send him the money back via western union asap to a totally different guys name in a county called Latvia. He went on to say that he was having medical problems and that i was sending the money directly to his doctor and that the war in the country caused the banks to be closed and he would not be able to get the money him self. Over and over again he stated he needed it done asap. I wasnt real happy about having to do this and worried that this was a scam. I have never dealt with western union before so i figured i would get on there website to see what it would cost to wire the money to that country and how you do it. So i'm on there reading and over and over again on the site there are warnings about not sending money to people you dont know. So finally i clicked on the help tab and there was a section on receiving a payment for goods or services that is more then the amount that was quoted. I was gonna post what the site said but its a stupid pdf so i cant copy and paste it. It basically stated that there is a common scam where people will pay for goods/services with a huge overpayment with a money order or cashiers check and tell you to cash or deposit the payment. Then demand that the overpayment was a mistake and then request the extra money be wired back quickly. It went on to say that the money order or cashiers check will come back as a fraud and the money will be removed from your account even if you have spent it. So if you take cash out to pay them or use a credit card to wire the money your screwed. There was a number on there site that it said to call if you thought you were being scammed. So i wrote that down and didnt do anything else.

This all went down tonight while i was watching the football games. Then at 1am this morning the phone rang but i just let the answering machine get it. It was another guy with a deeper indian accent but he said he was the guy that i had been talking to all along but it definitely wasnt him. He reiterated all the info that was stated in the email about western union and to please hurry because he was in big financial trouble.

So now i'm sitting here at 2am on monday morning with work in a few hours worrying about what the hell to do. I still have all the money in my bank account and am scheduled to do a gig for the guy in 2 weeks. I think i am just gonna let the money sit in my account for at least a few more days and use some bs excuse to him to buy me a few days until i see if the money comes back as being fraudulent before i send him any of it. I posted this as a warning and also as a comment/suggestion topic so any thoughts you have would help. I am going to call western union tomorrow and explain the situation to them and see what they tell me to do. I hope they are open since its a holiday. I will keep you posted on whats going down. Sorry if there is some bad grammar or spelling.
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Hmmm, i recieved an email asking us to play a birthday party in Philly,

Hello Friend,
I am writing to invite your band to come and perform in my birthday party on 02/28 and if you are not available on that day, it can still be done on the next day which is Sunday 03/01. let me know if your band is available on any of those days, and I’ll like you to email me the numbers I can reach you at.

The gig will be hold in Phily,PA.

I’ll appreciate your response as soon as you receive this message.

Regards,

Rod.

I emailed back saying we were booked already which we were and asked how he heard of us, no reply.

Definite scam.
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Did it look like this? When I got this I was like"what the hell,we're not a tribute band",haha.It looked kinda "wrong" so I just ignored it.

From: Rod Hooper <rod21239>
Subject: PA GIG!
Date: Wednesday, December 31, 2008, 11:59 AM

Hello

I am writing to invite you to my wedding as a band, the party is going to be hold in Newtown, PA.

The date of the party is 01/31/09, and you will be performing in the presence of 150 guests. And after then, I’ll be celebrating my birthday on 02/07/09, and I’ll like to know if your band is available to come and perform on those days.

The gig will be an indoor event, and it’s going to be in the evening, the gig will start at 7:PM and your band will start to perform as from 7:30PM, if your band know of any comedian or magician around, I’ll like you to come with one, and include his performance fee.

Less I forget, I’ll like to know the amount it’s going to cost to have your band on that day, I was told about your band by a friend of mine, he’ll be at the venue on the show day, and you’ll be able to thank him for spreading good news about your band.

This is just what I think I should let you know about the gig, and feel free to ask me any other question you may have

I’ll wait to read from you as soon as you receive this mail, so that we’ll proceed with what to do next.



Here’s the venue address,

861 Newtown-Yardley Road
Newtown, PA

Do include your phone numbers in the next mail, and the amount it’s going to cost me to have your band on that day.



Happy New Year in Advance,



Rod.

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Beat me to it Scott! I was just looking for the email and you posted it.
Yeah, it looks to be a definite scam! Hopefully you can get this settled.
My parents were scammed in a similar way 7 years ago. They were told they had won a Canadian Lottery and money needed to be sent to pay the taxes on it. The guy called them almost everyday and seemed real personable and genuine. Needless to say they were ripped off almost $3,000 and when the check came back cleared it was cashed in Tel Aviv. The Attorney General said this is how terrorists are getting money to fund themselves. Hopefully no one else fell for this band scam in our area. RAT BASTARDS!!!! :twisted:
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RAT BASTARDS-hahahahaha!!! I haven't heard that in a while! :D :D
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So, let me see if I understand this. It's apparent that there was never a real 'gig' for you to play. And you have a scam artist's money in an account that he can't touch (unless you do a Western Union wire transfer). And if you kept the money, the only thing he can do is come over from India (or Latvia or wherever he is) and attempt to hunt you down based on your address???

If these guys make a living scamming people, then there should be no problem returning the favor and keeping this money. Normally my conscience would get to me afterwards, but in this case, I don't think it would bother me keeping money that didn't belong to me since it was from a criminal who deserved it even less!
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I got the Newton one.
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I got invited to play with the Hurricanes in Philly! Regretfully, I couldn't do the gig either. :wink: He must have improved his story later because he then asked me if he can purchase tshirts or cds, and was very insistent about it. I imagine he'd be sending me an overpayment on that too if I let him.
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Scam....

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"RtL" got the same one from "Newtown"... The screwy thing about it is we kinda know people out that way. So we contacted them and they were like "huh??"... Wasn't anyone we know, nor us... So we just politely declined the offer. It was to good/wierd to be true... :)
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Call your bank asap and let them know whats up, or you are gonna be charged for the "bad" money in your account.
Be careful what you spend as well.
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Did anyone see this?
http://rockpage.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=21168

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We got the Newton one as well.
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MOONDOGGY wrote:So, let me see if I understand this. It's apparent that there was never a real 'gig' for you to play. And you have a scam artist's money in an account that he can't touch (unless you do a Western Union wire transfer). And if you kept the money, the only thing he can do is come over from India (or Latvia or wherever he is) and attempt to hunt you down based on your address???

If these guys make a living scamming people, then there should be no problem returning the favor and keeping this money. Normally my conscience would get to me afterwards, but in this case, I don't think it would bother me keeping money that didn't belong to me since it was from a criminal who deserved it even less!
There is no money. :wink:

Apparently, his bank was fooled by bogus money orders.
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I don't get how there could be a bogus MO. MOs have to be paid in full before they are printed out. If he cashed it in, it should be untouchable money so long as no one gets his account number. It wouldn't be any different if he cashed in the MO and got actual cash back instead of putting it directly in his account, right? It's not like MOs need authorization from the sender for them to be cashed in. And you can't cancel a MO after it's been cashed.

Am I missing something?
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I got the same email from Rod! Replied with TO FAR! and never heard back. I would almost think that they had used this site to get the email address because the email address that i have attached here is the only place that i have that email address listed. Strange!
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MOONDOGGY wrote:I don't get how there could be a bogus MO. MOs have to be paid in full before they are printed out. If he cashed it in, it should be untouchable money so long as no one gets his account number. It wouldn't be any different if he cashed in the MO and got actual cash back instead of putting it directly in his account, right? It's not like MOs need authorization from the sender for them to be cashed in. And you can't cancel a MO after it's been cashed.

Am I missing something?
The money orders are fakes. The bank can't tell a good MO from a counterfeit one until all of the avenues are exhausted. This especially holds true if a MO is from out of the country. A legit foreign MO may take a week or so to clear, but it can take a lot longer for a fake one to be detected.
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You are right Dan, but it appears that these are counterfit or stolen M.O.'s from what I gather.
It kinda doesn't make sense to me because a M.O. is supposed to be "good money" as opposed to a check and some other payment methods, like an E-Check (sometimes).

An Indian guy from Georgia, getting married in Scranton,PA. :lol:

Can I use a lifeline on this?....ok, I like to poll the audience.... :lol:
I can see how it kind of made you believe it was legit to an extent, but there were too many wtf's in his story.
But I would definitly get ahold of your bank and see what they think about it.
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Ron, I see what you mean. That has to be the only logical explanation concerning the MO.
You posted faster than I did...now I feel stupid. :cry:
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For anyone else who ever gets a scam letter like this, check out 419 eaters They have instructions on how to give scammers the run around, thereby wasting their time and resources. Never send them any money, don't cash anything they send you and keep baiting THEM in.
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here's some info on the false money orders:

http://fraudwar.blogspot.com/2008/06/fr ... ygram.html

Definitely call your Bank ASAP! You are liable for the amount once it comes back as fake.
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I get it now! Even if the dirty money isn't all yours, at least you're still in good enough to give the guy the run-around. I like the idea of messing with him. Say you never got the MOs and you need more!
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Just found this, it's happening everywhere...Collin must sure get around!
http://consumerist.com/5133337/tribute- ... fake-check
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We got the same email from Rod in Philly, told him no thanks and he said he wanted some of our shirts too and he'd contact me directly for some.

Thanks for the heads up.
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I received a similar email a few weeks back but I knew something was up. The author had horrible grammar and a retarded story. I played with the guy for a few days but eventually he caught on. This is a pretty common scam on Craigslist.com, it's a shame it's spreading to Rockpage though.

Call your bank for sure! Good luck.
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Post by felix'apprentice »

more than likely the money orders are fake, my bro got scammed into this once and .. i took one look at the money orders and realized they were fake - they spelled bank wrong .. ya it said BANC. and money orders have to have a water mark, and none of his did.
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