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While on the hunt for the ever elusive cool hat last Friday, I found myself in Keith's Country. Naturally, after procuring said hat, I had to venture to the other side of the store. There, the Deathmaster said, "That bass is pretty nice up there." It was a Squier Jazz. Hmm, I have a Squier P-bass that I bought when I was about 17. The neck went screwy after a few months of owning it. It was a nice enough looking instrument, pure white, no pickguard. It had a cool fretboard that almost looked like how they would varnish Rickenbackers, except it looked to be more ebony than rosewood. It turns out that it's ebonol, a type of synthetic ebony substitute.

I plugged it in, and was blown away by what a nice bass it was for three bones. I was ready to pull out the check book that night, but I like to think about these types of purchases. I went down today after school, and bluegrass aficionado, Johnny "Songsmith" Stevens hooked me up in the most professional of manners.

Here's a photo of the bass. This isn't my particular bass, as I haven't been able to get my camera out yet.

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Intial thoughts:

Fit and Finish: I've always said that there is something understated about pure white instruments. I like the look of no pickguard. It gives it a modern flavor. The bass kind of reminds me of the Heavy Metal series put out by Fender in the 80s. I also dig the matching headstock. It really is great looking in person. The maple neck is almost as white as the body. Of course, the ebonol fretboard is great to look at. Plus, I dig the look of no inlays. I prefer diamond or shark fin inlays, but I'd rather have no inlays than dot inlays.

The fretwork seems to be pretty good from what I've experienced so far. I can't tell yet if any frets need leveled (though it doesn't appear so).

Electronics: This bass is not a traditional sounding J. The pickups are very EMG-like. I'd go as far as saying the bass is Spectorish. The tone is very pianoesque. This bass was definitely made for slapping and pick playing in mind. Some may say that it's a sterile sounding bass, but I personally like hifi bass equipment. The bottom-end is really tight and the mids are punchy. The preamp is very musical, though I do notice some slight hum when the EQ pots are boosted the whole way. This probably won't be much of a problem, as I usually run things flat on a gig. Some 60-cycle hum is to be expected from a Jazz Bass. It has a "slap switch," which seems to be some sort of mid-shelving control or something. With it engaged, the bass has a full, gutsy sound. With it turned the other way, it has a thinner sound. This seems like it would be a nice feature for passages in songs that one may be doing some chordal work in. It's not loaded with Barts and an Aguilar preamp, but for a $300 bass, the electronics package is very impressive. It's obviously that this bass will have no trouble cutting through a mix.

Playability: The string spacing is 19mm at the 12th fret. This has much wider spacing than a traditional Jazz. It took me a little while to get use to, but now I like it. Slapping is a breeze, and I think that my playing is cleaner on this than on my Carvin. The thing that really sold me was the tightness and openness of the B string. The B's better than the Bs that I've played on some $1000+ basses. Unfortunately, I probably won't be gigging this bass for two weeks, because it definitely does need a setup. There's some bow in the neck and the intonation is definitely off on some spots of the neck. The neck itself seems to be very good. It just needs a truss rod adjustment. I may try to set the intonation real quick before I get it down to Terry's at Guitars 'n Stuff, just so I can try it on some gigs.

All in all, I've been impressed so far with this bass. Obviously, time will tell whether it's reliable; but it's definitely the best Squier I've ever played and is by far the best bass in its price range that I've played so far. It's not as fancy as some of the more expensive instruments, but it definitely seems like it will get the job done. I still need to gig-test it for a while to make an objective decision about it, but these are just my initial reactions so far. It seems like it's becoming easier and easier to find affordable instruments of quality that you can actually gig with and sound good on.
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That is really nice looking, Paul.
You're right about the color, it's very understated indeed.
I've never heard of an ebanol fretboard before, how does it feel?
I wonder if it is a hard material or not? You want me to give it a Sheenan scallop for ya? lol

I'm not sure if I could get used to no fret markers, though. I'd imagine that would be tough to get used to. What scale is that?

Sounds to me like you got an excellent deal on a 5 string, and after a setup you will have a fine little white bitch to slap the shit out of on stage.

And Johnny got him some Fender points out of the deal.

Hopefully it holds up to your expectations, Paul.
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I played on a Squier P-bass Special 5 string briefly and was impressed with the quality for an inexpensive bass. I own a 72' P-bass (4 string),
and tonally the Squier wasn't far off.
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Weren't you just there oogling a Schecter a few weeks ago? Was it Schecter? I can't remember, but then I was a horrible gf, anyway.
The Squier sounds great, and its beautiful...agree about the color; I hope it works out well.
Will this be a full-time gigging bass (provided it stands up well on the road) or just a back-up?
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I've never heard of an ebanol fretboard before, how does it feel?
I wonder if it is a hard material or not?
I never heard of it until now either, Joe. It has a very nice feel, smooth and fast. From what I understand, it won't scar up from roundwound strings. It almost looks like a grand piano in person.
I'm not sure if I could get used to no fret markers, though. I'd imagine that would be tough to get used to. What scale is that?
It does have fret markers on top of the neck. It just doesn't have any inlays on the fretbord. I once played a Dillion Paul Reed Smith copy guitar that had a huge dragon inlay across the fretboard, and that really screwed me up. I'm sure I would have gotten use to it though if I played the guitar long enough.

It's a 34 inch scale bass.

After playing it some today before leaving for work, I realized that it won't take much to set it up. The truss rod only needs a twist or two and the intonation isn't that bad. I may reset the intonation if I get a chance between today and the gig tomorrow. I want to play it in a live situation a little bit before I take it down to Terry's.

I'm buying it primarily as a backup to my LB75, but I still wanted an instrument that would sound good in a live situation. This is a bass that would definitely be worth dropping a set of Barts or EMGs in.

And you meet all kinds of cool chicks when you gig more than twice every three years. ;)
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I think ebanol is a fairly new material, at least in the realm of instrument fingerboards. I've never owned an instrument with an ebanol fingerboard, but I have played a couple. I know the vintage modified squier fretless (jaco styled) has an ebanol fingerboard, and the cort curbow basses do as well. Possibly some ibanez basses.

As far as feel goes, I couldn't tell you. I never notice things like that, and I don't understand why other people do either. Why are your fingers touching the fingerboard people? I can't tell a difference in fingerboard feel from any of my maple or rosewood boards, or my rick (finished rosewood)

The buzz is that ebanol is a synthetic replacement for ebony, so I'd have to assume its close to that. Ebony is a very sturdy wood. My 5 string fretless has an ebony fingerboard, and even though its like 25 years old, and has had roundwound strings on it at least as long as I've owned it, it has only very minor marks.

I've played lots of basses without any fretboard inlays. Its not something I even notice. I never see the front of my fretboard while playing. Thats what the side markers are for. I guess playing an unlined fretless will train you to do that, since there's nothing there to see anyway.

Paul, I'm glad you got that bass. Its so cool looking, a really successful combination of old and new styles. I bet it will look awesome under stage lighting. I already checked and they don't make one in a 4 string :(

By the way, this marks my first successful "hey paul, you should buy this" suggestion. Of course most of those suggestions are like $2500, and really bizzare looking.

I tried to convince him to buy this, but he wasn't having it.

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I can defintely tell a difference in feel between rosewood and ebony. I can't tell a huge different between the feel of ebony and maple, but there's a much bigger tonal difference to my ears between ebony and maple than ebony and rosewood.

You definitely do give some esoteric bass suggestions, Mitch. I'm not into the whole bizarre instrument thing (with the excpetion being Ritter ;) ). I like basses that are utilitarian. I don't really dig a lot of the highly figured and spalted tops that are on some of the boutique basses. If other people dig them, that's definitely cool though. It's just not my thing. When you get down to it, I'm a Jazz Bass kind of guy. I go for that style of body and feel. I like a bass that could be played on a blues gig one night, a rock gig the next night, and a country gig the night after that and still fit in all of those situations both sound-wise and comestically. I also like basses that have more of the Spector/Warwick/Schecter Stiletto style of body to them.
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I feel the same way. I don't think I could ever be without a Fender in my collection. Utilitarian is exactly what I want my basses to be. I guess I'm gonna have to find someone else to try to convince to buy weird basses I find.

I tried to convince Joe to buy a double necked headless 5 string/fretless 4 string bass the other day just because it was left handed, ha ha ha.

By the way, I can obviously feel the difference between different types of wood. I just can't tell while playing. The only real difference I notice is the look. I prefer the look of the maple board.
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Paul, you are already thinking about modding it. I like your style and approach.
Almost every new guitar that I bought, I had it torn apart within 5 minutes after getting it home.

Factory setups suck ass for sure. Makes you wonder if Hellen Keller was the QA at that factory.

White is the best color, no doubt about it. Sounds to me like you got a good deal there.
Mitch, you are a salesman, you actually had me thinking about that double neck bass.


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Yeah, guitars and basses are a lot like Harleys: You can't truly call them yours until you mod them a little. Besides, I generally like to switch out stock J pickups for hum-cancelling pickups, because any and all extra noise from an instrument or a rig drives me crazy. I've been meaning to drop a set of Barts in my Carvin for a while, but I haven't gotten around to it yet.
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Are Bartolini's passive or active?

Yeah most stock pickups suck anyway, so I hear you there.
Even most upper end guitars always have features that I don't like, so I guess it's a fair trade most times.
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Barts are passive, but I do think that they have an active line. EMG has both active and passive pickups for bass. The Hz pickups that come stock in Schecter Stilettos are from EMG's passive line.

I did a little bit of an intonation tweak when I got home, and I've gotten it pretty close. It should be good enough to use for at least a little while tomorrow night. I really don't dig the stock strings that they put on this. They kind of have that cheap metal string feel and sound to them. So I can't wait to rip them off and put a set of DRs on. The Black Beauties are going to look really nice against the ebanol fretboard and white body.
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Ebanol and Ivory, Fuckin' a man!

I saw the Bart's active pups they look really cool.
Not much for guitars unless you want a classic rock sound, but hey nothin' wrong with that.

The EMG Hz's are the biggest pieces of shit IMO. I absolutely hate them.
I put them in the same category as the Duncan Designed, and some the pickups that DiMarzio designed w/ some factories for their guitars.

So is this your only 5 string?
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metalchurch wrote:
So is this your only 5 string?
No, I started playing five strings in about 2000, and haven't looked back. This is my fourth fiver. We do music in a lot of different tunings - all the way down to C# - and I like being able to play the whole gig with one bass (though I always have a backup with me). Plus, I'm a bass player, so I think in 4ths. I don't really like drop tunings for bass.
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MeYatch wrote:I think ebanol is a fairly new material, at least in the realm of instrument fingerboards. I've never owned an instrument with an ebanol fingerboard, but I have played a couple. I know the vintage modified squier fretless (jaco styled) has an ebanol fingerboard, and the cort curbow basses do as well. Possibly some ibanez basses.

As far as feel goes, I couldn't tell you. I never notice things like that, and I don't understand why other people do either. Why are your fingers touching the fingerboard people? I can't tell a difference in fingerboard feel from any of my maple or rosewood boards, or my rick (finished rosewood)

The buzz is that ebanol is a synthetic replacement for ebony, so I'd have to assume its close to that. Ebony is a very sturdy wood. My 5 string fretless has an ebony fingerboard, and even though its like 25 years old, and has had roundwound strings on it at least as long as I've owned it, it has only very minor marks.

I've played lots of basses without any fretboard inlays. Its not something I even notice. I never see the front of my fretboard while playing. Thats what the side markers are for. I guess playing an unlined fretless will train you to do that, since there's nothing there to see anyway.

Paul, I'm glad you got that bass. Its so cool looking, a really successful combination of old and new styles. I bet it will look awesome under stage lighting. I already checked and they don't make one in a 4 string :(

By the way, this marks my first successful "hey paul, you should buy this" suggestion. Of course most of those suggestions are like $2500, and really bizzare looking.

I tried to convince him to buy this, but he wasn't having it.

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Is that the LA Kidwell bass from BassNW? I saw that a few weeks ago, and I must say, that's a sharp little number. They're one of the first exotic bass companies that used more 3-D thinking and experimenting w/ different contouring. Check out the Huet 5 string bass that's listed on Ebay too. It's similar, so if you like this Kidwell, you'll like the Huet (but the Huet is fretted).
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that is the Kidwell from bass northwest. I agree it certainly is very unique looking, and it has a cool vibe if you are in to that sort of thing. Its not really my bag, but I'd definately want to check it out if there was one around here.
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The Kidwell's pretty, but I'm afraid I'd have one of the horns busted off it in no time at all. Then I'd cry.


Oh, and for the record, Fender discontinued the Fender points thing last year (Fenderbucks). If I sell you something, it's because I think it's the best tool for the job. I got to sit down with Paul's new bass literally minutes before he bought it, and thought it was a hell of a deal for a shade over $300. My first real playable bass was an '85 Jap Squier P-Bass, and I still regret selling it years ago... it was the best factory setup EVER, so flat and zero buzz on the neck. Of course, it was blind luck, I've never seen one that tight since. The Squiers are pretty much like Epiphones in that respect: the mechanics aren't bad, but you have to be vigilant on the fit , finish and setup. Usually, it's something like rough fret edges or a truss-rod adjustment (which differs from player to player anyway). For a veteran player, either could be a good, inexpensive choice, but I can tell you: Don't buy one online. I've played two of the exact same models (down to the color) and they sounded substantially different. You won't know what you're getting.
So anyway, I don't make anything other than an hourly wage for selling a certain guitar, other than the opportunity to hang out with musicians telling stories. And I do that a lot. :wink: ------->JMS
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I didn't know that they discontinued the Fender thing. I remember Tom was saying something about it one time.
You guys are all very cool in there, I always enjoy my visits whether I buy something or not, every time I go to WalMart, I always stop in to say hi.
I've had my eye on the King V w/ the Blue Ghost Flames, it calls my name every time I walk in there.

I still never met you yet, I guess I just stop in on your days off or something?
Did you get any of the Krispy Kreme's that I dropped off there about a month ago?

I have been thinking about dropping off an app for something to do this winter. What a crew that would be!

Paul, once you give this thing the endurance test, you'll have to let us know how it went.
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songsmith wrote: Don't buy one online. I've played two of the exact same models (down to the color) and they sounded substantially different. You won't know what you're getting.
That's the reason why I made it a point to buy that particular bass that I had played in the store. I know that Squier's QC isn't as consistent as other companys' QC - and even so, from what I understand, real Fenders are sometimes spotty. You can definitely tell that you're holding a quality instrument though when you pick it up. It has that solid feel that higher-end instruments have. It is heavy though. It's about 10 lbs. of Basswood and Maple. My Carvin's about 7 lbs. of Alder, Maple, and Koa. I haven't had a strap on it yet, so I'll see if it balances alright tonight. I've never really played a Jazz-styled bass though that had a lot of neck dive.
Paul, once you give this thing the endurance test, you'll have to let us know how it went.
I think I have the intonation zeroed in enough to be giggable. I'm thinking about using it for a set tonight. I've played it through my little practice combo, but I haven't had a chance yet to play it through my big rig. My rig's pretty transparent, so it should give a pretty good representation of the bass's intrinsic timbre.

In related news, old sKool's also debuting a new guitar tonight. He's going to be using an old Charvel 750XL that he had Big Head Paul paint. He just got it back from Terry's this week after a setup. I haven't seen it yet, nor do I know what kind of finish he had done on it, so I'm looking forward to that too!
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Once you hook it up to your rig, then you will know if it holds up to Excalibur or not. That's the true test there.

That's funny Paul, I know about Kenny's guitar and you don't!! haha
Must be a Lack of Communication within your band haha!

I'll send you all the info and pictures in a PM.

Just kidding Kenny. You've been wanting to do that project for a while now, that thing is gonna kill on stage. BigHeadPaul is the man for sure.
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metalchurch wrote: That's funny Paul, I know about Kenny's guitar and you don't!! haha
Must be a Lack of Communication within your band haha!
LOL Ken tried to keep it a secret until a few weeks ago when Paul's singer was at a gig and let it slip out in front of me.
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Alright, I played this on the gig this past Saturday. The intonation is still a little off, so I didn't use it for as long as I would have liked, but it was enough to get a feel for it in a live situation.

First thing I noticed was that the preamp on this thing has a lot of gain. With my input gain set around 9:30 and the gain on my PLX1602 (bridged) at about three clicks, I already knew that I would be too loud for the FOH. I'll have to remember that, because my Bmax is notorious for having ample amounts of gain, and I can clip a soundboard very easily. I have to run low stage volume at this venue, so I couldn't let it rip.

With the slap-switch engaged, I got a really fat low/low-mid sound, similar to a Stingray. I boosted the mids to give myself some more note definition. My Carvin has a lot of natural highs (which I think may be because of the alder), so I EQed in some more highs for the Jazz. The tone was very full-bodied when playing finger style. Again, slapping sounded excellent. I would have liked to have had a more full-bodied sound when using a pick, but if I pick closer to the middle (I pick more towards the bridge), this may be not be an issue. One thing that pleasantly surprised me is that the bass is nowhere near as noisy in a live situation than I thought it may have been. I didn't have a chance to see how much of an issue 60-cycle hum would be with the pickups soloed. I was able to catch some of what was going out through the FOH during one of the songs, and I really dug what I was hearing. My esteemed collegue and fellow lover of all things in the lower register, Mr. Kent, was in the audience - so slightly-sharp intonation withstanding, I'd be interested in his opinion on what he heard.

I still prefer the feel of my other basses over this one. I have another 5-string Jazz with tighter string spacing. I enjoy its string spacing more, but the 19mm of the Squier is still comfortable. One song we do has me literally bouncing an octave between the low G and high G with a small fill, so my hand was a little fatigued after four minutes. Still, the low B was comfortable to play. Hopefully, I'll be able to scoot down to the music store this week to pick up a pair of DRs, get the cheesy stock strings off, then ship this off with old sKool to Terry's this weekend. It won't take much to get this set up nice, and I think that with a new set of strings and the action where I like it, it will be seeing an ample amount of stage time.

Again, I'm really impressed with the electronic package of this bass for its price. With the good construction, I think that it's definitely a contender for some high-grade pickups. So I think that it's eventually going to get Bartified. ;)

They've been talking about these instruments over at Talkbass, so if anyone's interest is piqued, here's some more reading for you.

http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showthread.php?t=374320

http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showthrea ... ght=squier

http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showthread.php?t=338398
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You should definitely change those pups.
Do you use the same brand strings on all of your basses?

I use 9-42 D'addario's on two of mine, and 8-38 GHS on my other one.
I know to me anyway, I can tell a difference between brands, some sound better, and some last longer. I generally change my strings every 2-3 weeks and 3 weeks is pushing it. As soon as they lose their 'tin' like sound that's when it's time to go.

How long do you play your bass before changing out?
I'm not certain, but I believe that bass can go like 2 or 3 for every 1 guitar string change.
I know that the amount of playing time is a factor, if not the #1.
Care / cleaning is a close 2nd.
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Currently, I have different brands of strings on my basses, but I only really used two basses prior to getting this J, my Carvin LB75 and an SX Jazz copy, which with a set of Bartolinis, actually is a nice instrument (I'd put it up against a MIM Fender).

With that said, I am planning on standardizing the strings on all of my basses...which leads me to you're second question and another point I've been thinking. LOL

Every bass player has his or her own tastes on how often they like to switch out strings. I've met players who leave them on for years - James Jamerson's strings were like 10 years old - and I've met players who switch them out quite often. I believe that Adam Zimmer was changing his strings every gig when he was playing in Stept On. Is that true Adam? I know you're out there in Rockpage land? LOL I generally like to change out my strings every 5 to 6 gigs. After about six gigs, they start to lose their zing, and since the windings are coming loose, the bottom-end is not tight enough for my taste. I like new strings, because they already have all of the instrinic tonal properties that I like. I learned quite a while ago that it's much easier to EQ out the frequencies that I don't like than it is to try and boost something that's not already there in the first place.

I've used DR coated strings off and on, because they generally last longer than traditional strings and only cost a few more dollars. They're a very quality string, but I am a die-hard Dean Markley Blue Steel lover. I've switched back to the Markleys a number of times, and when I throw them on and do that soundcheck with a new set, I get that excited feeling in my stomach. I honestly don't know how I managed to play without them. The Markley's have a full-tonal spectrum that transitions smoothly through all of the frequencies. With the DRs, I notice that after a while, they tend to lose something between 500 - 750 hz, which results in muddy low-mids, this real nasally sound in the high mids, and clicky highs that sound like their "disconnected" from the rest of the tonal spectrum. The Markleys have, by far, the tighest bottom from any string I've ever used. It's like when you see a band playing through a quality PA, and the kick drum just has that tight, focused sound, with just the right amount of gate and compression. Plus, the Markleys have sustain for days.

Anyways, I'm getting long-winded here (bassist_25 get longwinded? I've never heard of that!). My point is that I'm not made of money; I like the sound of fresh strings; I don't think that Dean Markley is going to give some dude in Central Pa playing the local club circuit a string endorsement. LOL A while back, I looked into buying Blue Steels in bulk. It would cost a little over $300 to get like twentyfive five-string packs. I'm thinking that if I did that, I'd have strings that would last me for the entire year, and it would be easy to keep strings on all of my primary instruments. It would be a little bit of an investment, but it would save money in the longrun. Plus, I wouldn't have to deal having to make my way to the music store two days before a gig because my strings are dead or worry about how long it will take to get a pack of strings from Musiciansfriend. So, I think that I'm going to stop by the music store tomorrow, and pick up a set of Markleys to put on the new J. I'll have Terry set it up with those strings. I'll eventually see if I can order a bulk set. I'll get the other basses setup for Markleys too, and then I'll call it a day.

Wow, I didn't mean to type a freakin' novel about strings. LMAO
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Wow that was alot of info!
I used to buy my strings in bulk, but I always forget to order them until it's too late, and I end up going into the Emporium to stock up.

I want to try a set of those Elixer's to see what they are all about.
One of my main problems has been with the humidity/weather making my strings corrode. I try to wipe them down after I play, but sometimes I forget.

Instrinic, that's the word of the day.
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