Landis' second test reveals...

AtoMikEnRtiA · Post by **AtoMikEnRtiA** » Saturday Aug 05, 2006

He DOPED!

He has been fired from team Phonak and is no longer the Tour de France champion..

I end this with.. this man, is a disgrace!

** No flaming, no bullshit rhetoric, no uneducated psycho babble.. just intellegent topical debate, god damnit **

Hawk · Post by **Hawk** » Saturday Aug 05, 2006

It's a shame. And I am a Landis fan. The French hate the fact that the U.S. have dominated their Tour. They have constantly accused anyone who wins from the US of doping. All the way back to Lamond.

At the same time some Frenchman have been caught doping.

I'd like to believe there is some other reasonable explanation, but it may take years to explain high testosterone levels other than doping.

And who knows if the French managed to taint the samples. I mean, they do hate us winning that bad !

And if he is guilty, I would find him a hero if he would admit it (unlike Bonds).

The pressure to succeed in sports is enormous and the athletes succumb to the pressure, fame , money, etc.

Hey Rob, I hear Virgil Donatti and Portnoy and Peart use doping to enhance performance ! LOL

RobTheDrummer · Post by **RobTheDrummer** » Sunday Aug 06, 2006

I think the French are still full of it! haha

And as far as doping and drumming...

Bill, you need to dope so you can get over whatever sickness you have so I can come hang with you and get some lessons.

MysticDM · Post by **MysticDM** » Sunday Aug 06, 2006

The French are just mad because they cannot win any wars...

edgecrush2003 · Post by **edgecrush2003** » Sunday Aug 06, 2006

Hey George lets Bomb the french for the hell of it. I think they might be hiding something.

Banned · Post by **Banned** » Sunday Aug 06, 2006

How come that in the 8 previous tests there was nothing wrong. Testosterone does not work overnight. You would not take it to give you an instant advantage, it works over time. Floyd thinks something is amiss here, because if he were taking testosterone, the 8 others tests would have shown the high levels.

Banned · Post by **Banned** » Monday Aug 07, 2006

A part of Floyd's responsee in the USA Today:

"He also pointed out that his remarkable comeback performance on Stage 17 — the stage where his positive tests came from — was not an anomaly, but his doping tests were.

"I put in more than 20,000 kilometers of training for the Tour. I won the Tour of California, Paris-Nice and the Tour de Georgia. I was tested eight times at the Tour (de France); four times before that stage and three times after, including three blood tests. Only one came back positive.

"Nobody in their right mind would take testosterone just once; it doesn't work that way."

AtoMikEnRtiA · Post by **AtoMikEnRtiA** » Monday Aug 07, 2006

you know what though.. this is why I feel he's lying..

1) No matter how good you are.. You dont just blow the ENTIRE field out of the water going up a mountain.. you dont do that on your own power - it doesnt happen.. Armstrong did it - but not in the fashion that Landis did.. and to say Landis is a better cyclist than Armstrong is blasphemy..

2) He has 2 piss tests showing testosterone.. now whether thats from jack daniels, or beer, or people rubbing shit on his arms.. I dont know - despite 8 tests before and 3 tests after.. this one showed higher levels.. You can say "you dont take testosterone just once" - no, not if you want longer term effects, but do you honestly think he saw 3 more tests coming after number 8? I highly doubt it..

3) He's had more excuses than days passed since this went down. Every day it's something else.. "I got drunk", "People rubbed shit on my arms", the UCI has a hidden agenda", "I have naturally high testosterone" - if he would have stuck to just 1 story.. I would believe it. Fact is, I highly doubt he's learning this as we do as well.. in what profession do you experience something happening to YOU at the same time the rest of the world does.. That's bullshit. Phonak learned first - then him, then the people. Period.

.. I find it funny, that some of you are the same people that downplay conspiracy theories on here all the time -- but when the American becomes the villian - it's time to strike up the Norwoods Project and every other conspiracy. It's time to face facts..

Floyd Landis.. cheated.

Banned · Post by **Banned** » Monday Aug 07, 2006

I will give an American the doubt every time over the pansy french. They have done this to LeMond, Armstrong and now the 3rd American to win thier major sporting event.

Read the entire article in the USA Today, he answers everyone of your other objections. By the way, it was only 1 piss sample, tested 2 times. And if he did ride that much better that the other riders, 1 day of testosterone would not give you that advantage. Only an amphetimine type substance would give you instant energy, and they did not find any of that.

I say the french fix is in.

Banned · Post by **Banned** » Monday Aug 07, 2006

My gut feeling on this (with no scientific basis whatsoever) is that the high testosterone level is a by-product of some other substance, something they didn't expect to linger in his system that long. Sadly, in so many sports and professions that implement drug testing, it's not a question of will you continue doping, it's a question of how you can dope without getting caught.

It's also possible that Landis was doped, but unaware of it. Whether by one of his coaches looking to give his guy the edge, or some external source looking to sabotage him.

Some sort of French plot seems remote to me. Eliminating Landis still doesn't put a Frenchman on the podium, or even in the top 5. The race was already tainted by the Operación Puerto doping scandal, which knocked out a lot of top riders. Why would the French want to further tarnish the reputation of this event?

AtoMikEnRtiA · Post by **AtoMikEnRtiA** » Monday Aug 07, 2006

Jimi Hatt wrote: Some sort of French plot seems remote to me. Eliminating Landis still doesn't put a Frenchman on the podium, or even in the top 5. The race was already tainted by the Operación Puerto doping scandal, which knocked out a lot of top riders. Why would the French want to further tarnish the reputation of this event?

see this is the main reason I doubt the french did anything (other than my respect for french people despite what others think) - Jan Ulrich, Ivan Basso (the overall favorite to win) and others were banned because of a Spanish inquiry into doping.. why would the french want their prestigious sport to be tainted further (go see Talledega Nights.. it gives a good perspective of how french people are with their integrity).

Tyler Hamilton.. was picked by MANY to be the next Lance Armstrong a few years back.. he was on Armstrong's US Postal Service team - he's currently banned from cycling for doping.. if he can do it as an American. What's to say Landis cant, or hasn't.

this isn't me saying the french are right.. or the UCI is right.. because frankly - everything in cycling is fucked up. But Im not going to hold the french accountable, when the UCI is NOT a french institution, it is just their race. I'm sure we'll get some answers next week when Landis goes before the US Anti Doping Agency..