THE POLITICAL ARENA!!! Political Gladiators Inside!!

[Hawk]

It was a 500% tax on guns, I was wrong. Thanks for reminding me of how much your god wanted to tax our guns, making it impossible for only average income people to buy one.

The Negative opinion of government is because of Democrats and Republicans. Lets elect some Libertarians to correct this mess.

500% and you believed it . What an____!

Proved: WRONG
Do you feel stupid ?

[Banned]

NOTHING you have ever posted has EVER PROVED A THING.

[Banned]

NOTHING you have ever posted has EVER PROVED A THING.

Unless you count the many times it proved your stupidity.

[Hawk]

NOTHING you have ever posted has EVER PROVED A THING.

Unless you count the many times it proved your stupidity.

You were caught in a lie... Have you ever caught me in a lie. The only time I ever came close was when I claimed Ron Paul supported Racist Don Black when It was actually Don Black who contributed to Ron Paul.

You support racists and I'm stupid ? You either flushed your morals down the toilet or you are a racist.

Your cult mentor named his son after cult leader Ayn Rand and you never read her books ? No wonder these people can pull the wool over your eyes so easily. And yes, this PROVES you're stupid. If fact I'm weary of proving you wrong regularly, don't you get tired of looking so stupid and being wrong on the facts so often


Hey Joe, tell me more lies about the 300% (forgot, you got the lie wrong the first time) 500% gun tax you fool. How do you fall for that crap so easily ?

[Hawk]

It was a 500% tax on guns, I was wrong. Thanks for reminding me of how much your god wanted to tax our guns, making it impossible for only average income people to buy one.

500% and you believed it . What an____!

Proved: WRONG
Do you feel stupid ?

Yep, I find this funny...

[Banned]

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/Economy/ ... d=14609951

Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner didn't dispute a Harvard economist's estimate that each job in the White House's jobs plan would cost $200,000, but said the pricetag is the wrong way to measure the bill's worth.


Bill's authoritarian government at its wasteful best. What does Timmy care about money, its only our money, and he went years without paying taxes. Even stupid idiots like Bill could see that the government cannot create jobs, so stop trying the central planning idea. Get govt out of the way (reduce taxes and regulations) and let the private economy flourish.

[Banned]

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/071f902c-e636 ... z1ZABEOFRi



Coca-Cola now sees the US becoming a less friendly business environment than China, its chief executive has revealed, citing political gridlock and an antiquated tax structure as reasons its home market has become less competitive.

Its government's fault jobs and corporations are leaving this country.

[lonewolf]

You were caught in a lie... Have you ever caught me in a lie. The only time I ever came close was when I claimed Ron Paul supported Racist Don Black when It was actually Don Black who contributed to Ron Paul.

Ok, so we can just call these incorrect assumptions. "Lie" is such a strong word:

http://rockpage.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.ph ... ect#221317

http://rockpage.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.ph ... ect#221269

http://rockpage.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.ph ... ect#205516

http://rockpage.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.ph ... ect#122589

Oh yes, don't forget the "more money in the hands of consumers causes inflation" even though there is no legitimate reference to such a thing anywhere except for you and Maxine Waters.

I can find more if you like.

[songsmith]

Well, the research was impressive, but "incorrect" is a bit of a stretch. In each case listed, the argument Bill was making was legitimate based on the behavior described by Bill. Deregulation of the mining industry, for instance, would wipe out 100 years of safety and environmental protections, and most certainly would lead to far more pollution and more dead miners... but mining company profits would increase, which is the only real objective. This assessment is not based on personal opinion, so much as on past behavior of the mining companies, even recently: if they ignore regulations already in place, why would they not do so if such safeguards were lifted? It's not a slippery-slope argument if there is obvious history that the slope is, indeed, slippery. The name of the government agency that oversees mining regulations is less important than the fact that they are overseen.
On the other hand, Bill posted that the gun tax Joe referred to was a falsehood, which is factual. There is no 500% gun tax, no 300% gun tax, and no evidence exists that there was going to be.
Joe didn't make up that "factoid" out of thin air, he was misinformed, and I don't think he should be called a "liar," so much as "willing to believe what he wants to hear." Either way, he was factually wrong.

[lonewolf]

Well, the research was impressive, but "incorrect" is a bit of a stretch. In each case listed, the argument Bill was making was legitimate based on the behavior described by Bill.

Bullshit Johnny...he said things like the EPA handles mining regulations, when it is the Department of Labor's "jurisdiction". I don't care about the argument part--thats all subjective anyway--he said things that simply aren't true.

The difference its that I don't call them lies like he does, I call them mistaken assumptions.

[songsmith]

So which gov't agency do you actually support, the EPA or Bureau of Mining Safety? If it's "neither," it's parsing, as you're notasmuch concerned with worker and environmental safety as you are with Bill being wrong about some peripheral detail. In contrast, Joe posted something that wasn't even vaguely true.

[Don Hughes]

Naw, we don't need regulation.

Now if you'll excuse me, I have a peanut butter, tomato, spinach and Chinese toy sandwich to finish.

[lonewolf]

So which gov't agency do you actually support, the EPA or Bureau of Mining Safety? If it's "neither," it's parsing, as you're notasmuch concerned with worker and environmental safety as you are with Bill being wrong about some peripheral detail. In contrast, Joe posted something that wasn't even vaguely true.

Some of the EPA's functions are constitutionally legitimate, such as air and water pollution...things that cross state lines.

I suppose dept. of labor might have some legitimate functions if it involves employees who cross state lines.

When you consider the state laws and agencies that exist, most federal agencies are redundant and useless. Unfortunately, when a bureacrat finds out they are essentially useless, they will work hard to find a way to make themselves "useful". Thats when we get ridiculous regulations that we do not need, do not want and cannot afford.

If it doesn't cross state lines, its up to the states to regulate it.

[Banned]

You were caught in a lie... Have you ever caught me in a lie. The only time I ever came close was when I claimed Ron Paul supported Racist Don Black when It was actually Don Black who contributed to Ron Paul.

Ok, so we can just call these incorrect assumptions. "Lie" is such a strong word:

http://rockpage.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.ph ... ect#221317

http://rockpage.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.ph ... ect#221269

http://rockpage.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.ph ... ect#205516

http://rockpage.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.ph ... ect#122589

Oh yes, don't forget the "more money in the hands of consumers causes inflation" even though there is no legitimate reference to such a thing anywhere except for you and Maxine Waters.

I can find more if you like.

[Banned]

http://www.nraila.org/obama/

FACT: Barack Obama has endorsed a 500% increase in the federal excise tax on firearms and ammunition.9

[onegunguitar]

http://www.nraila.org/obama/

FACT: Barack Obama has endorsed a 500% increase in the federal excise tax on firearms and ammunition.9

What would the NRA know? Hahahahaha

[Banned]

Deregulation of the mining industry, for instance, would wipe out 100 years of safety and environmental protections, and most certainly would lead to far more pollution and more dead miners... but mining company profits would increase, which is the only real objective.

Pure opinion. Or please show proof.

If the federal EPA was eliminated, the individual states would oversee mining or any manufacturing. The Departments of Education, HUD, EPA, Commerce and Energy could all be eliminated at the federal level, saving 100's of Billions of dollars, and those duties would shift to the states.

[Hawk]

You were caught in a lie... Have you ever caught me in a lie. The only time I ever came close was when I claimed Ron Paul supported Racist Don Black when It was actually Don Black who contributed to Ron Paul.

Ok, so we can just call these incorrect assumptions. "Lie" is such a strong word:

http://rockpage.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.ph ... ect#221317

http://rockpage.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.ph ... ect#221269

http://rockpage.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.ph ... ect#205516

http://rockpage.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.ph ... ect#122589

Oh yes, don't forget the "more money in the hands of consumers causes inflation" even though there is no legitimate reference to such a thing anywhere except for you and Maxine Waters.

I can find more if you like.

Very incredible. Thank you so much - without sarcasm.

Let's go through them one by one.

1. You asked me a question to which you knew the answer and I answered incorrectly, not knowing the answer was Dept of Labor and not the EPA. Was I attempting to mislead or did I just get the answer wrong ? Joe was / is attempting to mislead, I would call that a lie.

BTW the correct answer (EPA or Dept. of Labor) was totally irrelevant to the post or the conversation. It was nice of you to correct me and I accepted the correction.

2. I was making the point that Germany was not a social economic government like Marxist Communism. I stand by that. There were still private companies in Germany, if you prefer to not call that capitalism I defer to your intellect. Your semantic details were again, off topic.

3. It's most interesting that you used this post instead of the next one after it Jeff. I am disappointed in you as you seem to want to do a spin on my calling out JOE on HIS LIE and his support of that LIE.

I said in my post, "as I understand...". You corrected me and what was my answer to you in the very next post ? "Thank you". Nothing like "Thank you" came from Joe. So Jeff, thanks for this opportunity for showing the RP people the true difference between me (who accepts corrections) and JOE who only want to pass along cult LIES.

4. Again I used the phrase "as I understand" indicating I didn't know the truth. You posted the facts with sources. And yet AGAIN, in you attempt Jeff to discredit me you FAILED T to post mt response. In my response I simply said I should have added a ? at the end of my "as I understand...?

And then I THANKED YOU for your reply.

So if that's was your attempt to discredit me relative to my calling Joe and his cohorts liars, then I stand tall, but I've lost a little respect for you (not that you care).

And I stand by the belief / opinion that if everyone had more money, businesses would raise prices.

EDIT: BTW Joe, now you can shove that back up your butt. Jeff managed to show how fair minded I am and I thank him for that, which shows the huge contrast between a typical liberal and a typical conservative / Libertarian.

[Banned]

So what we learn is that what ever Bill posts is the Absolute Truth and whatever someone who disagrees with him posts a LIE.

Typical liberal behavior.

If you don't agree with Bill, you are a Liar, a Racist, want people addicted to hard drugs, old people to die, and want the air and water polluted. What a reasonable fellow, if you do not agree with his socialist agenda, you are a monster.

Did you learn this behavior in your church or government school?

[Hawk]

So what we learn is that what ever Bill posts is the Absolute Truth and whatever someone who disagrees with him posts a LIE.

Typical liberal behavior.

If you don't agree with Bill, you are a Liar, a Racist, want people addicted to hard drugs, old people to die, and want the air and water polluted. What a reasonable fellow, if you do not agree with his socialist agenda, you are a monster.

Did you learn this behavior in your church or government school?

"Well, there you go again" spinshitjoe. Yes if you spin I will call it spin.

What we learned is that when someone lies I will call them a liar and when someone corrects me I accept the correction.

I went to private school. My parents explained to me at an early age that they pay taxes for kids to go to school so that the city (Altoona) has educated people.

What we learned Joe, if you read the posts, was that when someone corrects me with the truth I accept it. Read that line again Joe. And I thanked him for educating me. Read that again Joe.

You can disagree with me all you want. Jeff does and I learn from him. I've never called him a liar, he doesn't lie. In fact I've called him smart. I call 'em like I see 'em whether one agrees with me or not.

And let's take you statement apart.
"If you don't agree with Bill, you are a Liar, a Racist, want people addicted to hard drugs, old people to die, and want the air and water polluted. What a reasonable fellow, if you do not agree with his socialist agenda, you are a monster."

If you lie (like you did) I will call you a liar.

If you support race discrimination in the private sector (like YOU do) I will call you a racist.

If you want all illegal HARD drugs made legal, I don't think that is a good idea and I stand by that.

If you don't want regulations on polution (cap and trade) because money is more important to you I will call you selfish.

You are quite welcome to disagree with any social program within our capitalistic economic system. I will follow with an explanation of why I disagree with you.

[Hawk]

Well, the research was impressive, but "incorrect" is a bit of a stretch. In each case listed, the argument Bill was making was legitimate based on the behavior described by Bill.

Bullshit Johnny...he said things like the EPA handles mining regulations, when it is the Department of Labor's "jurisdiction". I don't care about the argument part--thats all subjective anyway--he said things that simply aren't true.

The difference its that I don't call them lies like he does, I call them mistaken assumptions.

Jeff, you asked me a simple question to which you knew the answer. Instead of just saying, hey Hawk, that comes under the jurisdiction of the Dept. of Labor, you ask who I thought it came under. I thought it was the EPA and that's how I answered your question. You clearly set me up. I, in NO way was attempting to lie or mislead relative to who's specific jurisdiction it came under. Whose jurisdiction it came under was irrelevant to the points I was trying to make anyhow, but you do tend to get caught up in unnecessary (to the conversation) digressions.

I accepted my mistake and continued with my points about problems with a lack of regulation in the mining industry. You have to accept that people with less intelligence than you (everybody right?) are still allowed to have opinions and your intellect does not make the rest of us wrong nor does it make you right.

[Banned]

If you support race discrimination in the private sector (like YOU do) I will call you a racist.

If you want all illegal HARD drugs made legal, I don't think that is a good idea and I stand by that.

If you don't want regulations on polution (cap and trade) because money is more important to you I will call you selfish.

You are quite welcome to disagree with any social program within our capitalistic economic system. I will follow with an explanation of why I disagree with you.

You call someone who favors freedom and liberty a racist. I call you a government Nazi and I stand by that.

How will I make money if regulations on pollution done away with? That makes no sense, as usual for you. I am against the federal govt making the regulations. State and local regulations are Constitutional.

[Banned]

Bill, where have you EVER ONCE proved that I lied? Besides in your fantasy world.

[lonewolf]

Bill, I don't see how your "mistaken assumptions" are any different than Joe's.

That is the point I was trying to make.

The correct answer to a question that you really don't know the answer to is:

I DON'T KNOW!

Once you understand this and live it, you will begin to know that you don't know a lot of things that you thought you knew.

[Hawk]

If you support race discrimination in the private sector (like YOU do) I will call you a racist.

If you want all illegal HARD drugs made legal, I don't think that is a good idea and I stand by that.

If you don't want regulations on polution (cap and trade) because money is more important to you I will call you selfish.

You are quite welcome to disagree with any social program within our capitalistic economic system. I will follow with an explanation of why I disagree with you.

You call someone who favors freedom and liberty a racist. I call you a government Nazi and I stand by that.

How will I make money if regulations on pollution done away with? That makes no sense, as usual for you. I am against the federal govt making the regulations. State and local regulations are Constitutional.

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Are you dense ? A lack of regulations on polution is what you get if taxes are cut, you know "your money". I never said anything about making money. Dense...