Let The Debating Begin!

[ZappasXWife]

I remember arguing for ten minutes with this older burned out guy that Black Magic Women was originally a Fleetwood Mac song, not Santana.

Well, yea... doesn't everyone know that? But perfect example of the cover blowing away the original (same with Jimis All Along the Watchtower BTW, sorry Bob)

Pearl Jam, like them, but I can never understand a word he's saying.

Wow he looks so hot saying them though YankeeRose...MMmmmm...not hot enough to get on that freakin list though

Fleetwood Mac is awesome, but "Hypnotized" was before "her" time, wasn't it?

Not so sure it was, even though Stevie's not on that song featuring Bob Welch, great song BTW, how did they make that specific guitar sound on that song, its really cool. Anyone know?

[BDR]

... and who's dick is Jon Bon Jovi sucking to get this kind of press?

... Where's Alice in Chains, Soundgarten, there are 6 bands right there that belong on that list before Bon Jovi ...

Did Bon Jovi run over your dog or something? LOL

Playing devil's advocate, I would have to say that band longevity, the ability to morph, adapt and grow with the times and, of course, actual record sales would have to come in to play here somewhere. I mean, 9 albums and 100 million+ copies sold has to be indicative of something, right?

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[Imgrimm01]

Again if were going to talk about Longevitity , RUSH ??? , and I have to go with Vin on this Bon Jovi was nothing more than a toy for ladies of the 80's quality of the music??? I doubt it.

[BDR]

You shouldn't judge that of which you have not heard. Your opinion is clearly based on the first few albums of the early- to mid-80s which were definitely geared toward the demographic you reference. It’s obvious you’ve not heard anything recorded after 1990.

Listen to "These Days" (1995) and "Destination Anywhere" (1997), then I'll repsect your opinion as informed.

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[Imgrimm01]

Actually I am very familiar with all of those, you see a couple years my daughter came to me with a cd and said " dad listen to this band they just came out and I really think you'll like it" yeah you guessed it Bon Jovi being 11 at the time she was not aware of the "cheese years " and thought this was all the new rage, I was curious to see what he was doing these days so I checked it out... " Like Frankie said I did it my was"?? come on that is bad bad stuff man. look man we don't agree on this I'm ok with that.

[YankeeRose]

Pearl Jam, like them, but I can never understand a word he's saying.

ZappasX said:

Wow he looks so hot saying them though...[/quote]



Eh, I suppose he's "hot"...I never really thought of him that way. I don't think of many singers/musicians in that way...and while I appreciate them sharing their gift or gifts, it's never been about that...if you know what I mean? "It's the MUSIC"! Who they are as people is another matter, entirely...they may be total jerks. Although, I do have to admit, a different Eddie's "Eruption" has always "gotten to me", HA! "Hot" songs/music now, way too much to EVER begin to list...A to Zombie! Just a few of those having MANY tunes on my "hot" list: Allmans, Black Crowes, Clapton/Cream, Doors, Godsmack, Jimi, Santana and SRV! WHEW!

[BDR]

Actually I am very familiar with all of those, you see a couple years my daughter came to me with a cd and said " dad listen to this band they just came out and I really think you'll like it" yeah you guessed it Bon Jovi being 11 at the time she was not aware of the "cheese years " and thought this was all the new rage, I was curious to see what he was doing these days so I checked it out... " Like Frankie said I did it my was"?? come on that is bad bad stuff man. look man we don't agree on this I'm ok with that.

They have a tendency to record one or two "radio friendlies" with each album but I'm actually referring to the album cuts. But I agree 100 percent with the "hits" they are putting out.

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[FatVin]

To Rob:

No Bon Jovi didn't run over my dog, but c'mon, dude it's fluff,

Bon Jovi is not the anti-christ but to list them as greater than Sound Garten or the Black Crowes or Alice Cooper or any one of half a dozen that have been brought up on this string of posts is crap and you know it

Yes they've survived and yes they "adapted" but so has Madonna, you gonna tell me she belongs on the list with the Eagles and CCR? I don't think so

You make a valid point about record sales but by that rationale KISS should be at the Top of the list.

Sales should be considered of course but I think artistic influence should be given greater weight

The problem here is that it's hard to quantify influence so list making knuckle heads is offices don't have anything to hang their hats on

There are many more bands influenced by KISS, Skynrd and CCR and Springsteen than they were by Pearl Jam or Journey or the Dave Mathews band (Hell I'd like to see more people influenced by DMB) but who's higher on the list?

Here's something to think about Who's music is closer to your own; Alice Cooper, The Black Crowes and Soundgarten? or Bon Jovi?

For me, It's ZZ Top, SRV and George Thorogood and NONE of them made the list

[BDR]

You make a valid point about record sales but by that rationale KISS should be at the Top of the list.

Without question, KISS should be in the top ten of any list like this even if only factoring the pure marketing genius that went in to their success. Not the best instrumental or lyrical band ever by any stretch, but what an impact they made on the industry ...

Yes they've survived and yes they "adapted" but so has Madonna ...

For this list, anyway, Madonna's not a "band," but again, you have to give her props for being a survivor, as well as a talented performer; a totally different category than the Britneys and Christinas of today ...

Who's music is closer to your own; Alice Cooper, The Black Crowes and Soundgarten? or Bon Jovi?

At least vocally, JBJ influenced my style greatly, and not the "radio" stuff that everyone knows and gauges him by, but the bluesy, non"fluff" stuff that no one pays any attention to. The "album cuts" if you will. We play hard rock and metal, but at karaoke I sing Billy Joel, Simon and Garfunkel and Engelberg Humperdink because I like to get down like that.

Bottom line with lists like this — and this point has already been made — is that unqualified people develop them. I mean, several weeks ago I saw the "Top 100 Greatest Metal Bands" on VH1, hosted by Dee Snyder, and whadaya know, Twisted Sister was # 2. Are you kidding me?

It's all about personal preference, but if you're gonna rank these guys, I think the factors I've mentioned — longevity, staying power (there's a difference between those two) and sales in particular — should be huge determining factors.

Influence, as you spoke of, should, of course, factor in. Bon Jovi was to 80s hair metal what Nirvana was to the death of it.

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[no surrender]

Why isn't DEEP PURPLE on this list??!!! They were fucking awesum!! I love em!!! Great great great Rockers!! Where are they???

that's,

DEEP PURPLE !! Get them on the list!!!

[BDR]

Purple ... what about Prince ?

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[no surrender]

Purple ... what about Prince ?

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dude DON'T dis DEEP PURPLE!!

[Ron]

no surrender---
Deep Purple is a European band. The list is for the top 20 American bands.

[BDR]

Purple ... what about Prince ?

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dude DON'T dis DEEP PURPLE!!

Was that a DIS?

Holy shit, is this "Internet Troll Month" or something?

PEOPLE!!! THE REASON has returned ...

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[bassist_25]

Again if were going to talk about Longevitity , RUSH ???

Once again, the list is the top AMERICAN bands. Rush is from Canada.

BTW: I was one of the people that dismissed "new" Bon Jovi as trash. I dug These Days, but then they lost me after that with stuff like It's My Life. That was until I listened to Bounce. Holy shit that album has some of the best production I've heard in a long time. Then again, I love slick production. And oh my God, the hooks in the songwriting blew me away. It's not weak material by any stretch of the imagination.

[ERiC_AiXeLsyD]

IMO the Ramones should top the list. They are one of the most influental bands ever... ask around. Listen around. Plus... they're the ultimate rock n' roll story... some guys from a poor neighboorhood who made it as big as underground will let you get, yet kept it real and rocked out until death... with all kinds of material and drama to make it exciting.

Also... for the record, and I know you'll all hate me for this... Rush (to me) is just missing something. They're all incredibly skilled. They're all amazingly talented, & their songwriting is argualbly flawless... but... they don't do a damn thing for me. I don't get once ounce of feeling or emotion out of any of their songs. There is no hook that pulls me in.

Sorry, just my humble opinion.

[ERiC_AiXeLsyD]

I can't take Greatful Dead, but I can see why they're there. The Black Crowes should have definitely made the cut.

Dave Matthews Band? Come on!!! Someone, please pull your head out of your ass.

[Imgrimm01]

If you look at the very first post of this thread it DOES NOT say American bands it says bands, so I say RUSH 1,2,3,

[bassist_25]

It doesn't matter if Kevin wrote American or not in the original post; J pointed out on the first page that the original article the list was taken from was for the top 20 American bands. I still fail to see your point. *shrugs* It may seem like a matter of semantics, but the original parameters of the list was based on American bands, so it's irrelevant if someone thinks that a non-American band should be on.

God, this post really does prove that I like to argue.

[ERiC_AiXeLsyD]

Well, "American" could be Canadian, Mexican, or even South American...

American seems dumb to only apply to the US... everyone living in North or South American is an American.

I have issused with that word. Sorry.

[no surrender]

If you look at the very first post of this thread it DOES NOT say American bands it says bands, so I say RUSH 1,2,3,

EXACTEE MUNDO!! WTF is with all the criticism???

[Punkinhead]

Here' s my thoughts on this list:

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If Black Sabbath isn't listed, the list has no credibility to me.

[Possessed]

I agree if you want to take American in it's literal sense then RUSH all the way.

[Banned]

BTW: I was one of the people that dismissed "new" Bon Jovi as trash. I dug These Days, but then they lost me after that with stuff like It's My Life. That was until I listened to Bounce. Holy shit that album has some of the best production I've heard in a long time. Then again, I love slick production. And oh my God, the hooks in the songwriting blew me away. It's not weak material by any stretch of the imagination.

Agreed. And let me tell ya . . . we saw them on the Bounce tour, and Jon Bon Jovi sounded absolutely phenomenal. Great vocal tone, power, and control. (And his delivery was "loose" enough to not be recorded. )

Also... for the record, and I know you'll all hate me for this... Rush (to me) is just missing something. They're all incredibly skilled. They're all amazingly talented, & their songwriting is argualbly flawless... but... they don't do a damn thing for me. I don't get once ounce of feeling or emotion out of any of their songs. There is no hook that pulls me in.

There's something to that. Especially with Peart's lyrics. He sounds like a left-brained guy trying to crank out right-brained material. But those quirks and eccentricities are what hooks me into Rush. If they were just technicians, it wouldn't work as well. But between Geddy's voice, and Alex's weird scribbling leads, and the nerded-out song subjects . . . it's weird enough to have some charm.

And Geddy did that song with the McKenzie brothers. That has to count for something.

[bassist_25]

I totally agree bout Jon Bon Jovi. He's a totally underrated vocalist. He's polished enough to be considered technical but he still has a lot of Blues and grit in his vocal style. The new singer for Riot (name slips me right now, sang on Sons of Society) is the same way.

While Rush are a technical band, I always thought that they still had a good ear for a hook and melody. They're definatley one of my favorite bands.