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Comrade Hawk, I would get the government out of all health care. Eliminate Medicare, and Medicaid to start. Then pull out all of US spending in any and all foreign countries. This would enable us to eliminate the income tax completely. With all of the extra money that American citizens are able to keep, the economy would explode and unemployment would dissapear. Small businesses would grow overnight, and buying your own health care from a private company would be very affordable for all.

These are not my ideas alone. This is what Ron Paul will do in his first year as President.

Comrade :roll: I hope your tongue is planted firmly in your cheek :lol:
Joe ? Are you there Joe ?

I'd be highly insulted if you mean that.

Or are you insinuating that every elected official who voted to put our current policies in place is a Communist.

And I have pointed out from the beginning that pure socialism sucks. And, so does too much.

You and I have been round and round on this before. I say we need some social programs. Fortunately, most of the people in power see it the same way.

Like I said before. Wopuld you mind if I bought the road in front of your house and charge you use it ?

How would it be if I bought the local water company and charged you whatever I feel like charging you for water.

Ok, never mind, I give up with you.

Everyone already knows your ideas won't work. That's why they're not in place.
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Sapo, in my last post, I wasn't addressing you directly with questions, and I apologize, because the way I had it worded could be construed that way... I just hear a lot on my daily dose of anger/laughter/frustration known as talk radio, I hear all conservatives complain about paying taxes, and that the lib'rals are all Communists. Hawk brings up a valid point about taxation vs. the free market. Funds raised by government entities must be open to public scrutiny, must be voted on in a public forum, and incur the protection of checks and balances. Funds raised by the free market are subject to only two things: the greed of the business involved, and the need for whatever being sold, otherwise known as supply and demand. Control the supply, and demand a high price. The conservative view appears to be that if you can drastically overcharge for something (like gasoline, or healthcare), you should. Is that how your government should be run? Moreover, doesn't the "free market" corporate version of governing make us all employees? I don't want to be an employee of the state, an employer's job is to exploit his employees for his own benefit... it becomes the haves vs. the have-nots, lords vs. peasants, that's a class barrier, and those need to be destroyed, not buttressed.
When I hear someone complaining about their taxes, or social programs, it always seems to be someone who makes a lot of money, can easily afford their taxes, and will probably never need Social Security or other social programs. But you better effin-A betcha that Rush Limbaugh will cash in those $800 checks when the time comes. Do you ever hear where anyone sends the SocSec check back with a note saying, "I don't believe in the New Deal, or any other Communist idea. You keep it." No sir, a green gub'mint check in your hands... time to go support the free market.
The I-80 toll debate, for example, is flat-out dangerous. To take something the people own, and give it to a business, and allow that business to control it and make money from it, you tell me, how is that good for anyone but the business? The disadvantages so far outweigh any benefit: Trucks will simply hit the back roads, look for huge traffic increases on Rt.22, which is already 40 years outdated. Many will simply avoid our area altogether, rendering the I-99 corridor a backwater forever. The whole debate is moot if you just pull the jillion dollars spent on Philly's infrastructure, and aim it to the meat & potatoes areas like ours. Sell SEPTA, bitches, not my roads.
Anyway, to steer the thread back to Hillary '08, I don't think there's a goddamn dime of difference in any candidate for any party, at least one who has even a ghost of a chance next November. Give me a negative about the Dems, and I'll give you ten back on Republicans, and vice-versa. They all owe too much money to too many rich a-holes who think they own them.
If Hillary wants to socialize bluegrass, and supply me with a new PA system and vintage dobro, I might swing to the left a little. Nah, then she'd think she owns me. Okay, maybe for a nice WWII-era squareneck, but it'd have to come with a hardshell case AND a K&K pickup onboard. And legalize it. Then I might even sign up to be HER intern. But I'm not wearing a blue dress. :roll: ------->JMS
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Sapo wrote:This topic will never be resolved here but i invite all those with counter views to come out and debate it with me (over set breaks - and in a friendly manner) at the osceola hotel this saturday where my band will be playing.
If anyone comes to one of our shows and tries to talk politics during set break, I will personally take your beer and/or other applicable beverage and pour it over your head.

r:>)
That's what she said.
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BadDazeRob wrote:
If anyone comes to one of our shows and tries to talk politics during set break, I will personally take your beer and/or other applicable beverage and pour it over your head.

r:>)


lol I'll let you keep your beer, but I will kick you square in the balls.
Unless your a girl of course, but I'm not above punching you in the vagina either.
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songsmith wrote:If Hillary wants to socialize bluegrass, and supply me with a new PA system and vintage dobro, I might swing to the left a little.
LOL

Since things were too crazy on Saturday to get a good old sKool quote, that's totally going in my sig!
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I don't talk politics unless some one else starts when I'm out ! And even then I say, "Don't get me started".
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Hawk wrote:I don't talk politics unless some one else starts when I'm out ! And even then I say, "Don't get me started".
You should prolly just get that tattooed on ya. :lol:
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DirtySanchez wrote:
Hawk wrote:I don't talk politics unless some one else starts when I'm out ! And even then I say, "Don't get me started".
You should prolly just get that tattooed on ya. :lol:
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RobTheDrummer wrote:We need a true conservative in there that will cut all the bullshit spending and know how to run a war.
Actually, what we need is a true liberal. Sorry to argue semantics, but America's political definitions have become so skewed over the years that we really don't even know what we're talking about anymore. Generally, what we call a libertarian is what political theory defines as a liberal. People like Ben Franklin, Jefferson, and most Americans generally are liberal. Liberals value the individual and emphasis narrow government along with personal freedom. What we call liberal - or at least what modern right-wing political radio calls liberal - is actually socialism. What we call totalitarian is what political theory defines as conservative. Though conservatism generally empasizes intrinisic evilness in man kind (so government needs to be broad), so many fundamentalist religious people can be considered conservative.

And I agree with Kevin - While I do like Ron Paul and he's probably going to be who I vote for unless someone really sways me before now and when it's time to vote, I know that you can't wave a magic wand and expect congress to do whatever you fancy on that particular day.
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BadDazeRob wrote:
Sapo wrote:This topic will never be resolved here but i invite all those with counter views to come out and debate it with me (over set breaks - and in a friendly manner) at the osceola hotel this saturday where my band will be playing.
If anyone comes to one of our shows and tries to talk politics during set break, I will personally take your beer and/or other applicable beverage and pour it over your head.

r:>)
i'm just a renaissance man.

songsmith - no offense taken.
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Hawk wrote:
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Comrade Hawk, I would get the government out of all health care. Eliminate Medicare, and Medicaid to start. Then pull out all of US spending in any and all foreign countries. This would enable us to eliminate the income tax completely. With all of the extra money that American citizens are able to keep, the economy would explode and unemployment would dissapear. Small businesses would grow overnight, and buying your own health care from a private company would be very affordable for all.

These are not my ideas alone. This is what Ron Paul will do in his first year as President.

Comrade :roll: I hope your tongue is planted firmly in your cheek :lol:
Joe ? Are you there Joe ?

I'd be highly insulted if you mean that.

Or are you insinuating that every elected official who voted to put our current policies in place is a Communist.

And I have pointed out from the beginning that pure socialism sucks. And, so does too much.

You and I have been round and round on this before. I say we need some social programs. Fortunately, most of the people in power see it the same way.

Like I said before. Wopuld you mind if I bought the road in front of your house and charge you use it ?

How would it be if I bought the local water company and charged you whatever I feel like charging you for water.

Ok, never mind, I give up with you.

Everyone already knows your ideas won't work. That's why they're not in place.
These ideas that you say won't work are the ideas that formed our country. How quickly you would throw liberty and freedom, Thomas Jefferson and George Washington's ideas away. And remember, Liberty is also freedom from government.

About you buying my road, how much are you offering? If your cost per year to maintain is less than my local taxes, I would do it in a heart beat.
Many government services would be done cheaper and much much much better by free market private companies owned by free citizens living the capitalist dream.

Hawk, someone says something bad about socialism, and you reply with about 10 posts stating your love of govenment in all areas of your life. Are you afraid to live without government. Remember, with a vastly reduced goverment, you would have much more of your money that you earned over your life. Then you would not government because you would be able to spend your money. Everyone running for president but Ron Paul wants to keep things the same to some degree, taking your money because they know how to spend it better than you.
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IMHO, anything is better than genocidal Fascism...and I do NOT trust anyone who sounds too good to be true, because I found out the hard way they usually are. 8)
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The thought of Hillary in '08 scares the shit outta me. I usually take the time to read the entire thread before I make a comment, but in this case I haven't bothered because the political threads on here usually make me sick. I'm sorry if I reiterate what has already been said, but voting for Hillary is voting for more of the same. If you think things are going to be any better under her brand of authoritarian bullshit than it's been under Bush's you are sadly mistaken. "Party politics" is a scam to keep the sheeplike masses thinking they actually have a choice. I find it funnily ironic that the biggest Hillary supporters are usually the biggest Bush haters. ...can't see the forest for the trees.
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Hawk wrote:
Hawk wrote:
Comrade :roll: I hope your tongue is planted firmly in your cheek :lol:
Joe ? Are you there Joe ?

I'd be highly insulted if you mean that.

Or are you insinuating that every elected official who voted to put our current policies in place is a Communist.

And I have pointed out from the beginning that pure socialism sucks. And, so does too much.

You and I have been round and round on this before. I say we need some social programs. Fortunately, most of the people in power see it the same way.

Like I said before. Wopuld you mind if I bought the road in front of your house and charge you use it ?

How would it be if I bought the local water company and charged you whatever I feel like charging you for water.

Ok, never mind, I give up with you.

Everyone already knows your ideas won't work. That's why they're not in place.
These ideas that you say won't work are the ideas that formed our country. How quickly you would throw liberty and freedom, Thomas Jefferson and George Washington's ideas away. And remember, Liberty is also freedom from government.

About you buying my road, how much are you offering? If your cost per year to maintain is less than my local taxes, I would do it in a heart beat.
Many government services would be done cheaper and much much much better by free market private companies owned by free citizens living the capitalist dream.

Hawk, someone says something bad about socialism, and you reply with about 10 posts stating your love of govenment in all areas of your life. Are you afraid to live without government. Remember, with a vastly reduced goverment, you would have much more of your money that you earned over your life. Then you would not government because you would be able to spend your money. Everyone running for president but Ron Paul wants to keep things the same to some degree, taking your money because they know how to spend it better than you.
YES I am afraid to live without Clean Water , Public Roads, FDA FEMA On and on.

You are so wrong about privatising. You would have less money. 17 States have unsafe fishing. You cannot eat the fish if you catch it. The number would be 50 if we didn't have protection. Lake Erie would not have been cleaned up without the government.

Pollution would be rampant under your government. What a mess your government would create . I'm so glad no one listens to you. And that would include me from now on.

BTW if I see you out at a gig, I would buy you a beer too. I do respect the fact that you know enough to hold an opinion (even if it's wrong).

In a forum like this, any one is free to read or ignore it. But in a bar, being around other people, they need not be subjected to political ranting from me or anyone else. So I prefer to talk music, or anything other than politics. So Joe, The political rants on Rockpage (for me) stay on Rockpage. Cheers.
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Hawk, you would have loved Joe Stalin, Karl Marx and Lenin. Love how government tells you how to run the limited life they see fit to let you have.
You must not buy any clothes from privately owned stores. They obviously must be cheating you, because they are privatley owned and thus currupt and evil. You must not buy your food, beer, cars, or anything from a privately owned business. You cannot trust them can you.

Don't look up sheeple in the dictionary, self reflection is very hard.

You probably should pay more taxes as you worship your slave owners. It would make you feel better. I'll buy you a beer then.
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undercoverjoe wrote:Hawk, you would have loved Joe Stalin, Karl Marx and Lenin. Love how government tells you how to run the limited life they see fit to let you have.
You must not buy any clothes from privately owned stores. They obviously must be cheating you, because they are privatley owned and thus currupt and evil. You must not buy your food, beer, cars, or anything from a privately owned business. You cannot trust them can you.

Don't look up sheeple in the dictionary, self reflection is very hard.

You probably should pay more taxes as you worship your slave owners. It would make you feel better. I'll buy you a beer then.
Your ignorance in this post shows you have not read my posts. I'm tired of your Rush Limbaugh approach to discussions. (I'm not saying you think like Rush, I'm saying I'm familiar with his tactics, and you like to use the same tactics.) I am a capitalist first and foremost. I want government protection. If you don't like government protection, you can leave.

If you feel comfortable with Private FDA and Police Etc., you are braver than I am. But don't use what I say and twist the meaning in Limbaugh fashion. What does "Pure socialism or too mush socialism sucks" mean to you ? Or , like I said, do you skip over what you want ? Well yeah, you did.

I tried in many threads to define a line between what the good programs were and the bad programs. Then we could debate where the line should be. While I endlessly list some good ones, you sheepishly declined to say what should be cut, what protection should be removed. Because you know if protection is removed chaos will follow.

In other words you add little to nothing to the debate but name calling and grandstanding. Rush does that too. Buy Rush a beer.
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GGLASS you are the fucking man!!I love it when you've had enough!!!!!!!
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Sorry Gallow,that Gglass thing was a little too ethnic for me! LOL
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whitedevilone wrote:Sorry Gallow,that Gglass thing was a little too ethnic for me! LOL
LOL, ain't no 'thang, homie...we chill.
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bassist_25 wrote:
RobTheDrummer wrote:We need a true conservative in there that will cut all the bullshit spending and know how to run a war.
Actually, what we need is a true liberal. Sorry to argue semantics, but America's political definitions have become so skewed over the years that we really don't even know what we're talking about anymore. Generally, what we call a libertarian is what political theory defines as a liberal. People like Ben Franklin, Jefferson, and most Americans generally are liberal. Liberals value the individual and emphasis narrow government along with personal freedom. What we call liberal - or at least what modern right-wing political radio calls liberal - is actually socialism. What we call totalitarian is what political theory defines as conservative. Though conservatism generally empasizes intrinisic evilness in man kind (so government needs to be broad), so many fundamentalist religious people can be considered conservative.

And I agree with Kevin - While I do like Ron Paul and he's probably going to be who I vote for unless someone really sways me before now and when it's time to vote, I know that you can't wave a magic wand and expect congress to do whatever you fancy on that particular day.
You're soo 19th century, Paul . :wink:
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HILARY you are my hero ... I will vote for you I swear... Bring back Bill to save us all and make our beloved America whole again...
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Lemeul in '08
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Team Transylvania wrote:Lemeul in '08
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HILARY you are my hero ... I will vote for you I swear... Bring back Bill to save us all and make our beloved America whole again...
Are you for her because she is for driver liscenses for illegal aliens?

Or are you for her because she is against driver liscenses for illegal aliens?

She gave both of those answers to the same question at the last debate.
I'm just curious that way.

Last time Kerry gave different answers to different groups he was talking to. Now Hillary has shown him how to really waffle, give different to the same group in the same question. Why wait to show you have no spine, lay it all out right there at the debates.
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I'm with her because she has learned from the GREATEST !!! Bill is GOD and who better to run the country than the right hand of GOD ??
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