THE POLITICAL ARENA!!! Political Gladiators Inside!!

lonewolf · Post by **lonewolf** » Tuesday Oct 25, 2011

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lonewolf · Post by **lonewolf** » Tuesday Oct 25, 2011

Hawk · Post by **Hawk** » Tuesday Oct 25, 2011

lonewolf wrote:

Yepper...That's why they exempted insurance companies from anti trust laws

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lonewolf · Post by **lonewolf** » Tuesday Oct 25, 2011

Hawk wrote:
lonewolf wrote:
Yepper...That's why they exempted insurance companies from anti trust laws .

Only partially true. The exemption is only for federal anti-trust laws.

We have these other little thingies called "states" who have their own anti-trust laws. The intent of the federal legislation was to relegate it to the states. Since health insurance "transcends state lines" you'd think the feds would be all over this. Nope.

See what I mean? The feds don't get anything right!

Banned · Post by **Banned** » Tuesday Oct 25, 2011

Hawk wrote:Joe , Joe , JOE , JOSEPH ! . Shake it off Joe. You'll be okay.

There are hundreds of links to Ron Paul news letters with racist views.

I used this one.
http://adamholland.blogspot.com/2011/05 ... pauls.html

I mentioned the CNN video interviews where he is asked about them. He does not deny they exist.

Do some research on your god.

Yo Jew killing Nazi, I mean video posts of Ron Paul saying the things you lie about. BTW, do you spit or swallow after worshipping your Kenyan god?

Banned · Post by **Banned** » Tuesday Oct 25, 2011

bassist_25 wrote:Oop, and as I took a stroll down memory lane via the search function, I found another one. I remember you got butthurt over my post in this thread, but I had forgotten that you went down the education route again:

http://rockpage.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.ph ... ght=gadsen

Paul, do you have a life? You went back 6 and 7 years to find those. Wow, have we found your touchy button.

Maybe if you posted without trying to show off your big words you dad gum lernt at dat big skool, we wouldn't pay attention.

Hawk · Post by **Hawk** » Tuesday Oct 25, 2011

http://thehill.com/blogs/healthwatch/wo ... ing-miners

"Reform-minded lawmakers in both the House and Senate are pushing legislation to bolster the work-safety protections for miners working underground. But don't try to convince Rand Paul.

The Republican running to replace outgoing Sen. Jim Bunning (R-Ky.) in the coal-mining hub of Kentucky said recently that Washington has no business formulating mine safety rules.

"The bottom line is: I'm not an expert, so don't give me the power in Washington to be making rules," Paul said at a recent campaign stop in response to questions about April's deadly mining explosion in West Virginia, according to a profile in Details magazine. "You live here, and you have to work in the mines. You'd try to make good rules to protect your people here. If you don't, I'm thinking that no one will apply for those jobs." "

"I know that doesn't sound … I want to be compassionate, and I'm sorry for what happened, but I wonder: Was it just an accident?"

Banned · Post by **Banned** » Tuesday Oct 25, 2011

Hawk wrote:http://thehill.com/blogs/healthwatch/wo ... ing-miners

"Reform-minded lawmakers in both the House and Senate are pushing legislation to bolster the work-safety protections for miners working underground. But don't try to convince Rand Paul.

The Republican running to replace outgoing Sen. Jim Bunning (R-Ky.) in the coal-mining hub of Kentucky said recently that Washington has no business formulating mine safety rules.

"The bottom line is: I'm not an expert, so don't give me the power in Washington to be making rules," Paul said at a recent campaign stop in response to questions about April's deadly mining explosion in West Virginia, according to a profile in Details magazine. "You live here, and you have to work in the mines. You'd try to make good rules to protect your people here. If you don't, I'm thinking that no one will apply for those jobs." "

"I know that doesn't sound … I want to be compassionate, and I'm sorry for what happened, but I wonder: Was it just an accident?"

And this has what to do with your lies about Ron Paul being a racist?

Anyway, I agree with Rand Paul in the above statement. The people in W. V. know more about mining that some bureaucrat in DC. Of course that is common sense, you would not know anything about that.

Do you believe your nanny government will end all accidents, hatreds, racism, poverty and illness? They regulate all of those, and they fail miserably daily.

Hawk · Post by **Hawk** » Tuesday Oct 25, 2011

undercoverjoe wrote:
Hawk wrote:http://thehill.com/blogs/healthwatch/wo ... ing-miners

"Reform-minded lawmakers in both the House and Senate are pushing legislation to bolster the work-safety protections for miners working underground. But don't try to convince Rand Paul.

The Republican running to replace outgoing Sen. Jim Bunning (R-Ky.) in the coal-mining hub of Kentucky said recently that Washington has no business formulating mine safety rules.

"The bottom line is: I'm not an expert, so don't give me the power in Washington to be making rules," Paul said at a recent campaign stop in response to questions about April's deadly mining explosion in West Virginia, according to a profile in Details magazine. "You live here, and you have to work in the mines. You'd try to make good rules to protect your people here. If you don't, I'm thinking that no one will apply for those jobs." "

"I know that doesn't sound … I want to be compassionate, and I'm sorry for what happened, but I wonder: Was it just an accident?"
And this has what to do with your lies about Ron Paul being a racist?

Anyway, I agree with Rand Paul in the above statement. The people in W. V. know more about mining that some bureaucrat in DC. Of course that is common sense, you would not know anything about that.

Do you believe your nanny government will end all accidents, hatreds, racism, poverty and illness? They regulate all of those, and they fail miserably daily.

Our government has reduced accidents with safety regulations.

Racism / hatred will always exist. I do like laws against race discrimination. How about you ?

Illness ? Yes, I'd like access to doctors ans health care to be a right rather than a privilege. How about you ?

Poverty ? In situations where a person cannot take care of them self I think it is incumbent upon our society via the federal government to help. How about you ?

Banned · Post by **Banned** » Tuesday Oct 25, 2011

A statement attributed to Albert Einstein is that insanity is trying to achieve different results by doing the same old thing over and over.

You love insane government. It tries to legislate and regulate with law and regulation upon law and regulation. Yet we still have poverty, illness, accidents, death and racism.

All those laws and regulations have not worked. But they keep on legislating and regulating. It has ruined this economy and country. Will they ever stop? It has put us $14.9 TRILLION IN DEBT.

Are you insane or just incredibly stupid?

Hawk · Post by **Hawk** » Tuesday Oct 25, 2011

undercoverjoe wrote:
And this has what to do with your lies about Ron Paul being a racist?
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I'm not sure I ever called Ron Paul a racist. I repeatedly say that Libertarians view of property rights allows for race discrimination. Something you cannot deny.

I showed you pages ago that Ron Paul accepted money from a white supremacist group.

I gave you video of Ron Paul saying he was against the civil rights law for the sake of property rights laws.

I gave you transcripts from his news letters espousing racist remarks along with his point that he doesn't know who wrote it. Which is funny in so many ways.

What else do you want ?

Banned · Post by **Banned** » Tuesday Oct 25, 2011

Hawk wrote:
undercoverjoe wrote:
And this has what to do with your lies about Ron Paul being a racist?
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I
What else do you want ?

A video of him actually saying the things you lied about. If not, admit you lied and apologize.

You are in a band with a person who believes in most of those libertarian ideas. Why would you play with a racist, a poisoner of children, a killer of miners, and a person who wants everyone addicted to hard drugs? Where are your principles?

Hawk · Post by **Hawk** » Tuesday Oct 25, 2011

undercoverjoe wrote:
You love insane government. It tries to legislate and regulate with law and regulation upon law and regulation. Yet we still have poverty, illness, accidents, death and racism.

You know Joe, you embarrass real Libertarians. I was told you are poor spokesman for Libertarianism by one I respect.

Now look at how stupid your statement is. What the hell does it even mean ?

Our government has reduced accidents with safety regulations.

Racism / hatred will always exist. I do like laws against race discrimination. How about you ?

Illness ? Yes, I'd like access to doctors ans health care to be a right rather than a privilege. How about you ?

Poverty ? In situations where a person cannot take care of them self I think it is incumbent upon our society via the federal government to help. How about you ?

Hawk · Post by **Hawk** » Tuesday Oct 25, 2011

undercoverjoe wrote:
Hawk wrote:
undercoverjoe wrote:
And this has what to do with your lies about Ron Paul being a racist?
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I
What else do you want ?
A video of him actually saying the things you lied about. If not, admit you lied and apologize.

You are in a band with a person who believes in most of those libertarian ideas. Why would you play with a racist, a poisoner of children, a killer of miners, and a person who wants everyone addicted to hard drugs? Where are your principles?

Sorry Joe, he's not like you at all. Regardless of what you might think.

bassist_25 · Post by **bassist_25** » Tuesday Oct 25, 2011

undercoverjoe wrote: Paul, do you have a life? You went back 6 and 7 years to find those. Wow, have we found your touchy button.

Maybe if you posted without trying to show off your big words you dad gum lernt at dat big skool, we wouldn't pay attention.

*lol* They were from like a year ago and took a whole 30 seconds to find. You wanted evidence of the allegation I made, since you seem to remember something I said about libertarianism 6 years ago and a tax credit that Johnny got years ago; however, you somehow have selective amnesia about others, so I accomodated you when you asked.

As far as the big words, I say meh. Anytime you start losing an argument, you go for the insults as a red herring. With Bill or Johnny, it's calling them stupid or some sort of facist epithet that you don't even understand. You just try and paint me as an educated elitist. I'm a Lock Haven and IUP grad. So yeah, I have a really elite pedigree.

Hawk · Post by **Hawk** » Tuesday Oct 25, 2011

undercoverjoe wrote:
Hawk wrote:
undercoverjoe wrote:
And this has what to do with your lies about Ron Paul being a racist?
.
I
What else do you want ?
A video of him actually saying the things you lied about. If not, admit you lied and apologize.

You are in a band with a person who believes in most of those libertarian ideas. Why would you play with a racist, a poisoner of children, a killer of miners, and a person who wants everyone addicted to hard drugs? Where are your principles?

I'm not sure I ever called Ron Paul a racist.

I gave you video of Ron Paul saying he was against the civil rights law for the sake of property rights laws.

Banned · Post by **Banned** » Tuesday Oct 25, 2011

You post endlessly about how libertarianism leads to racism, poisoning, mining deaths, hard drug addictions. You state you don't like those things. Yet you play in a band with someone who is a much better spokesperson for libertarian ideals than I.

So either you are incredibly retarded or have no spine and do not live by your principles.

Which is it Bill, retarded or spineless?

Banned · Post by **Banned** » Tuesday Oct 25, 2011

bassist_25 wrote: You just try and paint me as an educated elitist.

No, its just that you try to act like one.

BTW, for the record, just what is a fiscal moderate or whatever you said you were?

Hawk · Post by **Hawk** » Tuesday Oct 25, 2011

undercoverjoe wrote:You post endlessly about how libertarianism leads to racism, poisoning, mining deaths, hard drug addictions. You state you don't like those things. Yet you play in a band with someone who is a much better spokesperson for libertarian ideals than I.

So either you are incredibly retarded or have no spine and do not live by your principles.

Which is it Bill, retarded or spineless?

This isn't the place to talk about my band mate.

You are the most spineless ass to ever post on Rockpage. You never answer the questions. You remind me of the weak cowboy. My questions are like a loaded gun pointed at your feet. When I "fire" (a question) you dance. And dance you do.

Racism / hatred will always exist. I do like laws against race discrimination especially in privately owned business open to the public. How about you ?

Illness ? Yes, I'd like access to doctors ans health care to be a right rather than a privilege. How about you ?

Poverty ? In situations where a person cannot take care of them self I think it is incumbent upon our society via the federal government to help. How about you ?

Do you think property rights trump civil rights ?

Hawk · Post by **Hawk** » Tuesday Oct 25, 2011

http://themoderatevoice.com/109988/ron- ... ights-act/

Pasted fron the attached article and the video:

Ron Paul Would Have Voted Against the Civil Rights Act

May 14th, 2011 Republican President candidate Ron Paul says he wouldn’t have voted for the 1964 Civil Rights Act:

Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) suggested Friday that he wouldn’t have voted in favor of the 1964 Civil Rights Act if he were a member of Congress at the time.

Paul, the libertarian Texas Republican who formally announced Friday that he would seek the presidency for a third time, said he thought Jim Crow laws were illegal, and warned against turning strict libertarians into demagogues.

MSNBC anchor Chris Matthewsz pressed Paul during a TV appearance on whether he would have voted against the ’64 law, a landmark piece of legislation that took strides toward ending segregation.

“Yeah, but I wouldn’t vote against getting rid of the Jim Crow laws,” Paul said. He explained that he would have opposed the Civil Rights Act “because of the property rights element, not because they got rid of the Jim Crow laws.”

Paul’s son, Sen. Rand Paulz (R-Ky.), faced criticism during his campaign for Senate last fall because of similar remarks he made, also during an appearance on MSNBC. Rand Paul had advanced a similar argument about property rights, and, under political pressure, issued a follow-up statement in which he voiced support for the 1964 Civil Rights Act, and would not support any efforts to repeal it.

Banned · Post by **Banned** » Tuesday Oct 25, 2011

And.....

Does that make him a racist? He said the Civil Rights Law was not a good law the way it was written, and at other times said it probably should have gone through the Amendment process. Is someone not allowed to have that opinion?

Did you vote for Al Gore? His father as a Senator voted against the Civil Rights Bill. Most southern Democrats voted against it. Makes you feel proud to be a democrat, huh?

Do you have something against property rights? You seem quick to label someone a racist if they like property rights.

Where is your spine? You rail against libertarian ideals, yet play with someone who has those type of political beliefs.

Are you really libertarian and just pretend you are an asshole liberal on RP?

Banned · Post by **Banned** » Tuesday Oct 25, 2011

BTW Bill, I do value property rights, a Constitutional guaranteed right, over civil rights (which was never ratified as an amendment).

Read a little about property rights.

http://www.fff.org/freedom/fd0811e.asp

"Again, the words of the Framers reveal that the most sacred, the most important, and the most politically relevant of all our natural rights, the right most in need of protection, and the right that most allows man to realize self-determination and to be truly free is the right to keep the money (property) that he has earned. The Framers’ obsession with safeguarding property led them to write about this one right in The Federalist Papers nine times as often as they did voting rights, speech rights, privacy rights, religious rights, and press rights combined. An analysis of the 85 essays that make up The Federalist Papers can be instructive. "

Even the mentally challenged should be able to understand that the quote comes from the provided link. Bill

Banned · Post by **Banned** » Tuesday Oct 25, 2011

Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one; for when we suffer, or are exposed to the same miseries by a government, which we might expect in a country without government, our calamity is heightened by reflecting that we furnish the means by which we suffer.

— Thomas Paine, Common Sense [February 14, 1776]

Merge · Post by **Merge** » Tuesday Oct 25, 2011

I have another question: If piling on debt would cause the Dollar to no longer be the accepted currency, why is the government piling on debt??

lonewolf · Post by **lonewolf** » Tuesday Oct 25, 2011

Merge wrote:I have another question: If piling on debt would cause the Dollar to no longer be the accepted currency, why is the government piling on debt??

There is a true story about Richard Nixon visiting the Lincoln Memorial in the middle of the night and talking with about a dozen Vietnam war protesters. I don't know what all was actually said except that he truly wanted to end the war.

In Oliver Stone's movie NIXON, the script went like this:

Girl: You don't want the war. We don't want the war.
The Vietnamese don't want the war. So why does it go on?

SS: You should be going, Mr. President. Okay. Please...

Girl: You can't stop it, can you? Even if you wanted to. 'Cause i�ts not you, it�s the system. The system won't let you stop it.

Nixon: Tha�ts right. There's... There's more at stake here...than what you want or what I want.

Girl: Then wha�ts the point? Wha�ts the point of being president? You're powerless!

Nixon: No! No, I'm not powerless. Because I understand the system, I believe I can, uh...I can control it, maybe not control it totally...but tame it enough to make it do some good.

Girl: Sounds like you're talking about a wild animal.

Nixon: Yeah, maybe I am.

****later in a presidential limo leaving the memorial*****

Nixon: She got it, Bob. A nineteen-year-old college kid.

Bob: What? Who?

Nixon: She understood something tha�ts taken me 25 years in politics to understand. The C.I.A., the Mafia, those Wall Street bastards.

Bob: Sir?

Nixon: The beast. Nineteen year old kid. She called it a wild animal.