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I was just having a discussion with Baceman Spiff about Music I like, as well as music I don't like. When asked the question "How can you like so and so but not such and such?" I had no real solid answer besides, "I just don't like it." I guess some music you just feel and other shit just turns you off immediately. I think it's the same as physical attraction to a girl (or guy depending on your gender and sexual orientation). I fucking love bands from just about every genre, yet there are others I can't stand.

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LOVE: / Hate:

AllMan Bros. / Skynard
Old Metallica / MegaDeth
Judas Priest / Queensryche
Hank Williams SR./ Conway Twitty
Full Blown Chaos / Hatebreed
Pantera / Damageplan
Danzig / Black Label Society
Queen / Rush

I guess what I'm asking is anyone else feel like a jerk or at least get annoyed when they are expected to come up with a logical reason for not liking certain music, besides "Because"?

Or am I just retarded?
(Not meant to be offensive to real retarded people, You know who you are.) :cry:
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I once came up with a theory of art existing on three subjective levels of experience (emotional, psychological, and pop). I originally had grand plans to study it, possibly in graduate school, but then I realized that such a proposition wasn't really empircally testable; therefore, I ended up thinking that it may serve a better fuction as philosophy rather than a science. Unfortunately, I really don't have time to develop such a formal philosophy, and I doubt that most academic philosophy publications would take me very seriously in this stage of the game, since you know, philosophy isn't even my field anyways.

For me though, I can dig most music as long as it's put together well. Even if I don't really dig an artist, I can at least respect what they do if it's quality. For example, David Bowie: I could never get into his material, but I respect him as an artist and what he has done for music. The one thing that I'm consciously aware of that will turn me off of music is pretentiousness. I just can't stand music that's pretentious. I hate stuff like the White Stripes, because it just sounds so fucking pretentious to me. Radiohead is another band that I just never "got." I have pretty wide musical tastes, but bands like them just sound like Sonic Youth-wannabes, sans Sonic Youth's talent and original creativity. There's some good stuff in the indie/college rock field, but it's also filled with pretentiousness.
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you're f'n retarded.
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Perhaps, Paul, you could figure out how Western music appeals to most cultures on some level (like your "pop" level), while Eastern music, which seems to be more complex, doesn't really fly outside Eastern cultures. I "get" that many songs in India are difficult to sing and require a great deal of training vocally... but it still sounds like someone letting the air out of a balloon to me, atonal and uncontrolled whining.
How can something move an Indian man my age to tears with it's beauty, yet sound so horrible to me?------>JMS
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Darth Tatum wrote:you're f'n retarded.
I fucking knew it!!!
Shit, my dad was right all along.
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songsmith wrote:Perhaps, Paul, you could figure out how Western music appeals to most cultures on some level (like your "pop" level), while Eastern music, which seems to be more complex, doesn't really fly outside Eastern cultures. I "get" that many songs in India are difficult to sing and require a great deal of training vocally... but it still sounds like someone letting the air out of a balloon to me, atonal and uncontrolled whining.
How can something move an Indian man my age to tears with it's beauty, yet sound so horrible to me?------>JMS
It's a cultural thing, us Americans wouldn't understand. :D
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Rob the Commie.
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songsmith wrote:Perhaps, Paul, you could figure out how Western music appeals to most cultures on some level (like your "pop" level), while Eastern music, which seems to be more complex, doesn't really fly outside Eastern cultures. I "get" that many songs in India are difficult to sing and require a great deal of training vocally... but it still sounds like someone letting the air out of a balloon to me, atonal and uncontrolled whining.
How can something move an Indian man my age to tears with it's beauty, yet sound so horrible to me?------>JMS
I know for me that I had to become a more "mature" listener of music to appreciate some of the more intricate melodies and harmonies that are out there, even in some popular music. A great example is the motiff chord in Pink Floyd's Shine on you Crazy Diamond. I remember when I first heard that song, and I just couldn't stand how dissonant that chord was. Then as I grew older, it started making sense. I remember that Mahavishnu Orchestra had a song called Resolution, which was nothing but a series of slightly dissonant chords that sounded like that they were going to resolve to a consequent, but every chord change just brought more tension.

I really am not sure about Western music versus Eastern music. It's definitely strange to be accustomed to the 12-tone, half-step chromatic scale of Western music and then adjust to the quarter-step scale of Eastern music. Most Western music is based around tertian harmony, where every note has a relative third, so that probably has a lot to do with things too. I don't know if it's an instrinsic thing or cultural influence. I'd lay money though that there's been some research done on it, perhaps related to the field of music therapy. I think that most people enjoy the resolution from a sus4 chord to a third or a V7 chord going back up to the tonic.

But can you really emprically study what makes a good musical hook? If so, there'd be a lot more John Hiatts and Princes walking around. One of my favorite quotes, by Kid Rock of all people (whom I don't think gets the credit he deserves for being as talented as he is) is "If it looks good, you'll see it; if it sounds good, you'll hear it; if it's marketed right, you'll buy it; but if it's real, you'll feel it." That's the most important things about music, and if music can't move somebody, then it isn't worth shit.
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bassist_25 wrote:I know for me that I had to become a more "mature" listener of music to appreciate some of the more intricate melodies and harmonies that are out there, even in some popular music.
Paul hit puberty finally!!!!!! Yay!!! :D
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I'm kinda the same way, love some bands, can't stand others...

And Kid Rock doesn't get the credit he deserves.
Dood...
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I know what you are saying man. I'm the same way. I used to get extremely theoretical about the whole thing but, for me now I either like it or not. I've found that most things in life are better when they use the KISS principle.

I also find it hard to be a fan of an entire genre of anything. I usually like a select few bands out of each and hate the rest.
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cool topic...

Love/Hate

Carcass/ Deicide
Johnny Cash/ Hank Williams Jr
Ozzy era Sabbath/Dio era Sabbath
Six Feet Under/ Cannibal Corpse
Led Zeppelin/ Pink Floyd
Judas Priest/ Iron Maiden
Old Aerosmith/ New Aerosmith
Allman Bros/ Skynyrd (Agreed)
Motley Crue/ Bon Jovi

I get extremely irritated when someone has to ask me a thousand times why I dont like Iron Maiden... its cool everyone else does; I just despise their sound. I am not the biggest Ozzy fan but for some reason his voice has always been Black Sabbath to me, I cant even find it in my heart to actually give Dio's voice a chance; my brain wont let me.
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bassist_25 wrote:I remember when I first heard that song, and I just couldn't stand how dissonant that chord was. Then as I grew older, it started making sense.
If anyone (besides Steve) is familiar with the great Nightcrawlers song 'Lovers Test' the quote reminded me of the very dissonant part of the song and how it took me awhile to get used to, but it is so great the moment those chords resolve into perfection. Awesome songwriting.

Love/Hate

Allman Bros/Skynyrd (SO agree)
Dwane Edmiston/Keller Williams
Clash/Sex Pistols
Bluegrass/Country

I will say hate is a strong word here, for me anyway...not too much music I hate except the waste that BEAVER 94.5 in State College plays.
If music be the food of love, then play on...
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