Tired!!!

[Rich]

DaveyP.... Last paragraph.... "Nail in the coffin!!!"... And the nail box is about empty...

[Rich]

Sorry guys... I didn't know this was going to turn into a "bitch-fest" about silly $hit.... I wasn't talking about covers/originals/venues/places/fans, etc.

Read the last paragraph of Davey P from "Vents" reply...

[BDR]

That's what happens when people try to come together for an intelligent discussion about a good topic and one instigator shows up to stir $hit up just for the sake of stirring $hit up.

It happens every damn time.

r:>)

[bassist_25]

by who?

By Jimi Hatt. I'm the "Paul" he was referring to in his earlier post.

Anyways, I wasn't going to post again in this thread, but I have to disagree with bands not supporting other bands...or at least in my case, that's not true. The Friday before last, I went and saw Friday's Child. Last Friday I saw Hair Force One, and since we were off on Saturday, I saw Silver Sunday. Last month some time, I saw Echo Chamber. There's still a number of other projects that are on my "to see" list (including the previously mentioned Jimi Hatt's project), and I'm planning to make it to their shows. Of course, as has already been stated, it's hard to see other performers when you're gigging.

I do respect a certain type of musician (which has nothing at all to do with what style of music they play, or if they play covers or originals), and I think that's obvious by how I post and my actions if one were to meet me in the real world. If someone doesn't like that attitude, then I really don't give an airborne copulation. I never claimed to have all of the answers. Almost everything I post on this site related to music is preceded with the phrase, "In my experience," because what we're talking about isn't an exact science; and someone's experience may be different than mine. Someone can think about something that I say, or choose not to; it's really no skin off of my nose.

[nightcrawler_steve]

Paul, your punctuation is impeccable....I'm green with envy. You're sooooooo sexy when you write in a grammatically correct way!

Seriously though, this is/was a good thread and good topic. Let's not let a few spoil it for the rest of us.

How about a "What's Going on in Your Scene" thread? Good idea? Bad idea? I think that Rich guy could use a break

~Steve


my edit was for spelling....oops.

[BDR]

DaveyP.... Last paragraph....

Exactly, it is a whole new world trying to find people with similar goals, willing to put the time in and stay focused. That's why I said earlier that you may have to resign yourself to the reality that the right players may not be in your own backyard anymore. This was different even 10 years ago.

Of course, in this era of the World Wide Web (thanx, Al Gore, for inventing that, BTW), it's easier to hook up with people farther away, hence, you're not as resricted to your home area for the search.

Good luck, man.

r:>)

[bassist_25]

Yes, I should probably apologize for my original post in this thread, but as MeYatch said, Rich's was pretty vague. It seems that about every three months or so, a frustrated musician comes on here and starts blaming people for his or her lack of success. Obviously, there was more to this thread than that. So I'm sorry for my smart ass comment.

[BDR]

Yes, I should probably apologize for my original post in this thread, but as MeYatch said, Rich's was pretty vague. It seems that about every three months or so, a frustrated musician comes on here and starts blaming people for his or her lack of success. Obviously, there was more to this thread than that. So I'm sorry for my smart ass comment.

+1. but as Future Bobby said, the original post was really vague.

r:>)

[VENTGtr]

There's still a number of other projects that are on my
"to see" list (including the previously mentioned Jimi Hatt's project), and I'm
planning to make it to their shows. Of course, as has already been stated,
it's hard to see other performers when you're gigging.

How about it. One of my favourite nights in recent memory was getting to
split part of a show with Splink!, meet the venerable Mr. Hatt and crew.
Was a lot of fun.

It is tough to make it out to see other bands. There are several I'd like to
catch but if we're not playing, as has been alluded, there are family
responsibilities and just that you WANT to spend your free time with your
family.

Doing this can take a lot out of people, especially if they don't start until
their older it seems (By older, I guess that could start in the mid-late 20s
and beyond). There's work and a commitment involved and should be an
understanding that there's a building process to each and every new project.
If someone's not up on that and thinks every show is goin' to be wall-to-wall
people and a coupl'a hundred bucks each at the end of a night and has never
tried to cover paying the sound guy with their own money, there's a big reality
crash.

In evolution, it's the stronger, more adaptable that survive. Unfortunately,
those cast-offs can take down a good many of those who knock themselves
out to make these things work. In the end, you kind'a gotta think we're
the ones who are nuts.

Hope you keep at it Rich. You've been putting so much into the 7YD,
then new proj. you certainly deserve the payoff.

Hmm. Time to leave. I could go for a beer...then mebbe another.

[DirtySanchez]

Hmm. Time to leave. I could go for a beer...then mebbe another.

That's the best advice I've heard all day. Thanks Dave

[SpellboundByMetal]

Ok...please quit being Fags...i didnt mention covers vs. originals. YOU ladies did. All i did is specify that the comment i made that Rob agreed with was to CREATORS of music. Not cover-musicians. I thought Rich was going for original.
REGARDLESS of who the fuck hears them.
I have NO prob with coverbands! You guys are the ones who always say I do. Yeah, maybe I think its not as good as original, but shit guys, bands are bands. music is music. GET THE FUCK OVER IT. i didnt mention Covers vs. originals. YOU DID.
Ive said before that coverbands make more $$. even said that ion this thread. why do coverband members need to always talk about how well their paid????
DUH, we all know how well youre paid. Youre playing popular music....and that sells. Why spend time writing songs when you can have a setlist allready written AND it known and popular, right????
Thats YOUR choice, i dont condemn you. i have friends in coverbands.

BDRob, you can say my stuff sucks and no one hears it all you want. Is that supposed to bother me? It doesnt Rob. I have fun writing and recording. Even if a million people dont know my songs and im not getting paid shitloads. You cant say ANYTHING to make me feel bad about that dude.

[Rich]

Yes, yes it was... "My" fault... But I didn't realize it was going to stir up all this... But, all in all, some good came out of it for me. And that was what I was looking for a wide variety of opinions from many sources and sides. And that's just what I got... Which was really cool...

I guess I can come clean now an actually "rant and rave"....

I have been at this for quit awhile. I have been in 2/3 bands that in the past did well. One just recent. But for some reason when things start going well, someone decides to quit. ??!!Why!!?? Not to "better" there selves in another band but just because...(BTW, I have no problem with people leaving a band to better themselves with another band that is doing better. We are all looking for that "better gig".) And then they look back and say, "Now, try and find someone to replace me." Then you talk to 101 people, everyone is interested, they just want to play, blah, blah, blah..... Then they don't even have enough respect to email you that there not interested for real. And just let you hang!!! The really rubs me the wrong way... If you have a add up looking, than be true to what your advertising!!! If you don't want to play than don't advertise... I answered one add on the "RP" from a drummer "He was going crazy not playing and wanted to get into something".... Everything in his add was right up our alley... The dude replied one time and was into it and then just fell off the earth!!! No, it's to far to travel, nothing... I would even take a "Your band sucks!!!" At least I know where I stand... Then like Davey P said in a past post.... People coming and going week after week after week.... Pain in the A$$!!! No respect for anyone else. There are a few more people counting on you than just YOU. There are 3/4 other people in the band!!!

The one person who I did find VERY cool was "Bill"... I think has "RP" name is "HAWK"... (Very cool dude! ) He answered my add and we talked and he did exactly what he said he would. It just wasn't going to work. He was upfront and said that. At least I know what was what and why.... And I could move on to the next person/thing...

There it is in a nutshell.....

[DrumAndDestroy]

Thanks everyone. I am still fairly new to Rockpage, but now my covers vs. orginals cherry has been popped.

[MeYatch]

Being related to or best friends with the guys in the band makes it EASY to keep it together and working well. Starting from scratch is different.

I disagree with this. Its great to get along with your bandmates, but I think what makes it EASY is to make sure everyone is all on the same page when you start. How much you want to play, the style you want to play, the places you want to play, how much you want to practice.

I think starting a band with a clear set of goals in mind are much better than starting a band with your friends and just seeing what happens.

[SpellboundByMetal]

Well, of course goals are always a part of it! Without having the same ideas, theres no point in a band.

[MeYatch]

I have been at this for quit awhile. I have been in 2/3 bands that in the past did well. One just recent. But for some reason when things start going well, someone decides to quit. ??!!Why!!?? Not to "better" there selves in another band but just because...(BTW, I have no problem with people leaving a band to better themselves with another band that is doing better. We are all looking for that "better gig".) And then they look back and say, "Now, try and find someone to replace me."

thats interesting, no offence intended, but that turns me off from wanting to work with you in the future. I wouldn't begrudge anyone from leaving me to join a national act or something, but to go join Band Y down the street because they make an extra $20 per man would offend me a lot.

Then you talk to 101 people, everyone is interested, they just want to play, blah, blah, blah..... Then they don't even have enough respect to email you that there not interested for real. And just let you hang!!! The really rubs me the wrong way... If you have a add up looking, than be true to what your advertising!!! If you don't want to play than don't advertise... I answered one add on the "RP" from a drummer "He was going crazy not playing and wanted to get into something".... Everything in his add was right up our alley... The dude replied one time and was into it and then just fell off the earth!!! No, it's to far to travel, nothing... I would even take a "Your band sucks!!!" At least I know where I stand... Then like Davey P said in a past post.... People coming and going week after week after week.... Pain in the A$$!!! No respect for anyone else. There are a few more people counting on you than just YOU. There are 3/4 other people in the band!!!

Believe me, I have been there before, most anyone on here has been through that before. We went through drummers like spinal tap back in the day. After stumpy pete choked on vomit (someone else's) We had a drummer that sounds exactly like your's. He was in to the same style we were, sent a couple emails back and forth, was set to meet us one day, never showed up, never sent another email. He just dropped off the face of the earth.

The one person who I did find VERY cool was "Bill"... I think has "RP" name is "HAWK"... (Very cool dude! ) He answered my add and we talked and he did exactly what he said he would. It just wasn't going to work.

Bill was very nice at the rock for the troops show, but I decided a long time ago not to participate in political threads, because he drives me nuts.

[Rich]

"Meyatch".... I didn't mean for that "extra $20"... (I wouldn't do it.) I was throwing stones. And I didn't want my comment to be judge the wrong way...

[DirtySanchez]

Thanks everyone. I am still fairly new to Rockpage, but now my covers vs. orginals cherry has been popped.

With this crowd, you better get some lube.

[BDR]

... he said, "lube".

r:>)

[BDR]

Keith: I want to apologize for allowing my irritation with your comments to influence me to make inappropriate remarks about your original music yesterday. That was out of place.

r:>)

[IScreamSLAYERatCoverBands]

You know why this "scene" is a joke?!?!?!

Because everybody is on a fucking message board arguing as to whether this scene sucks ass or not!!!!!

Are you fucking kidding me?!?! THERE IS NO SCENE. THERE WAS NEVER A SCENE, AND THERE NEVER WILL BE A SCENE. There will just be bands... playing at bars, VFWs, Firehalls, Churches, and any place with an OUTLET and a front door...

A SCENE ISN'T 300 PEOPLE GETTING TOGETHER... IT'S A STATE OF MIND. A SCENE IS COMMUNITY. A SCENE IS "ROCK FOR THE TROOPS" or "FOOD NOT BOMBS". A SCENE IS GETTING TOGETHER AND BETTERING NOT ONLY YOURSELF, BUT YOUR COMMUNITY AND USING MUSIC AS A PLACE TO DRIVE IDEALS AND PHILOSOPHIES. AND I PROMISE YOU IF 20 BANDS IN THIS AREA WHO PLAY "FREEBIRD" AND 20 BANDS IN THIS AREA WHO PLAY "MY ORIGINALITY CAN'T STOP MY GAYNESS" THINK THIS PLACE IS A FUCKING SCENE, THEN YOU ALL....

ALL.... NEED TO RE-EVALUATE YOUR PERSPECTIVE ON SHIT...

just my 2 cents

[Bag]

A gypsy queen in a glaze of vaseline, performing on a guillotine...

Now that would be a scene!

[Rich]

Right on, brother.... That would be a scene!!!

[BDR]

The music scene is what you make of it. Finding serious musicians, writing, recording, booking, travelling, all can be a pain in the ass or it can be fun.

A SCENE ISN'T 300 PEOPLE GETTING TOGETHER... IT'S A STATE OF MIND. A SCENE IS COMMUNITY. A SCENE IS "ROCK FOR THE TROOPS" or "FOOD NOT BOMBS". A SCENE IS GETTING TOGETHER AND BETTERING NOT ONLY YOURSELF, BUT YOUR COMMUNITY AND USING MUSIC AS A PLACE TO DRIVE IDEALS AND PHILOSOPHIES.

All of this and much more exists in this "non-scene." If that's not apparent to you, then you're not doing your part to contribute and you're definitely on the outside looking in.

r:>)

[lonewolf]

r:>)

.......^
What does the littlle "r" represent?