anyone used the Behringer FCB1010 Midi controller?

SpellboundByMetal · Post by **SpellboundByMetal** » Sunday May 13, 2007

I recently bought one of these, and im having a hard as hell time figuring it out. I was wondering if anyone had any advice or maybe someone actually had the same thing and can walk me through it. The manual doesnt help me at all!!!

ToonaRockGuy · Post by **ToonaRockGuy** » Sunday May 13, 2007

Keith, if you have questions about any and all things MIDI, Lonewolf is the guy to talk to. Shoot him a PM or email.

bassist_25 · Post by **bassist_25** » Sunday May 13, 2007

old sKool has two of those that he uses with his SansAmp PSA preamp and T.C. G-Force processor.

lonewolf · Post by **lonewolf** » Monday May 14, 2007

It should be plug & play with your Behringer preamp. All you should have to do is run a cable from the MIDI OUT on the pedal to the MIDI IN on the preamp and start changing programs. If that doesn't work, you may have to change the MIDI receive channel on your preamp.

SpellboundByMetal · Post by **SpellboundByMetal** » Monday May 14, 2007

I can switch presets and everything. I saved the preset i modified on the V amp....now i wanna save that preset to pedal 1. it doesnt seem to wanna work. do i have to mess with the preset that pedal 1 has with it allready?

lonewolf · Post by **lonewolf** » Monday May 14, 2007

SpellboundByMetal wrote:I can switch presets and everything. I saved the preset i modified on the V amp....now i wanna save that preset to pedal 1. it doesnt seem to wanna work. do i have to mess with the preset that pedal 1 has with it allready?

Don't change the pedal, change the preamp. You need to save your presets under the right program number.

i.e. If you go to program 87 and find an acoustic guitar sound you like and you want to put it under pedal #1, you need to copy (or save) program 87 to program 1.

This method is easier to maintain than trying to re-map the pedal. You only want to do that with devices that have limited program numbers like 3-4 channel preamps.

SpellboundByMetal · Post by **SpellboundByMetal** » Monday May 14, 2007

Well, thats what i need help with. I have been changing the presets on the preamp. Im having a hard time saving that preset to pedal 1.

old Skool · Post by **old Skool** » Monday May 14, 2007

Not sure how that V-amp works but with my Sansamp presets 01-49 are factory programmed/protected so I have to store everything above #49. For example I use 64 as a clean patch, 67 as a Mesa patch and 69 as a Marshall patch. To access these presets I select bank 6 on the controller then "4" for the clean, "7" for the Mesa and so on. You actually do not save any information to the pedal board. I've had pretty good luck with mine so far. Once you get it figured out I think you'll be pretty happy with it. Alot people think that all my effects, etc come from that foot controller when actually all it does is change the presets on the preamp and effect processor. You are right about the book. It's a huge pain in the ass trying to understand what the hell they are talking about. Check your book on the V-amp and see if you can overwrite program 1 to save your patch there. That may be part of the problem.

lonewolf · Post by **lonewolf** » Monday May 14, 2007

SpellboundByMetal wrote:Well, thats what i need help with. I have been changing the presets on the preamp. Im having a hard time saving that preset to pedal 1.

Don't do anything with the pedal. All it does is out of the box is send midi program change commands. 1=preset 1, 2=preset 2, 9=preset 9 and so on. Don't change this--this is what you want it to do. (The use of the word Preset is the same as the word Program is the same as the word Patch.)

You need to look in the preamp's manual under "Storing Presets" or "Saving Programs" (or similar wording) and find out how to change the preset number when you save a preset.

SpellboundByMetal · Post by **SpellboundByMetal** » Monday May 14, 2007

Yeah, all i wanna do is save the patches ive made to pedals. so when i hit pedal 1, i have my metal sound. when i hit pedal 2, i want my clean sound, pedal 3 is distortion and delay and so on. All my stuff is set on the preamp, i just have to be able to change the patches with the floorboard. the manual for it SUCKS. ive tried doing it by that and it doesnt help me.

lonewolf · Post by **lonewolf** » Monday May 14, 2007

SpellboundByMetal wrote:Yeah, all i wanna do is save the patches ive made to pedals. so when i hit pedal 1, i have my metal sound. when i hit pedal 2, i want my clean sound, pedal 3 is distortion and delay and so on. All my stuff is set on the preamp, i just have to be able to change the patches with the floorboard. the manual for it SUCKS. ive tried doing it by that and it doesnt help me.

Pedalboards don't have memories that retain your preamp settings...they don't work the way you are describing.

Unless you've messed up the factory settings, all your MIDI pedal is supposed to do is send a MIDI program change number for each pedal. If you've changed any settings on the pedalboard, I suggest you find the section called "Restore to factory settings" and follow it. Aside from that, put your pedal's manual away and don't look at it anymore.

When you step on "1" the pedal sends:

MIDI Program Change #1

The signal goes thru the MIDI cable to your preamp and tells your preamp to call up Preset #1. If you want your metal sound to come up, you will have to save it under the preamp's patch preset #1. I believe that patch preset #1 is 1-A on your particular preamp.

When you step on "2" the pedal sends:

MIDI Program Change #2

The signal goes thru the MIDI cable to your preamp and tells your preamp to call up Preset #2. If you want your clean sound to come up, you will have to save it under the preamp's patch preset #2. I believe that patch preset #2 is 1-B on your particular preamp.

Your preamp stores patches like this (different than most):

patch 1-A is equivalent to MIDI program change #1 (1 on pedal)
patch 1-B is equivalent to MIDI program change #2 (2 on pedal)
.
.
patch 1-E is equivalent to MIDI program change #5 (5 on pedal)
patch 2-A is equivalent to MIDI program change #6 (6 on pedal)

If the metal sound you programmed is patch 11-D, you will need to save it as patch 1-A to get the footpedal's "1" button to call it.

All you have to do is save your

metal sound to the preamp's program (patch) #1 (1-A)
clean sound to the preamp's program (patch ) #2 (1-B)
distortion/delay to the preamp's program (patch) #3 (1-C)

and so on.

SpellboundByMetal · Post by **SpellboundByMetal** » Wednesday May 16, 2007

Awesome, that helps alot, Lonewolf!
Now if i can just get this preamp to do what i want it to do. there is a lag in patch changes. and it SUCKS. sPike (from RP and in a band with) has this same unit and said that if you have the same amp sim, theres no lag. well, the high gain amp sim im using doesnt clean up perfect. its still distorted a bit. i cant have my clean parts with ANY distortion...and i certainly cant have a lag it patch changes. should i just run a dist box and always use a clean amp sim???? the V amp sounds good.....but its the little shit thats pissing me off. well, its not so little to me

any guitarist would HATE lag!
any help Lonewolf would be awesome!

metalchurch · Post by **metalchurch** » Wednesday May 16, 2007

Get the Behringer Game Genie.
I got one for my ADA.

lonewolf · Post by **lonewolf** » Wednesday May 16, 2007

SpellboundByMetal wrote:Awesome, that helps alot, Lonewolf!
Now if i can just get this preamp to do what i want it to do. there is a lag in patch changes. and it SUCKS. sPike (from RP and in a band with) has this same unit and said that if you have the same amp sim, theres no lag. well, the high gain amp sim im using doesnt clean up perfect. its still distorted a bit. i cant have my clean parts with ANY distortion...and i certainly cant have a lag it patch changes. should i just run a dist box and always use a clean amp sim???? the V amp sounds good.....but its the little shit thats pissing me off. well, its not so little to me any guitarist would HATE lag!
any help Lonewolf would be awesome!

Unfortunately, lagging is the price you pay for the cheap sticker price. The older Digitech units lagged AND had a half second dead time--I haven't bought any since. The Boss GT-8/PRO units are dead nuts right on the money--that's what I use now. $400 gets you the pedal and the processor in one unit. The GT models kick everyone else's ass in spades too...including in some cases the tube amps they model. Not to mention far and away the most comprehensive effects devices on the planet.

Aside from the reverb, the rest of the GT's FX beat (hands down) the ones on the much esteemed TC G-Force--especially that noisy pedal-wah.

You may have to acquire a talent for stepping on the pedal a half a beat earlier.

SpellboundByMetal · Post by **SpellboundByMetal** » Wednesday May 16, 2007

I was using a Boss GT-6 which was awesome. I just wanted to go rack.
I am not gonna deal with the lag.

bassist_25 · Post by **bassist_25** » Wednesday May 16, 2007

Unfortunatley, seemless switching is something that comes with higher end units, and lag time was one of the things that I was cautionary about when you were looking at the V Amp. Many of your $1000+ rack processors will have one patch sustain for a few seconds into the patch you're switching to, which gives a very professional sounding transition.

If you don't want to deal with the lag time and it's still possible to return the Beheringer, you could look for a used MIDI preamp such as a Mesa TriAxis, Marshall JMP1, SansAmp PSA1, or ADA; then use a floor processor until you get the disposable income to put into one of the afermentioned Boss units, a TC Electronics unit, or a Lexicon unit. You'll be spending a little bit more on the used preamp, but I think that the end result would be well worth it. As Jeff said, I would stay way from the Digitech units. I've seen guys run $200 Digitech floor processors in front of Dual and Triple Rectifiers, which is like dropping a Chevy Cavalier engine into a Ferrari. When you start putting a rig together, you have to be real cognizant of any bottlenecks in your system. It doesn't matter if you're using a Bogner Fish as your preamp if your power amp is one of those cheap POS they sell on Ebay under the title of "DJ Amp."

lonewolf · Post by **lonewolf** » Wednesday May 16, 2007

SpellboundByMetal wrote:I was using a Boss GT-6 which was awesome. I just wanted to go rack.
I am not gonna deal with the lag.

I didn't know you had a GT-6. Here are my new instructions:

1. Plug your guitar into the GT-6 input. Plug the output from the GT-6 into the BBE's input and take the BBE's output into your power amp and then the amp to your speakers.

2. Find a patch on the GT-6 that you like.

3. Set the GT-6 "output select" to taste. "Stack Return" will work if you have a 4-12 cabinet, but try all the settings until you are comfortable with the sound.

4. Crank it up and let er rip!

5. Send the Behringer stuff back for a full refund--they give you 45 days.

SpellboundByMetal · Post by **SpellboundByMetal** » Wednesday May 16, 2007

should i run the boss in stereo? the main reason i wanted to go rackmounted stuff, its to eliminate wires running all over the place. what a dream that was.

songsmith · Post by **songsmith** » Wednesday May 16, 2007

I made my own pre-wire for that reason. In Sidestep, I always had the modded keyboard stand in front of me onstage, and my setup was always the same. After running cables for mic, guitar, lap steel, and pedal AC supply for each for a few gigs, I got the bright idea of setting them all up just the way I like, allowed a foot or so extra on the front end, and wrapped the whole stalk of cables together every 6". When I got to where they went into the amp or PA, I left a few feet of slack for the fan-out on that end. Crude, but it saved me lots of time if you add it all up, and saved me tripping onstage. In total, I had a 1/4" cable from the pedalboard to the amp, a 1/4 " cable for amp channel switching, an XLR cable that went from my vocal boom to wherever the snake box was, and an AC zip cord for pedal power and, stuff.
You could do the same with your rig, it's simple enough, but remember to keep an extra cable or two in your stage gear box... I never trust a cable completely.-------->JMS

SpellboundByMetal · Post by **SpellboundByMetal** » Wednesday May 16, 2007

Thats a great idea, man! I need to construct something like that!

lonewolf · Post by **lonewolf** » Thursday May 17, 2007

SpellboundByMetal wrote:should i run the boss in stereo? the main reason i wanted to go rackmounted stuff, its to eliminate wires running all over the place. what a dream that was.

The only time you need to run it stereo is when recording. You really can't tell the difference on a local live stage environment anyway, so why bother?

I follow the KISS method (keep it simple, stupid), so the fewer items between my guitar and the speakers, the better. I am running the GT-8 in mono with just one guitar cable back to the power amp and a 3' speaker cable into the custom 2-12 cab. The GT-8 has every friggin amp, speaker and effect model I could ever possibly dream of using, so why bother with a bunch of other stuff?

1 guitar cable = 1 midi cable anyway

It might also help if you told us what kind of speaker riggings you have.