ToonaRockGuy wrote:It's always funny to me that a lot of the metal (especially the nu-metal and alternative) bands (and some of their fans) bash the 80's metal/glam/hair scene...
Especially when, from a purely musical standpoint, the glam/hair metal musicians were 100 times better than what the grunge/nu-metal guys are. Some of the best guitarists I've ever seen were in the 80's metal era. And most of the modern guys that are playing alternative can't hold a candle to them.
Just my opinion, though.
Isn't just your opinion Kev. I've been saying the same thing for years. I am tired of hearing what modern rock sounds like anymore. D-tuned garbage is all that ever seems to spew out of modern rock radio these days. I account that for the trend, but I also account that for a lack of a good guitarist and a better singer. That's why for me, if it is modern, it's Euro. Because it seems that the people across the pond never forgot what makes music so great. Good hooks, big sound, and technical musicianship. Not saying that all 80's Big Hair was technical (see Faster Pussycat), but I'd put Winger up against any band in the technical area. The image is what it was and still is. It's for the women and for the face time either on still or video camera. Look at some of the modern bands out there right now. Pick up Metal Edge magazine and tell me most bands you see in there aren't copying the eye liner and trashy clothes that defined 80's hair. May not look exactly the same, but it's a biproduct. Look at all the 80s shirts resurfacing in Hot Topics and custom T-shirt shops all over the country. The trend is and has been coming back around. 80s acts that do the summer tour circuit are doing very well for themselves and are seeing an increase in attendance from the 18 and under crowd. And for the record to the people talking about Pantera, it's been a well-known fact that Dime and Vinnie Paul were supporters of a number of hair metal acts at the time, as well as being into 70s rock and heavier metal of the time. They didn't "come to their senses." They made a move away from the image to focus on the heavier side of metal. It wasn't a "screw you" to the bands at the time. Half the band appreciated the music. In any case, the 80s image and sound is slowly coming back to the mainstream. Sorry for those that don't or can't appreciate that, but it does happen in cycles. That isn't always a bad thing, though. That same movement may bring bands like Obituary, Deicide, Death, Grim Reaper, and others back to the minds of music lovers too. It's already been happening with Maiden and young people. I see more Maiden shirts at the school I work at than Fallout Boy shirts and the like. I think there is a place for all the metal of that time. Don't worry all. There's enough room on the playground for us all to have fun.
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There is no doubt that 80's sound is back in fashion. Ive posted on that before. And again you are right everything runs in cycles. A twenty year cycle by my observation. In the '70's. It was all about the fifties. American Grafitti, Happy Days, Sha Na Na. In the eighties it was about sixties retro fashion. Remember all of the peace symbol t-shirts? Then there all of the Veitnam reconciliation movement. You had bands like Trouble and TV shows like The Wonder Years. Then in the nineties the grunge guys made Neil Young pertinent again. The Black Crowes and Lenny Kravitz were toping the charts with retro rock. In the Movies it was Dazed and Confused and Almost Famous. And on TV it was That Seventies Show. Now in this decade the 80's are back. ( what is this decade called anyway?) As evidenced in the resurgence of metal and the big hair revival thats sweeping the nation. In five years or so everthing thats cool now, will not be anymore. And the nineties will be back. Just wait you'll see.
Oh and Pantera did come to their senses. I'll take D-tuned garbage over poser rock anyday!
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I just saw it on the Clearfield County Fair website: Skid Row and Quiet Riot on Friday, Aug. 3. (Also, the Doobie Brothers are there July 31 or Aug. 1, and Meatloaf is there Aug. 4 for you classic rock enthusiasts...)
Baceman Spiff wrote:Oh and Pantera did come to their senses. I'll take D-tuned garbage over poser rock anyday!
If someone writes a song that happens to have normal tuning, non-depressing lyrics, and a guitar solo, and it sounds like something along the lines of Winger, Poison, or Def Leppard, but they believe in what they wrote, how is that posing? As long as you believe in your songs, it's all good.
Baceman Spiff wrote:Oh and Pantera did come to their senses. I'll take D-tuned garbage over poser rock anyday!
If someone writes a song that happens to have normal tuning, non-depressing lyrics, and a guitar solo, and it sounds like something along the lines of Winger, Poison, or Def Leppard, but they believe in what they wrote, how is that posing? As long as you believe in your songs, it's all good.
Right on Kev.
There are so many bands that went through a more "glam" phase of their careers because that was cutting edge at the time. They weren't trying to "pose" as some have suggested. It was a cool thing to do back then (at least for a while). Bands like Pantera, Slayer, Anthrax, Wrathchild AMerica, Alice in Chains (yeah, they were WAY glammed out before they hopped aboard the grunge gravytrain) all went through a glam phase. Pantera, Slayer, & Wrathchild probably abandoned the glam image to stay on the forefront. Not coincidentally, at about that same time those bands dropped the glam image is when Metallica had just broken and made it cool to look plain & even ugly (look at Kill 'em All album photo - more zits on that photo than a junior high yearbook).
20 years from now, it is inevitable that the scene will have changed so much that today's nu-metal heroes will be called posers of some sort.
Baz hasn't been affiliated with Skid Row in years after he was fired in 1996. Not since the Subhuman Race album. Skid Row now has Johnny Solinger on vocals. Rob Affuso (drums) is not there either, he's been replaced by Dave Gara. So the only orginals you get are Scotti Hill, Dave Sabo and Rachel Bolan.
When bands get made up sluttier than a NY streetwalker, then pose in front of camera that way. Thats posing. The posing had nothing to do with the music. That was why I used the term. Which is what we (me and every metal head I knew) called them back in the eighties. To each their own.
And when the hell was SLAYER ever glammed out??
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I never got too into the Hair Metal but If I had to pick a favorite band from the 80s it would be Testament or Slayer...... Oh and Helloween too.... Helloween is the shite. Hair Metal tho would have to be Guns N Roses...
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Baceman Spiff wrote:
And when the hell was SLAYER ever glammed out??
From Wikipedia:
"Early days (1981–1982)
Slayer formed in 1981, when guitarist Kerry King met Jeff Hanneman auditioning for a band. The two recruited bassist and vocalist Tom Araya, who had played with King in a band called Quits, and drummer Dave Lombardo, who met King delivering pizzas.[4] The band began playing cover versions of Iron Maiden and Judas Priest songs at clubs and parties in Southern California. Early shows relied on a Satanic image, featuring pentagrams, make-up, spikes, and inverted crosses."
There are so many bands that went through a more "glam" phase of their careers because that was cutting edge at the time. They weren't trying to "pose" as some have suggested. It was a cool thing to do back then (at least for a while). Bands like Pantera, Slayer, Anthrax, Wrathchild AMerica, Alice in Chains (yeah, they were WAY glammed out before they hopped aboard the grunge gravytrain) all went through a glam phase. Pantera, Slayer, & Wrathchild probably abandoned the glam image to stay on the forefront. Not coincidentally, at about that same time those bands dropped the glam image is when Metallica had just broken and made it cool to look plain & even ugly (look at Kill 'em All album photo - more zits on that photo than a junior high yearbook).
20 years from now, it is inevitable that the scene will have changed so much that today's nu-metal heroes will be called posers of some sort.
Baceman Spiff wrote:
And when the hell was SLAYER ever glammed out??
In early pictures they used eye liner but quickly abandoned it after they saw how riduculous it was.
They probably didn't want to look like Lizzy Borden
Right on. I have seen many early pix of Slayer (before the first album) where they are proudly sporting a look much like the picture of Overkill posted above by Bag (or like Lizzy Borden as Plastered has suggested). The early Pantera pictures are just as bad - maybe worse.
Damn... you went all wikipedia on me and shit. Ive seen the pics from the Show No Mercy era. But that make up is along the same lines of Kiss and Alice Cooper. I wouldnt call it Glam. Ok so maybe Im picking nits. But its not the same to me.
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Sorry for those that don't or can't appreciate that, but it does happen in cycles. That isn't always a bad thing, though. That same movement may bring bands like Obituary, Deicide, Death, Grim Reaper, and others back to the minds of music lovers too.
I agree with that... and because there will always be ppl who wanna rebel against the "glam". Its pretty funny, that usually the thing that seperates the two is simply the vocals and image. A lot of the guitar riffs and soloing keys and patterns are the same.
I would have to vote for King Diamond (especially the Conspiracy days) for my fav "hair metal band" or old Crue. Old Crue kicks ass. WASP was kinda cool too. George Lynch and Steve Vai were so good u didnt even want to look at ur guitar sometimes. (I still get goosebumps when I watch Steve Vai as Jack Butler cuttin heads)
All these guys getting more technically proficient today has made me rethink how I approach my own playing. I saw a 15 yr old the other day blazing out some neoclassical and "glam" licks in Monroeville... its coming wheter u are ready or not. I thought The Darkness had really started it out again, and then it kinda fizzled a little bit. It should be pretty fucking cool whatever happens.
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Perhaps they were. But he still rocks. They are all fucked up, but awesome musicians nonetheless. I like his concepts and how he gets into character with the story lines. His vocal range is killer. The King just rules.