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The Altoona Library has a decent collection of Jazz (and other genre) of CDs. Worth checking out. Burn 'em if you like. No charge for checking them out. I think you can take about 10 at a time.
I've discovered a few jazz artists there I never knew of before.
XM radio has some good all jazz channels as well.
Jazz Anyone ?
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I dig jazz. I do tend towards the more avant garde aspect of it. I like jazz that's more "out there" than most. John Zorn has done some amazing things with a saxaphone, Jaco Pastorius changed the world of bass forever. Mile Davis did some excellent work as well. The more I get into learning how to play and fully understand my instruments, the more i appreciate jazz and what you can do with it. I like to think that a little jazz has been slowly working it's way into my playing these days, but I would never even think of attempting to jam with any jazz guys at this point in the game.
John Zorn's album "Naked City" is NUTS!...but a lot fun to listen to.
Features Japanese avant garde...singer(?)....let's go with vocalist...Yamatsuka Eye.
Has Bill Frisell on guitar and a few other well known Jazz heavyweights.
Frenetic, spastic...and these were just the parts where I wasn't laughing too
much to pay attention. Mebbe I'm just not hip enough but this album...while
all should own, isn't something you put on just to listen.
My personal favourite is "Denomic Syndrome" (I think that's what it's called).
Features Japanese avant garde...singer(?)....let's go with vocalist...Yamatsuka Eye.
Has Bill Frisell on guitar and a few other well known Jazz heavyweights.
Frenetic, spastic...and these were just the parts where I wasn't laughing too
much to pay attention. Mebbe I'm just not hip enough but this album...while
all should own, isn't something you put on just to listen.
My personal favourite is "Denomic Syndrome" (I think that's what it's called).
DaveP.
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I especially love the Fusion Jazz period of the 70's, with Weather Report, Tower of Power, Carlos (I have wrote about his hidden gem "Oneness" which is amazing) and MacLaughlin with Mahavishnu.
Check out an album called "Swiss Movement" by Eddie Harris recorded live at '67 Montreux Jazz Fest.
The Allman Brothers were a fusion of blues and jazz, they all listened to a lot of Miles Davis and you can hear the influences in the chord progressions.
I am no musicologist, but I like myself a lot of jazz.
Check out an album called "Swiss Movement" by Eddie Harris recorded live at '67 Montreux Jazz Fest.
The Allman Brothers were a fusion of blues and jazz, they all listened to a lot of Miles Davis and you can hear the influences in the chord progressions.
I am no musicologist, but I like myself a lot of jazz.
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Don't apologize. You gave your opinion. You just got blasted for it.
Welcome to rockpage. I made a joke about Indians because something my guitarist said and people literally got in depth about Indian VS. Native American. Relax it's okay if your not into it. Most people aren't or it would be topping the charts. Name dropping Jazz musicians seems to be some sort of "cock measuring snobbery". Next let's discuss what type of wine to drink whilst masturbating to some Kenny G. Use rockpage for what it's for LOLZ
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Welcome to rockpage. I made a joke about Indians because something my guitarist said and people literally got in depth about Indian VS. Native American. Relax it's okay if your not into it. Most people aren't or it would be topping the charts. Name dropping Jazz musicians seems to be some sort of "cock measuring snobbery". Next let's discuss what type of wine to drink whilst masturbating to some Kenny G. Use rockpage for what it's for LOLZ
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I enjoy the improvisational aspect of jazz the most. It's one thing to sit and rehearse a solo until you can play it perfectly. How about having a progression thrown your way and minutes later it's your turn to solo. Are you going to just hide behind Pentatonics? I doubt. You have to know those chords inside and out because you are changing modes with every chord transition. And because nobody wants to sit and listen to someone practicing their scales and modes on stage you better be able find some melody in the mix.
Jazz takes a LOT of discipline just to understand and an obsessive personality to master.
I know a very good Jazz musician playing in this area who is worth taking a look at if you want to see some real jazz before it fades even further. His name is Bob and you can catch him playing at the Phoenix every other Sat. Unbelievable guitar player, seriously. If you do go be sure to give him the respect he deserves.
Now go play around with that 7th degree.....
Jazz takes a LOT of discipline just to understand and an obsessive personality to master.
I know a very good Jazz musician playing in this area who is worth taking a look at if you want to see some real jazz before it fades even further. His name is Bob and you can catch him playing at the Phoenix every other Sat. Unbelievable guitar player, seriously. If you do go be sure to give him the respect he deserves.
Now go play around with that 7th degree.....
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Good points!Eldorado wrote:I enjoy the improvisational aspect of jazz the most. It's one thing to sit and rehearse a solo until you can play it perfectly. How about having a progression thrown your way and minutes later it's your turn to solo. Are you going to just hide behind Pentatonics? I doubt. You have to know those chords inside and out because you are changing modes with every chord transition. And because nobody wants to sit and listen to someone practicing their scales and modes on stage you better be able find some melody in the mix.
You definitely have to have a good understanding of how harmonic and melodic theory work together, especially when playing a more complicated form like Coltrane changes. It's also interesting when a pianist or guitarist begins using chord substitutions and it's up to the soloist to go along for the ride.
From what research I've done, it turns out that Coltrane changes are actually a form of chord substititutions for a typical ii-V-I progression. Interesting.
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Bob is a solo act Hawk. He rotates between a classical set and a jazz set based on how he is feeling that night. Seriously one of the best you'll see around here. The jazz is similar to the style of Joe Pass. He tells me he thinks Pass is sloppy! Real good guy.
I have studied jazz for the simple fact that I know it would help me develope my skills as a musician. Seriously something for all musical styles.. Trying to play some twisted blues solos. Try using the mixalydian mode instead of the same old pentarut scales.
Even metal players can have a good time using the phrygian mode to shred over some heavy riffs. (some do, and don't even know it)
Not to mention the Crayola Crayon box of colors available for chording simply by adding another degree from the scale from the key in which you are playing..
That last sentence came out weird. I'm going to bed.
Cheers..
Bob is a solo act Hawk. He rotates between a classical set and a jazz set based on how he is feeling that night. Seriously one of the best you'll see around here. The jazz is similar to the style of Joe Pass. He tells me he thinks Pass is sloppy! Real good guy.
I have studied jazz for the simple fact that I know it would help me develope my skills as a musician. Seriously something for all musical styles.. Trying to play some twisted blues solos. Try using the mixalydian mode instead of the same old pentarut scales.
Even metal players can have a good time using the phrygian mode to shred over some heavy riffs. (some do, and don't even know it)
Not to mention the Crayola Crayon box of colors available for chording simply by adding another degree from the scale from the key in which you are playing..
That last sentence came out weird. I'm going to bed.
Cheers..
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the bob you r talking about i believe is bretz. he is a beautiful person and a dear friend and not only the best you'll see around here but the best you'll see anywhere. he is a monster player and class act 100%. i started out taking lessons from bob when i was six, he is in my earliest memories and through the years has become a good bud. can't say enough nice things about him. you can catch him down at the old glosser bros. building in the cafe/ restauraunt most fridays 6:00-8:00 or something like that.hes pretty much a legend around here. to me anyway. i believe he played with joe pass and took some lessons from segovia back in the day. def. check him out if you can.
hawk, anytime you wanna check him out, let me know, i'll go too!
hawk, anytime you wanna check him out, let me know, i'll go too!
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Re: Jazz Anyone ?
Hey Haqwk,
I have always had a theory about drumming... If you learn play jazz and funk at least moderately well, you will be a better rock drummer. I actually started listening to what I now call "jizz" (that stufff that Nelson Rangell or Kenny G would play), then I moved into real fusion like Weather Report or Michael Brecker or Corea or Clarke, then I went right into post-bop after I heard Musings for Miles by Joe Henderson which to this day blows me away. So I first went back in time to catch up on the founding stuff from Kenton, Davis, Monk and others before jazz really began to take off again in the late 90's with guys like Joshua Redman, Cyrus Chestnut, etc. That's when I listened to drummers like Erskind, Blades and Nash'ty with a fresh appreciation. So when I came back to rock around 2000 via indie/alternative music coming out of Scotland and the UK at the time that I really started to develop my own approach to drumming - well that and my experience in a gospel choir which really taught me how to sit in the pocket.
I think other musicians have learned the same stuff from cats like Vic Wootton, John McLaughlin, Marcus Miller, Allan Holdsworth, etc. If you can use some of that technique in what you do in rock I think it just makes everything tighter and smoother even as you maintain that rock edge to what you do.
I think that's why I like bands like Helmet, Meshuggah, Strapping Young Lad, Opeth, and earlier Mudvayne. It's all kind of on the edge of what might be more mainstream in heavier music - almost alt-metal to a degree.
I have always had a theory about drumming... If you learn play jazz and funk at least moderately well, you will be a better rock drummer. I actually started listening to what I now call "jizz" (that stufff that Nelson Rangell or Kenny G would play), then I moved into real fusion like Weather Report or Michael Brecker or Corea or Clarke, then I went right into post-bop after I heard Musings for Miles by Joe Henderson which to this day blows me away. So I first went back in time to catch up on the founding stuff from Kenton, Davis, Monk and others before jazz really began to take off again in the late 90's with guys like Joshua Redman, Cyrus Chestnut, etc. That's when I listened to drummers like Erskind, Blades and Nash'ty with a fresh appreciation. So when I came back to rock around 2000 via indie/alternative music coming out of Scotland and the UK at the time that I really started to develop my own approach to drumming - well that and my experience in a gospel choir which really taught me how to sit in the pocket.
I think other musicians have learned the same stuff from cats like Vic Wootton, John McLaughlin, Marcus Miller, Allan Holdsworth, etc. If you can use some of that technique in what you do in rock I think it just makes everything tighter and smoother even as you maintain that rock edge to what you do.
I think that's why I like bands like Helmet, Meshuggah, Strapping Young Lad, Opeth, and earlier Mudvayne. It's all kind of on the edge of what might be more mainstream in heavier music - almost alt-metal to a degree.
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Anything Jazz Thread.
Just curious how many Rockpagers are into Jazz ? Any kind of Jazz.