I just want to let everyone know, especially the admin that I am leaving.
I just cannot except censorship of any kind. Especially when priorities are not involved.
I personally think the admin is one of the worst admin of any board I have been on.
Simply because he has no priorities.
Here is a guy that will sit back and allow foul language to be used at his board, plus death threats ( which is against the law) to be stated.
I can't begin to tell you the foul language that was used in my personal email account. Plus the hateful death threats, which is against the law
What does the admin worry about, me capping a few words here in there. This is what I call un prioritized.
What I state in my critiques are fact not opinions. However, if you want to pass off my comments as opinions and not fact, go right ahead. However, in saying that it is my opinion, you people certainly like to attack me on my views.
Not only am I not suppose to give my so called opinions, I have to comply with how I type it. This is censorship and contradictions.
Again, get prioritized admin. You have foul language and death threats being used on this site. Don't worry about caps you have BIGGER PROBLEMS
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The Face in the Face
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From:
mad hatter
To:
metalrules
Posted:
Tuesday Feb 24, 2004
Subject:
Bring it on bitch
I'm really getting sick of your shit. I have a couple of days here where I dan't have anything to do. Tell me where you are, I'll come to you, give you a music lesson, make you look like a fool then I'll kick your fucking ass, bitch. Don't get back to me with your phony know-it-all about music jargon, just an address. All I really want to do at this point is kick your ass, both of them. Get back to me with that address, bitches.
mad hatter
To:
metalrules
Posted:
Tuesday Feb 24, 2004
Subject:
Bring it on bitch
I'm really getting sick of your shit. I have a couple of days here where I dan't have anything to do. Tell me where you are, I'll come to you, give you a music lesson, make you look like a fool then I'll kick your fucking ass, bitch. Don't get back to me with your phony know-it-all about music jargon, just an address. All I really want to do at this point is kick your ass, both of them. Get back to me with that address, bitches.
He knows its there. Besides many of the forum sections have foul language.
Also when you build this site, you can set the language security. He obviously didn't care about language
I have been called bitch, fuck, asshole, on this site in the threads.
Again, the admin could care less. He is un prioritized.
As long as I don't use caps that is all he worries about.
To even say something about banning someone because of the use of caps is the stupidest thing I have ever heard in my entire life.
Also when you build this site, you can set the language security. He obviously didn't care about language
I have been called bitch, fuck, asshole, on this site in the threads.
Again, the admin could care less. He is un prioritized.
As long as I don't use caps that is all he worries about.
To even say something about banning someone because of the use of caps is the stupidest thing I have ever heard in my entire life.
Mr. Know it all -
For real, take a refresher class in english before you rip apart any more songs. It's hilarious the way you critique other peoples work, jamming your perfect ideas and theories down our throats when you struggle with basic spelling and grammar. The difference between than / then is grade school level english for crying our loud. You can write better songs than any of the ones you have ripped apart? My 12 yr old son has better command of the written word than you. He didn't go to Berklee, just Baker Elementary School. He's already being scouted for scholarships for his writing. After all the bibble babble you have tried to jam down our throats I will make sure he does not go anywhere near Berklee if you and Aja are prime examples of what that school is pumping out these days.
Ron is the moderator/admin/ owner of this board - this board - not your email! Going by the postings others have left here I would guess that you actually mean PM's rather than emails. With all your greatness, education and knowledge you do not know the difference between them? Did you report any of these messages?
Before the english class maybe you should read the rules you agreed to when you joined our group. Too bad Berklee didn't have classes in common courtesy and social skills. If it did, your stay with us probably would have been longer lived and much more enjoyable for everyone.
You have the balls to whine about freedom of speach and censorship after how many umpteen posts you have littered this board insiting that everyone who dared to disagree with your opinion that they were wrong you and you were right? You were asked nicely several times to refrain from the caps - you insisted on pushing the issue and now you want to cry about it? Get a grip! Wahhh - pop a midol! You don't like the way Ron runs the board? Go start your own. All your posts have made it obvious that you have way too much free time on your hands. I will gladly build it for you and hand it over for your sole control if you don't know how, especially if it means you go away and leave this forum alone.
I will go now, quoting one of my favorite songs (which I am sure - If given the oppertunity,you would rip apart). I am positive that it speaks for quite a few of us who have not sent you death threats and probably some who have - Don't go away mad - Just go away!
For real, take a refresher class in english before you rip apart any more songs. It's hilarious the way you critique other peoples work, jamming your perfect ideas and theories down our throats when you struggle with basic spelling and grammar. The difference between than / then is grade school level english for crying our loud. You can write better songs than any of the ones you have ripped apart? My 12 yr old son has better command of the written word than you. He didn't go to Berklee, just Baker Elementary School. He's already being scouted for scholarships for his writing. After all the bibble babble you have tried to jam down our throats I will make sure he does not go anywhere near Berklee if you and Aja are prime examples of what that school is pumping out these days.
Ron is the moderator/admin/ owner of this board - this board - not your email! Going by the postings others have left here I would guess that you actually mean PM's rather than emails. With all your greatness, education and knowledge you do not know the difference between them? Did you report any of these messages?
Does anyone else see the contradiction here?What I state in my critiques are fact not opinions.
Not only am I not suppose to give my so called opinions
Before the english class maybe you should read the rules you agreed to when you joined our group. Too bad Berklee didn't have classes in common courtesy and social skills. If it did, your stay with us probably would have been longer lived and much more enjoyable for everyone.
You have the balls to whine about freedom of speach and censorship after how many umpteen posts you have littered this board insiting that everyone who dared to disagree with your opinion that they were wrong you and you were right? You were asked nicely several times to refrain from the caps - you insisted on pushing the issue and now you want to cry about it? Get a grip! Wahhh - pop a midol! You don't like the way Ron runs the board? Go start your own. All your posts have made it obvious that you have way too much free time on your hands. I will gladly build it for you and hand it over for your sole control if you don't know how, especially if it means you go away and leave this forum alone.
I will go now, quoting one of my favorite songs (which I am sure - If given the oppertunity,you would rip apart). I am positive that it speaks for quite a few of us who have not sent you death threats and probably some who have - Don't go away mad - Just go away!
Last edited by Danette on Sunday Feb 29, 2004, edited 1 time in total.
Danette, no one here is forcing anything down your throat.
I never once said, " you must do what I say". All I am saying and pointing out is flaws in the works of the so called famous. Take it for what it's worth.
All I did was point out flaws and you people jumped down my throat. You cussed at me with foul language, you offered death threats.
These death threats did not come in my regular email. They came in the private message section of this site. WHich the admin has access to. In fact he probably snooped to even see if I got private messages in my section.
He knows it is there. He has access to it.
Before you talk about grammar Danette, you need to learn it yourself. Try using commas now and then. It gets rid of the run on sentences
I never once said, " you must do what I say". All I am saying and pointing out is flaws in the works of the so called famous. Take it for what it's worth.
All I did was point out flaws and you people jumped down my throat. You cussed at me with foul language, you offered death threats.
These death threats did not come in my regular email. They came in the private message section of this site. WHich the admin has access to. In fact he probably snooped to even see if I got private messages in my section.
He knows it is there. He has access to it.
Before you talk about grammar Danette, you need to learn it yourself. Try using commas now and then. It gets rid of the run on sentences
And one more fact I forgot to mention. You people are the ones demanding me to see your ways. I point out flaws and you people jump down my throat. This action shows me I have to conform to what you want or how you see fit.
I on the other hand, have not jumped down anyones throat for not seeing my ways. All my angered comments were comebacks to your hateful comments. This behavior of mine shows that I am not forcing like you people are
I on the other hand, have not jumped down anyones throat for not seeing my ways. All my angered comments were comebacks to your hateful comments. This behavior of mine shows that I am not forcing like you people are
I never once threatened you
I never once cussed at you
Being an admin of a board myself and knowing that Ron is a very busy man - I highly doubt if he had the ability to read PM's I doubt he would have the time. Unlike you, he actually has a life outside of this forum.
As far as my grammar and run on sentences - I could care less. I am not a song writer, I am not an english teacher. I wasn't the one on here proclaiming superority, pointing out the flaws the rest of the world made. You did. You rewrote songs that have made more money and reached more successs than I doubt you will ever see in several lifetimes. I was merely pointing out your flaws for a change. I know many of us were tired of your ramblings of how you could always do it better. That even you, with all your degrees and years of education are no better than any of the songs, song writers, and musicians that you have gone into great detail to pick apart and insult.
I never once cussed at you
Being an admin of a board myself and knowing that Ron is a very busy man - I highly doubt if he had the ability to read PM's I doubt he would have the time. Unlike you, he actually has a life outside of this forum.
As far as my grammar and run on sentences - I could care less. I am not a song writer, I am not an english teacher. I wasn't the one on here proclaiming superority, pointing out the flaws the rest of the world made. You did. You rewrote songs that have made more money and reached more successs than I doubt you will ever see in several lifetimes. I was merely pointing out your flaws for a change. I know many of us were tired of your ramblings of how you could always do it better. That even you, with all your degrees and years of education are no better than any of the songs, song writers, and musicians that you have gone into great detail to pick apart and insult.
Fame and hits do not equal well craft.
All I am teaching here is craft. Fame and fortune is achieved in many other ways.
Brit spears is one example. Blow a record exec and you to can go to the top.
Hitler was famous did that make him right? I got news for you, I don't care who it is, or what they achieved, or how much money they made. It will not correct a lyrical time frame problem they might have. It will not correct a character flaw, person problem, unbuyabe story, non supportive or generic song.
Facts are facts. All I am doing is pointing them out. I am trying to get people to listen to music not just hear it.
All I am teaching here is craft. Fame and fortune is achieved in many other ways.
Brit spears is one example. Blow a record exec and you to can go to the top.
Hitler was famous did that make him right? I got news for you, I don't care who it is, or what they achieved, or how much money they made. It will not correct a lyrical time frame problem they might have. It will not correct a character flaw, person problem, unbuyabe story, non supportive or generic song.
Facts are facts. All I am doing is pointing them out. I am trying to get people to listen to music not just hear it.
Nice edit job on the threats and cussing at you part of your post before my last one.
I will admit that while your first few posts were thought provoking, the rest were redundant and repetitive, i.e. jamming down our throats. Your individual interpretations of any of the songs you critiqued are just that, individual. Other people will interpret them a different way. Who is right – who is wrong? You because you feel your facts were learned in a theory class at Berklee rather than through life lessons, otherwise known as “paying your dues”? Many of your “facts” were opinion based, exactly what you blasted many of the people of this forum for expressing. When anyone else dared to offer a different interpretation you went to great pains to show them why they were wrong. You were preaching not teaching. (i.e. the thread on fav. movie soundtracks for perfect example of this. Opinions were asked for, not theory.) Bravo for your passion, shame on you for your lack of couth and respect in some of your replies. You lost credibility with your pompous attitude and insults. If teaching was the goal of all your posts I think you failed to a large degree. What you did succeed in, other than annoying a majority of the members of this forum with your over zealous preaching, is alienating yourself from many on this board who probably would have be staunch supporters, allies, and potential life long friends. You passed judgement several times on members of this forum without knowing a single thing about them as individuals then cried foul when the favor was returned.
Hopefully your mind was opened a little as well after all the bickering.
I will admit that while your first few posts were thought provoking, the rest were redundant and repetitive, i.e. jamming down our throats. Your individual interpretations of any of the songs you critiqued are just that, individual. Other people will interpret them a different way. Who is right – who is wrong? You because you feel your facts were learned in a theory class at Berklee rather than through life lessons, otherwise known as “paying your dues”? Many of your “facts” were opinion based, exactly what you blasted many of the people of this forum for expressing. When anyone else dared to offer a different interpretation you went to great pains to show them why they were wrong. You were preaching not teaching. (i.e. the thread on fav. movie soundtracks for perfect example of this. Opinions were asked for, not theory.) Bravo for your passion, shame on you for your lack of couth and respect in some of your replies. You lost credibility with your pompous attitude and insults. If teaching was the goal of all your posts I think you failed to a large degree. What you did succeed in, other than annoying a majority of the members of this forum with your over zealous preaching, is alienating yourself from many on this board who probably would have be staunch supporters, allies, and potential life long friends. You passed judgement several times on members of this forum without knowing a single thing about them as individuals then cried foul when the favor was returned.
Hopefully your mind was opened a little as well after all the bickering.
Actually you guys were the first to strike with hostile aggression.
All I did was give a critique of the song picture. All of a sudden I was jumped by all of you. I was cussed at, offered death threats, etc
Again, You guys are the hypocrites. You guys were the first to blast on me. I was NOT EVEN referring to anyone of you people here.
My negative comments were towards famous people. I wish you people would get that in your head.
you are defending people YOU DONT EVEN KNOW. Who is sheryl crow to you? Do you know her personally? Is she a friend?
What you guys needed to do is butt out. No one should have even jumped on my ass for posting such a thread simply because it was not directed towards you. You guys were rude, hostile, and out right mean.
You post comments and private messages that do not even make sense to what i was saying. I would say Picture has a lyrical time frame problem. I had people pming me about how they were great guitar players and songwriters. They would name all their accomplishments.
I was left sitting at my computer thinking, what does that have to do with what I just said. I just talked about a lyrical time frame problem and you guys are saying you performed here, you performed there, I know this person and that person. I took theory , etc. Again, what does that have to do with what I said.
I am not even talking to you or about you.
All I did was give a critique of the song picture. All of a sudden I was jumped by all of you. I was cussed at, offered death threats, etc
Again, You guys are the hypocrites. You guys were the first to blast on me. I was NOT EVEN referring to anyone of you people here.
My negative comments were towards famous people. I wish you people would get that in your head.
you are defending people YOU DONT EVEN KNOW. Who is sheryl crow to you? Do you know her personally? Is she a friend?
What you guys needed to do is butt out. No one should have even jumped on my ass for posting such a thread simply because it was not directed towards you. You guys were rude, hostile, and out right mean.
You post comments and private messages that do not even make sense to what i was saying. I would say Picture has a lyrical time frame problem. I had people pming me about how they were great guitar players and songwriters. They would name all their accomplishments.
I was left sitting at my computer thinking, what does that have to do with what I just said. I just talked about a lyrical time frame problem and you guys are saying you performed here, you performed there, I know this person and that person. I took theory , etc. Again, what does that have to do with what I said.
I am not even talking to you or about you.
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bassist_25
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I come home tonight, mellow out a little, and listen to some I Mother Earth and find the board to be a war zone. Even when you are trying to leave the board you're still being prolix and dramatic. You're free to post what ever you want. I think it's all pseudo intellectual BIBBLE BABBLE but it doesn't mean I would stop you from posting it. The only problem I have with you posting is your excessive waste of bandwidth because you are posting the same ideas over and over. A number of musicians who frequent this site (including myself) recently performed at a benefit to keep this site up and running for another year. I hate to see our work get flushed down the john because of your innane crap. Like I said, I have no problem with you posting your garbage; just try to make every post a new thought, not the same BS that was the previous 75 posts. Personally, I think you need to go out in the world and meet some people. You have like 95 posts in 2 weeks, I think you are losing grip with reality. Too bad social skills can't be taught formally.
Danette is correct. I can't control what gets sent to a personal email account or PMs.
I also don't read every post on the board. I'm a very busy guy, and budget my hours. I have to try and keep my work here to no more than an hour per day. That includes writing code for future versions, which consumes a lot of time.
I always respond to emails or PMs when someone has a complaint or feels an injustice has been served, and I always help to the best of my ability. I didn't get any email or notice from metalrules. I did however, get 6 requests to ban him. I responded to those requests by taking a "wait and see" attitude. I probably should have just banned him after the first complaint, but instead I gave him a chance. Wrong move on my part.
He clearly fits the description of a troll:
Trolling is prohibited. Trolling is whenever someone is clearly, deliberately posting in a manner for the purpose of angering and/or insulting the other participants of the board. Trolling DOES NOT encourage further discussion in the long run, it only encourages personal attacks (if left unchecked).
I also don't read every post on the board. I'm a very busy guy, and budget my hours. I have to try and keep my work here to no more than an hour per day. That includes writing code for future versions, which consumes a lot of time.
I always respond to emails or PMs when someone has a complaint or feels an injustice has been served, and I always help to the best of my ability. I didn't get any email or notice from metalrules. I did however, get 6 requests to ban him. I responded to those requests by taking a "wait and see" attitude. I probably should have just banned him after the first complaint, but instead I gave him a chance. Wrong move on my part.
He clearly fits the description of a troll:
Trolling is prohibited. Trolling is whenever someone is clearly, deliberately posting in a manner for the purpose of angering and/or insulting the other participants of the board. Trolling DOES NOT encourage further discussion in the long run, it only encourages personal attacks (if left unchecked).
... and then the wheel fell off.