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Mr. Metalrules, or metalrules as he goes by, has a variation of "know it all disorder(1)," which is directly correllated to "berkely syndrome(2)" which he also has. What we see from metalrules is frustration combined with these disorders. Mr. metalrules often will jump at anything for attention, often garnering him negative attention, yet to this kind of person- any attention is good attention.

I believe he may be a dropout of Berkely or even kicked out from arguing with professors. I also think that he is frustrated because he cannot write a song, sure he can write a book about what he thinks about a song, yet he has no originality or creativity. These types are common among the few "bad apples" of Berkely. This person believes that going to Berkely is a "free ticket" when you actually do have to work in the competitive marketplace that the music business is.

So, he goes around bragging about himself, yet has no evidence to back it up, therefore my friends, until we have some legitimate music from him (that is good of course) we have no reason to read and waste our time with his troubled opinions. SO, please get us some music and a picture of that degree if you want any credibility sir.

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1. Know it all disorder- A common disorder found among the "intillectually elite" whereas the patient knows everything and anything about everything and anything. (I once was diagnosed with this disorder, but I found out that no one knows all, thus curing me :D )

2. Berkely Syndrome- The idea that going to Berkely will automatically make you musically superior to all peers, also the thought of the "Instant Musical Genious" which derives only from the credibility of the school. Another branch is the "instant rock star" in where the person believes they will be a multi-millionaire music idol just because they went to an acclaimed music school.
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Post by Jawwge »

Hey Metal!
If you spent as much time actualy playing your instruments as you do running your mouth, you just might someday be as good as you think you are.
I've seen your type before, you're the guy sitting at the bar, bragging to any one who'll listen, that you're better than the band.
Funny that no one ever hears your music, just your mouth.
I suspect that your mouth is the only thing you know how to play.

I got it now, Diarrhea of the mouth, Facist mentality, obbsession with political correctness, Chronic eliteism, rules are for the little people, self idolization, can't play a sax worth a shit!!!
I know who you are now!!!!
YOU"RE BILL CLINTON!!!


PLAY GUITAR!!!
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Metalrules also suffers from an obvious inferiority complex which is projected by his elitism. Carl Jung would refer to this as the Shadow. What is his inferiority complex? Well Rob, you may have very well stumbled upon it. Also, by gathering general empirical evidience, we can make a hypothesis from his 75 posts (95% of them being longer than a damn doctoral dissertation) that Metalrules also suffers from "Having no life" syndrome. He seeks validation from members of a message board, while still remaining annoyomous. On one hand, he enjoys ruffling peoples' feathers because he gets excitement from emotional sadism, but on the other hand, he's hoping that at least one person will validate his trite dissertations by agreeing with him. Either way, at least people are talking about him, which is much more than he can say about people in the "Real World".

Since we are all analyzing from objectional points, let's analyze an insult hurled at me from early this morning.
And one other thing, STOP FIGHTING ME ON ISSUES YOU NO NOTHING ABOUT.

Your like a STREET BUM trying to argue medical procedures with a Doctor
First let's take a look at the grammatical errors of this post. The first mistake that is obvious to any monkey who can equate a concept as simple as 2+2=5 is that he begins a sentence with a conjunction. While, more languid grammar teaches that this can be used for effect in more liberal situations, by classical definition, it is considered incorrect to begin a sentence with a conjuction. The second problem is the first sentence has no noun. Of course, we could let this slip because a command can be given in second person perspective and have no reference to the person reading it. The third problem is the word "No" is used when the correct word should be "know". Then we are brought to the second sentence. It's pretty much pefect (abeit, not very eloquent) with the exception of the first word. "Your" is used in the possessive sense, when it really should be used as a contraction. (ie You are or You're) Of course, any person who can argue worth a damn knows that picking on minor grammatical errors invalidates the argument, but Metalrules has been critical of semantics since the get go. I think it's only fair we use his own tactic to point out his stupidity.

Next, let's anaylze his analogy. First it's very cliche. He is attempting to draw a powerful contrast between two preexisting stereotypes. That being: Bums are stupid and doctors are smart. He doesn't take different variables into account. (Hey variables, just like not taking different variables into account when discussing 2+2=5!) He forgets that while a doctor may have a nice upper-middle class in comparison to the street bum's cardboard box, this in no way is an indicating factor of the bum's actual intelligence. IT IS AN ANALOGY THAT COMPARES SOCIAL STATUS, NOT INTELLIGENCE. Case in point; the bum may very well have an IQ of 178 but he may also suffer from alcoholism, which is what put him in his current state. He may very well have attended medical school and graduated at the top of his class. He may in fact be a more brillant physician than the practicing doctor. The fact being, the poster didn't cleary illustrate the bum's history. He did not take into account what brought the bum to his current state in life. Any logical person could make assumption that the bum is in fact, brilliant. On the bright side, I didn't find any TIMEFRAME problems with the post. That's one good thing I can say about.

Okay, I'm starting to waste to much time with this. This is becoming another "Reason" and I have more important things to talk about that some idiot on a forum. Besides, I don't have 23 free hours a day to write meaningless drivel on a board in which no one gives a shit about.
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Hey all,

Is anyone familiar with Johnstown's "Bag Lady"? She collected every piece of junk in Johnstown and stored it all in her house. It was so bad that the city cited her for numerous violations and had to clean it up themselves in HAZMAT suits. Well, she had a Ph.D. in Mathematics and used to teach at St. Francis University. But being that she was a bum, she probably didn't know that 2+2= 4, or 5 for conversation's sake.

Again Ron, another thread has strayed way off topic. This is so silly though that it is good for a laugh at least. Ron is going to tie all of us "strayers" up and have a public whipping. :D :D
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Very interesting Hal. I remember seeing a similar situation on TV. I believe it was in Ca., but the same type circumstances. It was a woman math prof who basically got kicked out of her neighborhood for code violations. They opened her garage door and the entire space was filled with garbage. I wonder if it's the same person.

To get back on the subject a bit, I'm beginning to think that some people (not necessarily Rob) may be confusing Berklee with Berkeley. I'm not talking spelling errors, but confusion about the schools themselves.

Berklee is a Boston music school started in 1945 by Lawrence Berk, which was accredited as a college in 1973. It was named for his son, Lee.

UC Berkeley is the oldest college in California, started in 1866. Named after philosopher Bishop Berkeley.
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Thank you Ron for clarifying that. I am from Berklee in Boston.

1. When I critique something it is not about me. i am always neutral. Style, personal taste, etc are not in the equation. FACTS are in the equation. Everything I state IS ALWAYS FACT BASED and never an opinion.

For example when I talk about arch enemy having NO SUPPORTIVE IMAGERY, that is FACT AND NOT AN OPINION. Their song only had something like 3 images that supported RAVENOUS hence eating metaphor. FACT IS A FACT.

Rob the drummer, you suffer from a LAZY AND JELOUS syndrome. You HIDE BEHIND WORDS LIKE, ART, FROM THE HEART, FROM THE SOUL, ETC

When I critiqued the song LATERALUS by Tool, i was BOTHERED BY THEIR CONFORMITY, the very thing the song preached against. They DID NOT PLAY ON THE LOOSE, NO RESTRICTION, NO CONFORMITY style.

If one writes about NOT BEING SO RIGID AND CONFORMING, wouldn't you want the SUPPORTIVE imagery to go along with it?

Lateralus TALKED THE TALK, but didn't WALK THE WALK. The song was filled with CONFORMING WAYS.

1 Versus matched identically. Though you want this in normal situations, YOU WOULDN'T WANT IT FOR THIS SONG

2 The story NEVER FURTHERED, it latched on an idea and REPEATED IT. Hence conformity. FACT, FACT, FACT

Your OTHER DISORDER WHICH YOU SUFFER FROM IS ( the I hear but don't listen syndrome)

That is you just hear music but you DO NOT LISTEN TO IT. If you did you would see, hear, and understand the flaws that are being performed

You also have the SYNDROME OF NOT RESPECTING SONGWRITING. Your anything goes generates the lack of respect for craft.
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I wish you would stop saying CRAFT. Simply because you do not believe in craft.

EMOTION and HEART are not craft.

Craft is CONTROL, DIRECTION, TECHNIQUE

For instance, take the song ONE by Metallica. I LOVE LISTENING TO THE SONG for its HEART AND SOUL AND AGGRESSION.

However, in terms of CRAFT, it fails desperately. The song should be SUNG IN THIRD PERSON TENSE. The singer should be singing ABOUT SOMEONE ELSE and NOT TRY TO PORTRAY THE PART.

The song is filled with lines like

I CAN'T REMEMBER ANYTHING
CAN'T TELL IF THIS IS TRUE OR A DREAM

yet....................... he goes on to tell a story. How could he if he can't remember?

I LOST MY SIGHT

yet................. he describes everything that is going on around him. Tubes stuck in him, etc.

LAND MIND HAS TAKEN MY SPEECH

yet............ he IS SINGING AND TALKING

TAKEN MY ARMS , TAKEN MY LEGS

yet................ we the audience see him with legs, arms, hands, voice, sight, etc

The part was UN PLAYABLE and should not have been attempted. This made the story UNBUYABLE AND FAR FETCHED

The song should have been sung in third person tense ABOUT ANOTHER SOLDIER who he knows and saw this happen to

Do I get what ONE IS ABOUT? Sure who doesn't. It is about a soldier who looses ALL FIVE SENSES from a land mine explosion. However, IT FAILED TO SUPPORT THAT CONCEPT WITH THE IMAGERY.

Again, the song just sounds awkward when he says HE CAN'T SEE BUT YET DESCRIBES EVERYTHING FROM TUBES BEING STUCK IN HIM, ETC


THAT IS WHAT CRAFT IS ABOUT. You don't respect the word CRAFT. So please don't use it
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Good god, man, don't be a jackass. Haven't you ever heard of "poetic license"??

Break down the song again, but come at it from a different angle. What Metallica is relating is the story of a soldier, based on the 1971 movie "Johnny Got His Gun", starring Timothy Bottoms, Kathy Fields, Marsha Hunt, and Dalton Trumbo. I've seen this movie, and while rather slow in the beginning, it is a very thought provoking film.

The song is written from the perspective of his mind. The story yes, relvolves around a soldier who has stepped on a land mine that has left him quadraplegic, without sight, speech, or hearing. So all that's left is his mind. It's written from the perspective of having a perfectly working brain, but not being able to communicate with the outside world in any way. And yes, I think that given enough time alone with one's mind, we would be able to figure out that tubes are sticking out of us. We don't need to see current events to be able to figure out what's happening to us. For example, you most likely know what it's like to hit your thumb with a hammer. You know what the impact looks like, you experience the pain. Yet from your inferences, if you lose your sight, you can't suddenly understand the physical sensation of someone smashing your thumb with a hammer? Wrong.

Yet Metallica took the poetic license to describe what was happening so the listener would fully understand and be impacted by the gravity of the situation. There's nothing wrong with that. Any tool that a musician/writer can use to draw the listener in and assist in fully understanding what that writer/musician is trying to say can only help, not harm.

It's really funny to me, Metalrules, that you persist in...sharing...your opinions and critiques with us. Funny to me due to the fact that you are constantly telling us to think outside "the box" and make our own rules to fully realize our potential, but in every single one of your critiques, you are making the rules that others should abide by. True "out of the box" thinking uses no rules, no limitations, even by someone educated at a fine institution like Berklee in Boston. You're really not freeing our minds, you're just trying to give us a new set of rules to work with.

Suggestions are always made and taken at Rockpage, and they are always welcome. It's how you dispense said suggestions and advice that determines whether everyone thinks you're an asshole or not.

Oh, and one more thing...this is a tight-knit community of musicians and fans. Don't be afraid to sign your name. Because here's a dispensation of advice I gave another troll about a year or so ago: If you have an opinion, share it, and don't be afraid to claim it as your own. But when you hide (or try to) behind an anonymous internet handle and refuse to come into the light, your opinions lose any and all credibility.

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Hey Mr. Rules...

Here's a rule for you. Stop shouting. And quit using the word craft like it's some kind of ideal that only you understand. Your critiques are boring as hell because you are trying to be analytical about music.

To deny the emotion brought about by a song in analyzing it, you are circumventing the main purpose of music in our lives. Music is supposed to bring about an emotional response. Without an emotional response, music is worthless. Just like your critiques.

I'm serious about the shouting.

I'd hate to see your multitude of posts suddenly vanish along with you. Well maybe not.

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I know where the song was inspired from, however supportively it is not well crafted.

I would have set the song up in third person for reasons of

1 On stage it looks awkward in first person , because all the five senses are there
2 he is too aware

Again, IF YOU ARE GOING TO WRITE A SONG ABOUT LOOSING ALL FIVE SENSES, youuuuuuuuu cannnnnnnot be AWARE of what is going on.

Even if the song is in the MIND SET of the person, HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN VISUAL SIGHT?

yes I agree that the writer tried to execute it from the mind set of the soldier, however HE IS TOO AWARE. That means FOR ACCURATE SAKE, you can't describe or know what is going on. Hence YOU SHOULD HAVE NOOOO SENSES

Now if he wants to ACCURATELY WRITE from the mind set of the soldier this is what should have been stated. These are issues and points that should be made.

I CAN'T SEE, WHY IS IT DARK, WHAT IS GOING ON?
WHERE AM I?
WHY DO I NOT FEEL LIKE I HAVE MY ARMS AND LEGS ON.
THERE IS NOTHING TO MOVE, NO LEGS, ARMS
WHY CAN'T I HEAR?
IS ANYONE THERE?
AM I DREAMING THIS?


What does metallica do, they describe everything that is going on in the room? BAD CHOICE. If you are playing the mind set of the actual victim then NO SIGHT , NO SOUND, NOTHING CAN BE STATED.

it all has to be from the PERSPECTIVE OF A TRUE VICTIM. That is what I am talking about.

Even the way HETFIELD SINGS THE SONG IS SOOO LAID BACK AND MELODY.

If a person is waking up WITH ALL FIVE SENSES GONE, the music has to be PANICY. There has to be a sound created that creates PANIC, CONFUSION, ETC

Only at the end of the song where they start saying LAND MINE HAS TAKEN MY SIGHT, ETC do they show ANGER.

HOwever, SCARED, CONFUSION, PANIC, is not created for 90 percent of the song. It is SUNG in a manner of an innocent buy stander, maybe a friend, etc.
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Post by Banned »

That is not shouting, IT IS HIGHLIGHTING.

So what you are saying is YOU AGREE WITH CENSORSHIP AND NO FREEDOM OF SPEECH
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No, THIS IS SHOUTING.

This is highlighting.

So is this.

Or even this.

And don't mess with Ron. Ron rules.
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my way is the way I highlight. If i was shouting than EVERYTHING WOULD BE CAPITALIZED

Only bits and parts are CAPPED.

this is shouting

MY WAY IS THE WAY I HIGHLIGH. IF I WAS SHOUTING THAN EVERYTHING WOULD BE CAPITALIZED.

As you can see from the fist phase, only BITS WERE CAPPED

hence, highlighting
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You are incorrect.
Stop the shouting or be banned.
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metalrules wrote: So what you are saying is YOU AGREE WITH CENSORSHIP AND NO FREEDOM OF SPEECH
Censorship and freedom of speech play no part in this. This message board is privately owned and operated. When you signed up for an account, you agreed to the terms and conditions that govern this community. Ron has given you plenty of opportunity to express your views in any way you see fit. But when it's all said and done, this is Ron's message board and his word is final.

You are still free to create your own message board to post your views. In fact, you are still free to speak or publish your ideas using any resources you may have available to you. Your rights are still intact.

And that's a FACT. :D
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Stop shouting or be banned? That is censorship , like it or not.

My question to the admin is this. Where is your priorities?

I have tons of emails from people who are using foul language such as

fuck, dick, shit, asshole, bitch, etc Plus they are talking about punching in my teeth

I guess you can say those nasty foul language as long as you don't use caps.

just listen to yourself.

Again, I am highlighting not yelling. So please don't tell me what I am doing. I am telling you. I am not yelling i am highlighting
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The more I read Spock's long-winded diatribes, inane defenses of his long-winded, pompous lyrical dissections, and hiding behind cries of censorship to try to justify his own spoiled behavior, I now know why this individual has disappeared from several other music message boards I have seen.

I agreed with his initial point, long ago, that knowledge was beneficial and that knowledge of theory and the ability to read and write music could be helpful for any musician. But ever since that first post, Spock's logic has been steadily spiralling down the drain.

Ron owns this board, and has the right to set the guidelines for posting on it. If you don't like it, nobody is forcing you to post your diatribes here. Good riddance.
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Like I told him, he is un prioritized. One can make death threats and cuss with the foulest of mouths, but type in caps and you are banned for life

Do you realize how stupid that sounds. It sounds so ridiculous coming off my lips. Other than you and the rest of this site, you people are the only ones who would see it your way.

When you create these boards, it is with the intent they are to be clean. The real host is the one who designed this forum. This site is like any other yahoo, geocities page. They do not want to see cussing and foul language, not to mention death threats. They would utterly be amazed and appalled at your logic of caps.

Think of it this way. I have never heard anyone go to jail for typing in caps. However, one could spend time in jail or at least be fined for death threats. Even foul language
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I thought you were leaving? Please do.

I've got better things to do than respond to your pompous attitude. If these forums don't suit you, why can't you leave? Go back and fight the spyware and pop-ups on your own board.
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