I can't play an X minor7 with a flatted 9th, but I can make people cry with something I wrote (I've done it lots). I don't know a Mixolydian from a Mixmaster, but my songs have been played by people I've never met. I wrote a song that says the phrase, "Hard Time" like 42 times... it was in heavy rotation (not just homegrown shows) for almost 6 months, and garnered hundreds of spins on requests alone. I thought it was kinda stupid, but, hey, what do I know.
If it moved somebody, if someone pays attention, it's good. Technicality is an impressive thing, but I prefer a little stank on my art. When I was a kid, I couldn't tell you how Bugs Bunny was animated, but I knew he was funny. See where I'm going here?----->JMS
Understanding your instrument part 2
Metalrules wrote:
Last night I was in Johnstown and I happened on a Jazz group (Yeah, Jazz, in Central PA, can you believe it?)
It was these four old guys and I don't mean old like I'm old, I'm talking O>L>D> here. All of them were on Social Security. The Drummer was 81, for cryin out loud.
THe music they played was simple. What they used to call Popular Standards, Louis Prima, Frank Sinatra, That kind of stuff.
Here are guys who have probably forgotten more about music than you and I will ever know, and they could have cared less about " Modulating or using chords borrowed from other keys "
Those simple songs they played to the delight of the blue hairs, had stood the test of time and songs that are filled with a lot of theoretical gobbeltygook for the sake of theoretical gobbeltygook, don't stand up to the ages the way a simple song does. It's true and you know it.
Don't get me wrong, I'm the very last person around here to be anti education or anti knowledge, and a little knowledge of theory wouldn't kill ya, oh you punkers and anarchists, but having some musical thoery credentials, and trying to beat the rest of us up with it, is bullshit.
at the end of the day, it's about the song, all the thoery, all the solos, all the chops, are, or should be, there to serve the song, anything else is jackin off.
what would you rather be, a guy with great chops and great technical know how, remembered by a few collegues for a few years, or a guy who wrote songs that lasted forever.
You're right, but here's my question...SO THE HELL WHAT?Uneducated musicians are LESS LIKELY to Modulate or use chords borrowed from other keys
Last night I was in Johnstown and I happened on a Jazz group (Yeah, Jazz, in Central PA, can you believe it?)
It was these four old guys and I don't mean old like I'm old, I'm talking O>L>D> here. All of them were on Social Security. The Drummer was 81, for cryin out loud.
THe music they played was simple. What they used to call Popular Standards, Louis Prima, Frank Sinatra, That kind of stuff.
Here are guys who have probably forgotten more about music than you and I will ever know, and they could have cared less about " Modulating or using chords borrowed from other keys "
Those simple songs they played to the delight of the blue hairs, had stood the test of time and songs that are filled with a lot of theoretical gobbeltygook for the sake of theoretical gobbeltygook, don't stand up to the ages the way a simple song does. It's true and you know it.
Don't get me wrong, I'm the very last person around here to be anti education or anti knowledge, and a little knowledge of theory wouldn't kill ya, oh you punkers and anarchists, but having some musical thoery credentials, and trying to beat the rest of us up with it, is bullshit.
at the end of the day, it's about the song, all the thoery, all the solos, all the chops, are, or should be, there to serve the song, anything else is jackin off.
what would you rather be, a guy with great chops and great technical know how, remembered by a few collegues for a few years, or a guy who wrote songs that lasted forever.
Blooz to Youz
i can't believe some of the post in here.seems to me that there is alot of sour graped people with negative bullshit to say.i agree that knowledge is definately power,but in music it takes alot more than just knowledge alone.bands like "dream theatre" have tons of knowledge,but without feel and an ear they wouldn't amount to anything.
on the other hand people like jimi had an amazing feel for his instrument.ya just don't get that from any book of music,or do you get the ear either
i believe that going by the book can make it all bland and stale.rules and guidlines are meant to be broken and bent a little.people who have pushed the envelope are known today as our pioneers and inovators ,not going by the book moe foes.
music is feel and emotion,there is no one interpretation that we must all follow.frank zappa believed that there are"36" notes in our traditional 12 note octave.and is know as one of our pioneers doing it his way.
music theory is nothing more than math,if you can count ya got it in the bag,but if you cant feel"like steve martin in the jerk" you'll never get in the bag .to each his own,but you can't take anything away from jimi. you speak alot of knowledge but that was a "dumb" assed remark. get real
on the other hand people like jimi had an amazing feel for his instrument.ya just don't get that from any book of music,or do you get the ear either
i believe that going by the book can make it all bland and stale.rules and guidlines are meant to be broken and bent a little.people who have pushed the envelope are known today as our pioneers and inovators ,not going by the book moe foes.
music is feel and emotion,there is no one interpretation that we must all follow.frank zappa believed that there are"36" notes in our traditional 12 note octave.and is know as one of our pioneers doing it his way.
music theory is nothing more than math,if you can count ya got it in the bag,but if you cant feel"like steve martin in the jerk" you'll never get in the bag .to each his own,but you can't take anything away from jimi. you speak alot of knowledge but that was a "dumb" assed remark. get real
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Perhaps this will put it into perspective:
If you are trained in music theory, the odds of hitting it big in this business are about the same as a meteorite hitting some part of your house.
If you are not trained in music theory, the odds of hitting it big in this business are about the same as a meteorite hitting you squarely on the head.
I don't know about you, but I would rather have it hit my house.
If you are trained in music theory, the odds of hitting it big in this business are about the same as a meteorite hitting some part of your house.
If you are not trained in music theory, the odds of hitting it big in this business are about the same as a meteorite hitting you squarely on the head.
I don't know about you, but I would rather have it hit my house.
...Oh, the freedom of the day that yielded to no rule or time...
What are the odds the meteorite would hit me in the nuts, 'cause that's how the old John-man's luck goes! 
I hear what Vin's saying. It also bears mentioning that books and classes aren't the only way to get knowledge, just the best. I'm sort of proud that, if there's space in a song for me to play harmonica, I'll find it, and play something that fits. Most harmonica players know precious little theory, especially if that's their only instrument. Pretty much nobody gives lessons, and even if they did, the harp is basically a folk instrument you pick up on your own, or somebody close simply shows you what they know, informally. I got a few pointers from a fantastic book everybody should read if they want to play harp, "Harmonica for the Musically Hopeless" by Jon Gindick. Anyway, most of my chops were hard-earned on stage with anybody who'd let me play (Felix), and my classes consisted of " hit the mark and try not to step on my d*ck." Lots of guitarists learn that way, too. Like Hendrix.------>JMS
I hear what Vin's saying. It also bears mentioning that books and classes aren't the only way to get knowledge, just the best. I'm sort of proud that, if there's space in a song for me to play harmonica, I'll find it, and play something that fits. Most harmonica players know precious little theory, especially if that's their only instrument. Pretty much nobody gives lessons, and even if they did, the harp is basically a folk instrument you pick up on your own, or somebody close simply shows you what they know, informally. I got a few pointers from a fantastic book everybody should read if they want to play harp, "Harmonica for the Musically Hopeless" by Jon Gindick. Anyway, most of my chops were hard-earned on stage with anybody who'd let me play (Felix), and my classes consisted of " hit the mark and try not to step on my d*ck." Lots of guitarists learn that way, too. Like Hendrix.------>JMS
Alright - it's time for my two cents.
I have been playing bass for over eight years now. I know there are people better than I am, and I know that I am better than some people. I am self taught and never had a lesson in my life. I prefer to know a root note, and then do what I can to it.
Take for example the bass line to Sober from Tool. How boring would that have been to just hit an open D. Ah, but if I hit the open Dropped D, hold the D on the A, hit the open D, and play the D on the G all at the same time - well holy balls! That sounds neat!
I agree with the point that education is power. If you are able to read, you can do anything in this world! Anything! If you know how to read music, theory, and all that jazz - great, give yourself a pat on the back. That is more power to you. I don't know a stick of theory ( well, maybe I have stumbled onto some but never knew it ) but I don't let that stop me. Show me how to do it if I don't know how to, then after I have learned, I will try to tweek it some more.
Does not knowing these things hurt people as players. Sometimes yes, sometimes no. If a person is in the big time, making x amount of dollars, then I would say yes, that would probably put a damper on things. However, if it is you average party band playing classic rock and playing for beer, no...it's not going to hurt them. It is all in what you want to do. Would I be stupid enough to take a studio musican postion (hey, that rhymed) without knowing how to read music, and no theory? I'm crazy, not stupid. Would I try out for a bar band that like to have a good time with knowing a few chords, power chords, and know when to turn down if I am making a mistake? Damn right I would.
Botton line: I have seen a lot of good points in this post and I have seen a lot of bad ones. The point is "It's all in what you want to accomplish." If you know what you want to do, and can do it, then do it! If you know that you can't, don't! It's that simple.
I'll wrap this up so I can start working on the world peace problem.
I have been playing bass for over eight years now. I know there are people better than I am, and I know that I am better than some people. I am self taught and never had a lesson in my life. I prefer to know a root note, and then do what I can to it.
Take for example the bass line to Sober from Tool. How boring would that have been to just hit an open D. Ah, but if I hit the open Dropped D, hold the D on the A, hit the open D, and play the D on the G all at the same time - well holy balls! That sounds neat!
I agree with the point that education is power. If you are able to read, you can do anything in this world! Anything! If you know how to read music, theory, and all that jazz - great, give yourself a pat on the back. That is more power to you. I don't know a stick of theory ( well, maybe I have stumbled onto some but never knew it ) but I don't let that stop me. Show me how to do it if I don't know how to, then after I have learned, I will try to tweek it some more.
Does not knowing these things hurt people as players. Sometimes yes, sometimes no. If a person is in the big time, making x amount of dollars, then I would say yes, that would probably put a damper on things. However, if it is you average party band playing classic rock and playing for beer, no...it's not going to hurt them. It is all in what you want to do. Would I be stupid enough to take a studio musican postion (hey, that rhymed) without knowing how to read music, and no theory? I'm crazy, not stupid. Would I try out for a bar band that like to have a good time with knowing a few chords, power chords, and know when to turn down if I am making a mistake? Damn right I would.
Botton line: I have seen a lot of good points in this post and I have seen a lot of bad ones. The point is "It's all in what you want to accomplish." If you know what you want to do, and can do it, then do it! If you know that you can't, don't! It's that simple.
I'll wrap this up so I can start working on the world peace problem.
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I feel that knowing your instrument well opens up more opportunity and opens you up to more options in playing. Many people are schooled in one certain type of music, the music they want to do. Most people are happy with that, but totally involving yourself in your instrument will make you more flexible in any musical situation.
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RobTheDrummer
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Hey, and that's a good thing. The best place anyone can be with their instrument is comfortable. If you are comfortable and confident in what you do, then more power to you. The first initial post on this topic was to inspire some thought about what you know and maybe where you want to be with your given instrument. People on here were fighting too much about thier differences. Music is very diverse in nature, just as people are, but we are still musicians and people. See what I'm saying? Believe it or not, but I think we all learned at least one thing from the enitre post. We have differences in how we go about learning or playing, yet we are all still in the same class as "musician."
To answer PUnkinhead comment about people knowing hendrix, I am still right. Your message board has GUITAR PLAYERS on it. All 27 are guitar players or some METAL TYPE OF FAN.
The mass millions of teenagers who listen to the NORM which is Backstreet boys, Nsync, Britney Spears, christina aguilera, and watch AMERICAN IDOL, do not know who Jimi Hendrix was.
i should know, I work with many young 20 year olds and not one of them know who jimi hendrix was.
Many old people like my grandma who is 79 years old and would have been in her late 40s during hendrix rise to fame, DIDN'T EVEN KNOW WHO HE WAS.
To comment on the OLD FARTS playing jazz. Look at it this way, IT WAS THE EDUCATED SONGWRITERS who wrote those songs, which allow those old farts to just enjoy playing them.
The problem with many of you people is your so PERFORMANCE MINDED. You just have fun playing the songs and don't realize the clever genius, CONTROL AND DIRECTION that went into such songs.
Songwriters because of KNOWLEDGE OF THEORY can play on peoples emotions musically, and the common uneducated musicians and listeners FEEL THE MUSIC but they don't understand it.
It is educated writers who understand elements of a song. For example, lets suppose you have a song with an overall message about a woman who makes a difference in a guys life. The songs VERSES may be about how this guy was lost without this girl. His world was filled with loneliness. When the chorus comes it has a message about how his world is changed and how he now feels complete.
An educated writer will understand how to get the most out of SOUND and EMOTION. He will know how to use STABLE and UNSTABLE chords to achieve the emotion he wants an audience to feel.
His verses will most likely be in a minor key with often UNSTABLE CHORDS. The minor key will generate SADNESS, and the unstable chords will generate LOST and LONELY feeling.
When the chorus lands he will most likely MODULATE to the relative major or some other major key. This will be a bright sound which will reflect happiness. He will use often stable chords to highlight the way he feels COMPLETE when he is with this girl.
Now to the common listener and the uneducated musician, the work and detail that went into the song is NOT A FACTOR TO THEM. They just know the song moves them and they enjoy it for what it is. They are UNAWARE THAT SUBCONSCIOUSLY the reason they feel that way is because of ELEMENTS and FACTORS that are making them feel that way.
It is the same elements like when a lyric reads "I AM CLOSE TO YOU" The composer will most likely have that line set to a melody that is CLOSE IN INTERVALS, to generate the feeling of being close.
OR.......
when you have a lyric that reads " MY LOVE FOR YOU IS WIDER THAN AN OCEAN". The writer should and would most likely have a melody line that has WIDE INTERVALS to reflect and generate a feeling to show how much this guy loves her.
This is why people need education, so they understand how to get the most out of a song. I never look at theory as rules and regulations. I see theory as TOOLS to help get the emotion across in a song.
The mass millions of teenagers who listen to the NORM which is Backstreet boys, Nsync, Britney Spears, christina aguilera, and watch AMERICAN IDOL, do not know who Jimi Hendrix was.
i should know, I work with many young 20 year olds and not one of them know who jimi hendrix was.
Many old people like my grandma who is 79 years old and would have been in her late 40s during hendrix rise to fame, DIDN'T EVEN KNOW WHO HE WAS.
To comment on the OLD FARTS playing jazz. Look at it this way, IT WAS THE EDUCATED SONGWRITERS who wrote those songs, which allow those old farts to just enjoy playing them.
The problem with many of you people is your so PERFORMANCE MINDED. You just have fun playing the songs and don't realize the clever genius, CONTROL AND DIRECTION that went into such songs.
Songwriters because of KNOWLEDGE OF THEORY can play on peoples emotions musically, and the common uneducated musicians and listeners FEEL THE MUSIC but they don't understand it.
It is educated writers who understand elements of a song. For example, lets suppose you have a song with an overall message about a woman who makes a difference in a guys life. The songs VERSES may be about how this guy was lost without this girl. His world was filled with loneliness. When the chorus comes it has a message about how his world is changed and how he now feels complete.
An educated writer will understand how to get the most out of SOUND and EMOTION. He will know how to use STABLE and UNSTABLE chords to achieve the emotion he wants an audience to feel.
His verses will most likely be in a minor key with often UNSTABLE CHORDS. The minor key will generate SADNESS, and the unstable chords will generate LOST and LONELY feeling.
When the chorus lands he will most likely MODULATE to the relative major or some other major key. This will be a bright sound which will reflect happiness. He will use often stable chords to highlight the way he feels COMPLETE when he is with this girl.
Now to the common listener and the uneducated musician, the work and detail that went into the song is NOT A FACTOR TO THEM. They just know the song moves them and they enjoy it for what it is. They are UNAWARE THAT SUBCONSCIOUSLY the reason they feel that way is because of ELEMENTS and FACTORS that are making them feel that way.
It is the same elements like when a lyric reads "I AM CLOSE TO YOU" The composer will most likely have that line set to a melody that is CLOSE IN INTERVALS, to generate the feeling of being close.
OR.......
when you have a lyric that reads " MY LOVE FOR YOU IS WIDER THAN AN OCEAN". The writer should and would most likely have a melody line that has WIDE INTERVALS to reflect and generate a feeling to show how much this guy loves her.
This is why people need education, so they understand how to get the most out of a song. I never look at theory as rules and regulations. I see theory as TOOLS to help get the emotion across in a song.
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2 quick ones on Hendrix.
1. Didn't anyone notice the guitar in the pawnshop window was a Telecaster in the commercial? I've seen him with a white SG, but other than that, he's always played a Strat.
2. hey metal dude get yours now!!! if you still can. I believe i took the last one from authentichendrix.com
http://www.spawn.com/toys/product.aspx?product=1682
1. Didn't anyone notice the guitar in the pawnshop window was a Telecaster in the commercial? I've seen him with a white SG, but other than that, he's always played a Strat.
2. hey metal dude get yours now!!! if you still can. I believe i took the last one from authentichendrix.com
http://www.spawn.com/toys/product.aspx?product=1682
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That struck me as odd, too. From a historical perspective, it's pretty accurate. The commercial is supposed to depict an 11-year-old Hendrix, which would mean it was set in 1953. The Stratocaster didn't debut until a year or so later, so that's why there would be a Tele in the window. Then again, Jimi didn't start playing electric until much later, so he wasn't going in that shop to buy anything. A Strat was probably way out of his price range anyway.RonS wrote: 1. Didn't anyone notice the guitar in the pawnshop window was a Telecaster in the commercial? I've seen him with a white SG, but other than that, he's always played a Strat.
Sorry to double post but a thought just occurred to me, but what about The Beatles.
Working class guys with no formal musical education, in fact John Lennon didn't know how to tune his guitar until he met Paul. None of them are university grads, George barely finished high school, just guys who gutted it out to write music that was considered brilliant at the time by all the educated eggheads and is still the archetype against which pop success is measured.
You gonna tell me they are crap too? Is their music less important or of a lesser quality.
You don't have any respect for Hendrix, you gonna trash Lennon and MaCartney now?
Yes, Lennon went to art school but he wasn't learning music theory there
How about Harrison, never got past the British equivalent of high school, wrote brilliant songs, you trash him?
How about the Stones? Mick did go to the London School of Economics but I doubt they have any music theory classes there.
What about that?
Working class guys with no formal musical education, in fact John Lennon didn't know how to tune his guitar until he met Paul. None of them are university grads, George barely finished high school, just guys who gutted it out to write music that was considered brilliant at the time by all the educated eggheads and is still the archetype against which pop success is measured.
You gonna tell me they are crap too? Is their music less important or of a lesser quality.
You don't have any respect for Hendrix, you gonna trash Lennon and MaCartney now?
Yes, Lennon went to art school but he wasn't learning music theory there
How about Harrison, never got past the British equivalent of high school, wrote brilliant songs, you trash him?
How about the Stones? Mick did go to the London School of Economics but I doubt they have any music theory classes there.
What about that?
Blooz to Youz
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RobTheDrummer
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You must have missed that post, Vin. He took on the Beatles two pages ago:
Here's a somewhat different opinion from George Martin, courtesy of www.sirgeorgemartin.com:
George Martin is one hell of a producer and arranger, no doubt. I even dig what he did with America in the 70s . . . those are great sounding pop records.metalrules wrote: You before the beatles came to George Martin they new nothing about writing songs. The songs they did have were so formless that no one thought they were good.
Also the beatles would have never progressed in writing had it not been for George Martin and other educated producers, arrangers, etc. The beatles would have been still doing songs like HARD DAYS NIGHT, PAPER BACK WRITER, ETC. They progressed to deeper more complex songs with better backing arrangements like YESTERDAY, PENNY LANE, LONG AND WINDING ROAD simply because they got help in EXECUTING THEM by educated producers and arrangers.
Here's a somewhat different opinion from George Martin, courtesy of www.sirgeorgemartin.com:
Sir George Martin wrote:I've been cast in the role of schoolmaster, the toff, the better-educated, and they've been the urchins that I've shaped. It's a load of poppycock, really, because our backgrounds were very similar. Paul and John went to quite good schools. I went to an elemetary school, and I got a scholarship for that, and I went to Jesuit college. We didn't pay to go to school, my parents were very poor. Again, I wasn't taught music and they weren't, we taught ourselves."
Both the stones and Beatles were SURROUNDED by producers and engineers who have KNOWLEDGE and THEORY
Beatles would not even have made it as big as they were and still are because of GEORGE MARTIN. You people fail to see that BEATLES WERE TAUGHT SOMETHING.
George Martin sat the boys down and said, " LOOK YOU GUYS CANT WRITE A SONG , YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND SONG FORM, ETC."
George Martin showed the Beatles what a verse was and its function, what a chorus was and its function. He showed them what primary bridges are, etc.
Also the Beatles would have never got passed the simple songs of HARD DAYS NIGHT, etc, if it was not for GEORGE MARTIN AND OTHER ARRANGERS that scored brilliant string arrangement and horn arrangements. So songs like Long and winding road, penny lane, yesterday, etc would have never been recorded or at best only recorded with limited instrumentation.
Your dumb naive comments NEVER TAKE IN CONSIDERATION the many people who worked behind the scenes to get the beatles to where they wanted to go. All those brilliant arrangers and producers who could read music and score great string arrangements for the beatles.
Hell in early 90s paul would have never written his classical music if it wasn't for a certain conductor who transcribed what paul was hearing. Paul would have never been able to bring his conception to the many choral singers because he himself can't read, and cant transcribe.
You people fail to realize many people behind the scenes make these bands. Most bands don't even know how to record, there records would sound like shit if it wasnt for producers and engineers. Bands would have everything panned front and center. Things would be mixed poorly because of lack of education in engineering.
Get a clue, education rules. Period
Beatles would not even have made it as big as they were and still are because of GEORGE MARTIN. You people fail to see that BEATLES WERE TAUGHT SOMETHING.
George Martin sat the boys down and said, " LOOK YOU GUYS CANT WRITE A SONG , YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND SONG FORM, ETC."
George Martin showed the Beatles what a verse was and its function, what a chorus was and its function. He showed them what primary bridges are, etc.
Also the Beatles would have never got passed the simple songs of HARD DAYS NIGHT, etc, if it was not for GEORGE MARTIN AND OTHER ARRANGERS that scored brilliant string arrangement and horn arrangements. So songs like Long and winding road, penny lane, yesterday, etc would have never been recorded or at best only recorded with limited instrumentation.
Your dumb naive comments NEVER TAKE IN CONSIDERATION the many people who worked behind the scenes to get the beatles to where they wanted to go. All those brilliant arrangers and producers who could read music and score great string arrangements for the beatles.
Hell in early 90s paul would have never written his classical music if it wasn't for a certain conductor who transcribed what paul was hearing. Paul would have never been able to bring his conception to the many choral singers because he himself can't read, and cant transcribe.
You people fail to realize many people behind the scenes make these bands. Most bands don't even know how to record, there records would sound like shit if it wasnt for producers and engineers. Bands would have everything panned front and center. Things would be mixed poorly because of lack of education in engineering.
Get a clue, education rules. Period
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Man, this thread is starting to sound like a broken record. Okay everybody, let's all drop what we are doing in our lives and go study at Berklee. 
Even though Jimi's main ax was a Strat and an occaional SG, there were a few rare occasions where he pulled out a Flying V. I'm not sure about all of the history to it, but I do remember that it had a cool finish.
I believe that it was actually Jimi's father who bought him his first guitar. I don't know if Jimi was present or not when he bought it though. It is interesting, I have a CD with a very early picture of Jimi in it. I would say that it's from his early teen years. He's standing in front of a service station/garage holding one of those cheap guitars they use to sell in department stores. It's red with lipstick pickups; it almost looks like a Danelectro, but I'm not sure if it is. I wonder if this was Jimi's first guitar.Jimi Hatt wrote:That struck me as odd, too. From a historical perspective, it's pretty accurate. The commercial is supposed to depict an 11-year-old Hendrix, which would mean it was set in 1953. The Stratocaster didn't debut until a year or so later, so that's why there would be a Tele in the window. Then again, Jimi didn't start playing electric until much later, so he wasn't going in that shop to buy anything. A Strat was probably way out of his price range anyway.RonS wrote: 1. Didn't anyone notice the guitar in the pawnshop window was a Telecaster in the commercial? I've seen him with a white SG, but other than that, he's always played a Strat.
Even though Jimi's main ax was a Strat and an occaional SG, there were a few rare occasions where he pulled out a Flying V. I'm not sure about all of the history to it, but I do remember that it had a cool finish.
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Here's a link to a site that has pics of 3 of Jimi's axes, the 1967 Gibson Flying V, the 1967 Fender Stratocaster, and his accoustic, his 1968 Martin D-45. Also there is a shot of one of Jimi's rigs, a Marshall Super 100 amplifier rig.
Here's the link: http://rockstarsguitars.com/pages/Jimi_Hendrix.html
Here's the link: http://rockstarsguitars.com/pages/Jimi_Hendrix.html
Dood...
Again, YOU AINT THEM. I really, really, really, really, really hate it when people mention ONE NAME IN THE RECORD INDUSTRY.
The people FAIL TO REALIZE is that EVERY NAME ONE CAN MENTION, is the EXCEPTION.
In other words if you mention slayer, TIMES THAT BY 2 MILLION NOBODIES who never made it because they were ignorant of music. WHen you mention Nirvana, TIMES THAT BY 2 MILLION nobodies who never made it because of lack of education. If you mention the beatles, TIMES THAT BY 2 MILLION NOBODIES.
For just those 3 bands that I just mentioned you should have 6 million nobodies who never made it.
People who make it in the business are RARE EXCEPTIONS. Period. Most are at the right place at the right time.
Nirvana, EHEHEHEHEHHAHAAHHAAHHAHA i laugh at them. They are NOT ORIGINAL AT ALL. Nirvana sounded like any garage band of the 70s and 80s and 90s. The only thing is SOMEONE WAS STUPID ENOUGH to actually want to record it. Nirvana was any basic nobody band that had a raw garage sound. That garage sound was around since the 70s. Those bands never got signed because it sounded NOVICE AND SHOWED LACK OF TALENT.
You listen to any band from Van Halen and Kiss, etc. and they will tell you THEY THOUGH NIRVANA WAS A JOKE AND TOTALLY SUCKED. I have watched interviews with Van Halen and kiss talking how they thought the record companies were kidding when they said THIS IS THE NEXT BIG THING. Those bands like van halen and kiss laughed.
In fact, there is RECORDED DOCUMENTS of Kirk Kobain BEGGING THE RECORD COMPANIES TO SIGN HIM. All the big name record companies THOUGHT THEY SUCKED AND DIDN'T SIGN THEM. It took INTERSCOPE RECORDS , practically an indie label at that time to sign them, because THEY WERE LITERALLY LOOKING FOR ANYONE.
My god, Nirvana looks even DOPIC AND NOVICE holding and playing their instruments. When I saw them on MTV unplugged I laughed. THey looked so uncoordinated holding their instruments.
THere is nothing great about nirvana at all. Kirk Cobain sings out of tune, plus anyone can scream stupid lyrics like GRANDMA TAKE ME HOME, GRANDMA TAKE ME HOME, GRANDMA TAKE ME HOME.
MY god that has to be the stupidest lyrics I have ever heard.
I look at the common Pa band, and 98 percent of them are cover tune bands. WHy? because they LACK IN MUSIC EDUCATION. All they can do is mimmic TAB and have to rely on what guitar world transcribes. If a band does have enough talent to write their songs, it is no more than 3 or 4 they can crank out. SImple because they have no talent to write anymore.
KNOWLEDGE IS POWER. Bands who do not have knowledge are more likely to have to JAM to write songs. Instead of conceiving them IN THEIR HEADS. WHen one is educated THEY DO NOT HAVE TO RELY ON THE JAM METHOD. I can write parts out for ANY INSTRUMENT. I do not have to rely on some bass player or drummer to have to come up with his parts. I can score for full orchestras.
UNTIL YOU PEOPLE KNOW EDUCATION, YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE MISSING. I look at most of you as LIKING MUSIC, BUT NOT LOVING MUSIC.
WHen someone does not learn all he can about music, that tells me he is only in it because he likes getting up stage and showing off in front of girls. That person is not into MUSIC ITSELF, because if they were they would learn all they can.
Education is so important because it would even tell a person himself or herself whether they are good enough. My god I listened last night to many PA BANDS SONG FILES. 80 percent of PA BANDS the lead singer was singing OUT OF TUNE ON THE SOUND FILE. I can't believe these bands can't hear how bad their lead singers sound.
PEOPLE GET SOME EDUCATION.
The people FAIL TO REALIZE is that EVERY NAME ONE CAN MENTION, is the EXCEPTION.
In other words if you mention slayer, TIMES THAT BY 2 MILLION NOBODIES who never made it because they were ignorant of music. WHen you mention Nirvana, TIMES THAT BY 2 MILLION nobodies who never made it because of lack of education. If you mention the beatles, TIMES THAT BY 2 MILLION NOBODIES.
For just those 3 bands that I just mentioned you should have 6 million nobodies who never made it.
People who make it in the business are RARE EXCEPTIONS. Period. Most are at the right place at the right time.
Nirvana, EHEHEHEHEHHAHAAHHAAHHAHA i laugh at them. They are NOT ORIGINAL AT ALL. Nirvana sounded like any garage band of the 70s and 80s and 90s. The only thing is SOMEONE WAS STUPID ENOUGH to actually want to record it. Nirvana was any basic nobody band that had a raw garage sound. That garage sound was around since the 70s. Those bands never got signed because it sounded NOVICE AND SHOWED LACK OF TALENT.
You listen to any band from Van Halen and Kiss, etc. and they will tell you THEY THOUGH NIRVANA WAS A JOKE AND TOTALLY SUCKED. I have watched interviews with Van Halen and kiss talking how they thought the record companies were kidding when they said THIS IS THE NEXT BIG THING. Those bands like van halen and kiss laughed.
In fact, there is RECORDED DOCUMENTS of Kirk Kobain BEGGING THE RECORD COMPANIES TO SIGN HIM. All the big name record companies THOUGHT THEY SUCKED AND DIDN'T SIGN THEM. It took INTERSCOPE RECORDS , practically an indie label at that time to sign them, because THEY WERE LITERALLY LOOKING FOR ANYONE.
My god, Nirvana looks even DOPIC AND NOVICE holding and playing their instruments. When I saw them on MTV unplugged I laughed. THey looked so uncoordinated holding their instruments.
THere is nothing great about nirvana at all. Kirk Cobain sings out of tune, plus anyone can scream stupid lyrics like GRANDMA TAKE ME HOME, GRANDMA TAKE ME HOME, GRANDMA TAKE ME HOME.
MY god that has to be the stupidest lyrics I have ever heard.
I look at the common Pa band, and 98 percent of them are cover tune bands. WHy? because they LACK IN MUSIC EDUCATION. All they can do is mimmic TAB and have to rely on what guitar world transcribes. If a band does have enough talent to write their songs, it is no more than 3 or 4 they can crank out. SImple because they have no talent to write anymore.
KNOWLEDGE IS POWER. Bands who do not have knowledge are more likely to have to JAM to write songs. Instead of conceiving them IN THEIR HEADS. WHen one is educated THEY DO NOT HAVE TO RELY ON THE JAM METHOD. I can write parts out for ANY INSTRUMENT. I do not have to rely on some bass player or drummer to have to come up with his parts. I can score for full orchestras.
UNTIL YOU PEOPLE KNOW EDUCATION, YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE MISSING. I look at most of you as LIKING MUSIC, BUT NOT LOVING MUSIC.
WHen someone does not learn all he can about music, that tells me he is only in it because he likes getting up stage and showing off in front of girls. That person is not into MUSIC ITSELF, because if they were they would learn all they can.
Education is so important because it would even tell a person himself or herself whether they are good enough. My god I listened last night to many PA BANDS SONG FILES. 80 percent of PA BANDS the lead singer was singing OUT OF TUNE ON THE SOUND FILE. I can't believe these bands can't hear how bad their lead singers sound.
PEOPLE GET SOME EDUCATION.