The Real Danger to the Free World: North Korea

grimmbass · Post by **grimmbass** » Friday Oct 06, 2006

Whether you're on the left or right, or consider yourself blue or red, this should scare the living shit out of you:

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapcf/1 ... =cnn_world

Yep, Kim Jong is illin' to be sure....and a wacko like this guy having "the bomb" casts a nice big shadow on the world. I'm not sure what the answer is here either...a pre-emptive strike would have Russia and China on our asses; They don't even really like this guy, but they've got to back him because they're fellow Reds (Russia is falling back into a Cold War role every day under Putin). So what do we do?

What do all of you political analysts feel is the next move we should make if he tests it? How do you take on a atomically-armed dipshit dictator with the brain of a three year old with the largest countries in the world backing him up?

Primates · Post by **Primates** » Friday Oct 06, 2006

Take out the nuke sites and the launching pads. Let China and Russia talk shit. Leave it at that. Russia and China wont challenge us over of N. Korea.

AtoMikEnRtiA · Post by **AtoMikEnRtiA** » Friday Oct 06, 2006

grimmbass wrote:Whether you're on the left or right, or consider yourself blue or red, this should scare the living shit out of you:

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapcf/1 ... =cnn_world

Yep, Kim Jong is illin' to be sure....and a wacko like this guy having "the bomb" casts a nice big shadow on the world. I'm not sure what the answer is here either...a pre-emptive strike would have Russia and China on our asses; They don't even really like this guy, but they've got to back him because they're fellow Reds (Russia is falling back into a Cold War role every day under Putin). So what do we do?

What do all of you political analysts feel is the next move we should make if he tests it? How do you take on a atomically-armed dipshit dictator with the brain of a three year old with the largest countries in the world backing him up?

I agree, as i stated in my post below this one in stating that China.. is the real threat, not so much N. Korea..

Primates · Post by **Primates** » Friday Oct 06, 2006

Yea exactly, The Russian and Chinese know we're tied up in the middle east. Their testing us. Example:

During the cold war Russian bombers would fly over Alaska testing the air defenses. In 1989 they stopped. Shortly after the Soviet Union collapsed.

Last week N.O.R.A.D reported 4 Russian bombers flying over the northern edge of Alaska. They sent up 8 fighters not so much to shoot em down. But to let them know we're not asleep at the wheel. And those are their words.

Its going to be an interesting year. lol

RobTheDrummer · Post by **RobTheDrummer** » Friday Oct 06, 2006

More worried about Iran. Their leader made a committment to bring thier "prophet" back to earth by way of creating apocalypse. These people are the real danger. .

grimmbass · Post by **grimmbass** » Friday Oct 06, 2006

All of your opinions are appreciated, but I'd really like to see what course of action you all would present to deal with North Korea. Should we bomb them? Engage in detente? Send them a box of cookies and ask them to play nice? What should we do?

skipisode · Post by **skipisode** » Friday Oct 06, 2006

The issue is a tough one.

I predict the U.S. will "sit on the fence and watch to see what they do",
just like the new 700 mile border fence to be built on the Mexican border.
Duh! I don't know, do ya think they'll try to cross the fence George? We'll play the mid-line (i.e. wait) to find out.

Let's weigh options:
1. Procrastinate/Masturbate: i.e. sit around with our dicks in our hands
until it's too late.

2. Infiltrate/Assassinate: not likely to happen!

The U.S. has become too indecisive on which way to act. I understand there are political considerations, but sooner or later something will occur,
and we'll say we should have done something more decisive early on.

It would seem that history shows non-aggression pacts don't work with psychos. WWI & WWII bring back any memories? The strongest survive!

Bring back the COLD WAR CIA!!! At least it was proactive in dealing with
threats.

There is no easy solution! Please note this is only my opinion on the frustrations we face with world politics, and not necessarily the view of others.

RobTheDrummer · Post by **RobTheDrummer** » Friday Oct 06, 2006

N. Korea is just playing it's game. They know we are tied up in other things and not focusing on them at the moment. This is their cry for attention. As far as China goes, they aren't a threat because they make so much money off of us. The thing we don't want is Iran with nukes. They are much more of a threat than N. Korea.

bassist_25 · Post by **bassist_25** » Friday Oct 06, 2006

I disagree. North Korea is going to become a serious threat in the near future if they are not dealt with. How to deal with them though? That's a question I don't have an answer for.

Punkinhead · Post by **Punkinhead** » Friday Oct 06, 2006

bassist_25 wrote:I disagree. North Korea is going to become a serious threat in the near future if they are not dealt with. How to deal with them though? That's a question I don't have an answer for.

$$$$$

That's all it would really take. It's all about money in the end.

RobTheDrummer · Post by **RobTheDrummer** » Friday Oct 06, 2006

The scary thing about Iran is that they want to start a WW3 intentionally. They have plenty of money. They just want the weapons to carry out thier intent.

Banned · Post by **Banned** » Saturday Oct 07, 2006

Iran and N. Korea are a very major dilemma for our country and the world. I once read that S. Korea is straining at the bit to wipe out Kim's military, and that would do us a major favor. I do not know the reality of that situation though.

China wants Taiwan in the worst way, and I bet if we do something military about N.K., like taking out their nuclear capability, China would go and take Taiwan and just dare us to do something about it. I do not think we can get in a war with China right now (or anytime).

The freak "president" of Iran does want armegeddon, so he can help bring back the 12th Iman to rule the world in peace (Shiria peace, follow the Koran in peace or die). He will view any involvement on our part with Lebanon or Syria as an attack on him. Very dangerous.

I think if we need to do pre-emptive strikes, it would be best to take out Iran's nuclear capability. Then he can rant and rave all he wants, but he cannot unleash nuclear disaster in the Middle East for awhile.

Just my 2 pence, but I do not envy anyone who has to make these decisions.

grimmbass · Post by **grimmbass** » Sunday Oct 08, 2006

I think that Hell just froze over, boys and girls:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6032381.stm

RobTheDrummer · Post by **RobTheDrummer** » Monday Oct 09, 2006

Ok, so N. Korea tested it's first nuke. Now what?

grimmbass · Post by **grimmbass** » Monday Oct 09, 2006

So now N. Korea OFFICIALLY is on the way to "da bomb." Yeah, definitely not cool....but hey, China and Japan are pretty buddy-buddy on this issue (they BOTH are ticked at this guy)....if Kim-Jong could just piss off China enough, maybe they'd start kicking his ass in...

Naw, wishful thinking. Would never happen.

Ironically, I just saw "Team America: World Police" for the first time this weekend....what a fucking riot!

Blain · Post by **Blain** » Monday Oct 09, 2006

They're only sixty years behind the U.S. and the former Soviet Union in developing nuclear weapons.

Right now, I would do - nothing. I would continue to tell them in the strongest language possible that developing these weapons is taking them down a path they don't want to go down. I would work with the UN to get sanctions, not because I think they work, and in spite of the fact that the UN is basically useless, powerless, and totally corrupt. It would be a feel-good move at best, a P.R. thing. While I was going down that road, I would also see what kind of intelligence assets we had in North Korea, and I would check, double-check, and triple-check everything that came in, ours, and our allies both. I'm mindful of the fact that U.S., Russian, UK, and German intelligence sources said Saddam has WMDs, and that turned out not to be the case, so I think you have to be careful. The North Korean weapon could be very primitive and without any delivery system. If intelligence suddenly said that they had a device with a good yeild and a way to deliver it, or were going to hand it over to a terrorist group, that is a huge problem.

Politics aside, if you supported the war with Iraq (and don't forget, congress voted, and Kerry, and Hillary, et al all voted in favor) because intelligence showed that they had WMDs and could deliver them to our enemies, how do you feel now that we KNOW North Korea has nuclear capability? After all, we went to war with Iraq with no proof outside of intelligence reports, and here we have proof, and their own confirmation.

Quite a quandry.

jet_king · Post by **jet_king** » Tuesday Oct 10, 2006

It's funny how hostile everyone gets about somebody else having the bomb. For Christ's sake, we have had it for years, still have it, and used it, so who are we to criticize others for wanting the same technology? And, we’re not reducing our arsenal, we’re expanding it. In other words, we are becoming a bigger threat to other nations. These other nations feel they need the bomb to prevent us from making preemptive strikes (one of Bush's wonderful new policies). Our posture is terribly hypocritical. And, if it weren't for Bush shooting off his mouth, claiming that Iran and N. Korea belong to some make-believe "Axis of Evil," they wouldn't have such a defensive posture. If you watched the Brian Williams' interview with Mahmood Ahmadinejad, you'd have a sense of his position, which is not as extreme as everyone would like to believe. He makes good points about US foreign policy (which is imperialistic) and Palestine; he has fair concerns, I’d say.

Similarly, we have the problems we have in Iraq because Sadaam threatened Bush's daddy. Now we've got a hell of a mess over there and no one knows how to clean it up.

What I want to know is how long my fellow Americans will continue to believe the conservative spin on everything. Our news comes direct from The Pentagon. That's not democracy, friends, it's militarism.

What we need to do is become well informed before we take up sides. America is a great place, but the gov't is not always right. Clearly, they’ve ceased acting in my best interests. Who knows, perhaps is time for the revolution that is our right under The Constitution.

Frankly, I'm sick of it all. I’m not sick of the ideals that are America, but sick over what it has become: everything is profit-driven and the citizenry – you and I – are irrelevant. I want my rights back. I'm sick of the Bush Administration having their respective heads up their asses, while they systematically, covertly inspect mine. It’s a violation of my right to privacy, press, and free speech; none of us should stand for it.

At the very least, let's not be so gullible . . . The press loves to demonize anyone with another point-of-view (that is, other than conservative, right-wing, Christian).

Said my piece; I’m going to bed.

(As I drift off to sleep, I'll be wondering how many people I've offended; I'll be pondering how many of you will tell me to "get the fuck out if I don't like it!" I find the whole political milieu very interesting. Well, off to nighty-night.)

Blain · Post by **Blain** » Tuesday Oct 10, 2006

If you can't see the difference between the U.S. having nuclear weapons and North Korea having nuclear weapons, we're probably not at the starting point of a discussion.

I must not be watching the same news as you, either. The news I see still has a pretty hearty anti-Bush stance.

You haven't offended me, I just don't see where you're coming from. At all.

BDR · Post by **BDR** » Tuesday Oct 10, 2006

Honestly, I think Kim Jong Il conducted this test simply to make G.W. have to say, "nu-cul-er" on TV, over and over ...

r:>)

lonewolf · Post by **lonewolf** » Tuesday Oct 10, 2006

jet_king wrote:If you watched the Brian Williams' interview with Mahmood Ahmadinejad, you'd have a sense of his position, which is not as extreme as everyone would like to believe. He makes good points about US foreign policy (which is imperialistic) and Palestine; he has fair concerns, I’d say.

He was spewing forth the official mantra of the fundamentalist Islamic terrorist, nothing more.

If you dig beyond the rehearsed interview, you will find a deep rooted jealousy of the west in the mind of the fundamentalist Islamic terrorist. They want a World Trade Center, but since they can't build one, they destroyed ours. They blame us for their woes, but it is in fact the despotism in their own countries that prevents them from achieving greater things, not the west.

After WWII, Palestine was Great Britain's territory. With all the turmoil, they decided to withdraw from Palestine and let the international community handle it. The UN General Assembly enacted the UN Partition plan which divided Palestine into Jewish and Arab regions. Israel accepted it and the Arab League did not. The Arabs have been attacking Israel ever since...getting their asses kicked and losing more land in the process. Supporting Israel against those who would commit genocide against them is hardly imperialist--especially when you consider that we don't actually participate.

I can't figure out where all this imperialism came from. We haven't added a new state since 1959. We haven't added any new territory since WWII. Sure, there were the Grenada and Panama invasions, but I doubt if Maxmood was very concerned about them. Aside from this, from Vietnam to 9/11, the US took no major action that was not UN sanctioned.

We had the opportunity to be an imperialist when we drove the invading Iraqi Army out of Kuwait, but we did not take it. What imperialist actions did President Clinton take? He never impressed me as the imperialist kind of guy. Prior to 9/11, George Bush barely had time to fill his cabinet let alone take imperialist actions. So I ask, what imperialism are you referring to that required the actions of 9/11?

Maxmood is full of shit.

AtoMikEnRtiA · Post by **AtoMikEnRtiA** » Tuesday Oct 10, 2006

I think it's all conservative spin to get our minds off Mark Foley with 5 weeks before elections..

Yeah. N. Korea may have test-fired a nuclear missle.. but I dont think a test is any more dangerous for one country than the next.. what about when India and Pakistan test fire missles over Kashmir. Where is the freak-fuck then.. there is not a situation of "it is not out of the realm of possibility.." it's more of a "this could really fucking get out of hand". Where are we, then?

I guess we'll just have to see what our "great American Government" does in the coming days.. But I think it'll just be talk of sanctions and frozen assets.. Blahja

rreihart · Post by **rreihart** » Tuesday Oct 10, 2006

Rone-ry, so rone-ry.....

AtoMikEnRtiA · Post by **AtoMikEnRtiA** » Tuesday Oct 10, 2006

rreihart wrote:Rone-ry, so rone-ry.....

haha!

"I cannot berieve that I actually have a Chechnyan terring me when he's going to take a derivery.. HARRO? Do you have any idea how fucking busy I am? Now take your weapons of mass destwuction, and GET THE FUCK OUTTA HERE!!!

God damnit, why are people so fucking stupid? Why are there more interrigent people... rike me?"

BDR · Post by **BDR** » Tuesday Oct 10, 2006

I hate to come off Reagan-esque, but I think our best option at this point would be to escalate nuclear weapons production. I don't think pre-emptive strike is the answer — it wasn't where Iraq is concerned — and this is a much more volitile situation.

We need missles on the ready, aimed at this guy's silly head to keep him in check. As was stated, we're 60 years ahead of this guy in nuclear arms development; we have the stuff to f@#k him up now and he's got to know that. Aiming them in his general direction and saying little about it (speaking softly and carrying a big stick) will do more good than another ground war that will cost more lives.

Time to quietly flex our muscles ...

r:>)

lonewolf · Post by **lonewolf** » Tuesday Oct 10, 2006

You got 'em Rob:

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