Warning ! Political Thread . What is (was) Bush Thinking ?

[AtoMikEnRtiA]

Yo itz da G to da O to da E in da hizzle. I say we get our gats an ice dhose motha fuckas. Yeah biotch!

nigga whats crackin?

[Capt. Grammar]

Yo itz da G to da O to da E in da hizzle. I say we get our gats an ice dhose motha fuckas. Yeah biotch!

Hello, it's Gangsta (Gangster) of Ebonics in the house. I say that we get our guns and expunge those fornicators. Yes, female canine.

You're welcome.

[Banned]

You know, the saddest thing is.. If a Neo-Conservative GOP member starts making attack ads, goes public in swiftboating, sucker punching, and attacking other candidates personally (ie: Karl Rove to John McCain in 2000) they are celebrated as a true leader, and a "spiritual soul"..

if a "Liberal" or Democrat or even a moderate - speaks out on behalf of their personal beliefs, and the beliefs of the majority of this nation and this world. They are called liberal, socialist, a danger to society, a "pussy" and are subject to the same ridicule, that the aforementioned Neo-Con puts their machine to..

what my party, the Democratic party needs to do, is take a fucking risk.. none of this "half-ass John Kerry" bullshit, yes I voted Kerry.. because John F. Kerry is an intellegent, well thought man.. but he cant campaign for a fuck. What this country needs, is somebody like Barak Obama, or Howard Dean.. going city to city doing the exact same thing as these Neo-Cons do, and if the Neo-Con machine says "look at this filth and mud they're slinging" thats when said "Liberal" goes public and says "yeah, but we're not the ones going around questioning one's patriotism by association 20 years ago. We are not the ones questioning one's morality based on whether they spend their Sunday mornings talking to an invisible man.. Morality is not religious preferance.. it's responsibility, to your community, to your family, to yourself.. not to your church, not to you "God". We are not the ones who push our failures onto the previous Administration. We are merely answering their call. And we are certainly not the ones running from service and then questioning one's service in Vietnam, while we were on the sidelines hiding behind daddy, and the oil company's skirts. Our men serve.. "

John Kerry served.. the Senator from Georgia who lost an arm and leg served (his name is slipping my mind).. where was Bush, where was Cheney during Vietnam? Oh yeah.. one man got out of serving, and one got involved w/ James Baker while in Alabama.

The Flight Suit? you know.. if I were on that ship.. I dont give a fuck if I would have gotten shot, or courtmashalled, or dishonorably discharged or what. If that fucking charlatan jumped out of a plane in a military jumpsuit on my watch.. I would have let him known whats up.

it may not work.. but it's certainly better than "I've got a plan..." and then show NOTHING.

I guess you are the party that makes up stories to get purple hearts. Look up the Swift Boat Veterans. They exposed all the Kerry lies about he faked his injuries and got his 3 purple hearts in 3 months from a different comanding officer than when the fakes happened.

You are the party that calls US serviceman "Baby Killers". (J. Kerry)

and "Murderers" (John Murtha, commenting on an incident that happened in Iraq BEFORE the military report was finished or published!)

Just what is the Dem plan in Iraq besides cutting and running, which is bacially giving control of that country to the crazies in Iran.

[RobTheDrummer]

This is a war we go into, do people expect that we don't get shot back at? People die in wars, it's a fact. It's a great thing we are doing over there. We are giving people the chance to have a free democracy. You can have all the talks in the world, like we have in the past. What did that accomplish? You have to act in order to accomplish a goal, not have people talk and sit back and say, "You see, we are on our way to world peace." Doesn't work that way. The way to world peace is to rid the world of the ones causing war. Sometimes to gotta make a mess in order to clean up, this is what we are doing. As far as weapons of mass destruction, everyone thought Saddam had them, he used them before (I dunno how many times I gotta explain this) and previous admin's dropped bombs on speculation. If we can setup another free democracy in that region, it will be a great thing! Another thing people do is expect war to last a few days or months. This thing is gonna take a while and we have made some tremendous progress in training the Iraqi's to fight for themselves. One thing we need to do is be patient in this war. It is for our own good and good for the stability of the Mid-east. We are the only ones that even gave it a try at least. If you let that region keep going as it was, it would only get worse. Just as it always has been.

I choose to have a positive outlook on what we are doing over there. Too many people wanna see us fail and are very negative, maybe they just have a sense of urgency. War is a bad thing, but there are reasons for war. Just be patient.

[Bert|Evil]

If you can't comment in a mature manner , then don't comment at all please.



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If you can't think for yourself, don't bother posting this prattle!

Huh ?

The problem is too many people aren't thinking . My thoughts are my own. If you think talking about Americans being killed is PRATTLE, than I'm guessing you are one who cannot be reasoned with.

Many Americans are thinking, and they’re seeing the long-term picture. It’s the extension of the Cold War really. As the pieces of the puzzle fall into play over the years, maybe you’ll be able to see this.

Soldiers, Marines, Sailors, and Airmen dying is not prattle, but rant that you borrowed from some other lefty is. Obviously, your thoughts belong to whoever inspired your rant. They’re definitely not your own!!

[Bert|Evil]

Musicians have been political for a long time. The section I'm in is called General Discussion.

I have ask JP if a separate section could be arranged for General Talk . Quite a bit in General Discussion is not about music.

Politics is ALL about winning .

Good point. Here's two examples:

Bruce Springsteen – Writes songs about his hometown than most people don’t care about. When he has ran out of material or has fallen out of the limelight, he bitches about Republicans.

John Melloncamp (the Jewish Farm Boy) - Writes songs about his hometown than most people don’t care about. When he has ran out of material or has fallen out of the limelight, he bitches about Republicans.

Do you see an trend?

[Bert|Evil]

and "Murderers" (John Murtha, commenting on an incident that happened in Iraq BEFORE the military report was finished or published!)

A senile John Murtha is ultimate proof that there are a few things that Wesley Clark won't even do!

[skydog]

Fight nice kids LMAO.

Impeach Bush NOW

[Banned]

Fight nice kids LMAO.

Impeach Bush NOW

Yeah, it's time for Cheney to fianlly take over! ha ha

[Bert|Evil]

Fight nice kids LMAO.

Impeach Bush NOW

Yeah, it's time for Cheney to fianlly take over! ha ha

Few people realize (or many choose not to realize) that he actually made money for the Government over the entire Boeing A-12 mess. It took the years from when he was SECDEF to VP to come to fruition, of course.

[skydog]

Let me see WAR, Unemployment, lies. outsourcing

yeah he doing a real good job LMAO

I love those people Blah.blah,blah George is good,Blah blaH,BLAH We need to get rid of suddam, Give me a break

the Rove propaganda machine doesn't work on me.

so attack me,ridicule me I don't care the truth is the truth and you can't change it.

so keep pounding your war drum war hawks and bible thumpers.
And you will!
Those who forget the past are condemn to repeat it

Peace

[lonewolf]

Let me see WAR, Unemployment, lies. outsourcing

yeah he doing a real good job LMAO

The unemployment rate is at 4.7%. I thought 5% was considered full employment. All this time we were all wrong. The talking heads on CNBC were all wrong. Charles Schwab was all wrong. My brokers were all wrong.

I didn't hear anything about the government outsourcing. Sounds like a great idea to me. All those bureaucrats from both parties administrating our tax dollars and raising the deficit. Maybe if we outsource their sorry asses we could balance the budget.

Oh, did you hear? Oprah is supposed to lose 60lbs by November. OOOOPS, did I just lie?

I guess we won't know until November.

Did you hear? Did you hear there are WMDs in a cave in Syria that have "property of Iraq" painted on them? OOOOPS, did I just lie?

I guess we won't know until we look.

All this time, I though I knew the definitions of all these words, but I suppose I was wrong. I guess that just depends what your definition of IS is.

[skydog]

waters wet, sky is blue, Bush the worst president in american history

ALL FACTS

Nuff said

[tornandfrayed]

In the late 1700's a group of people got together and started to talk about controlling their own destiny. They talked about freedom and they talked about becoming a Country that was governed by the People, For the People. Although in many peoples eyes they were seen as traitors they believed in their cause and they went to war. They fought and they died for something they believed in. They did what they believed had to be done.

History calls these people "Patriots". History has a nasty way of repeating itself.

But do we really beileve? Our government does not reflect our views, it reflects the views of the upperclass elite. How many of you have the 2 million cash that it would cost to be competitive in a State Senate race? Does that mean you can't run? No that means you can't win.

Does our Goverment really reflect the views of the American people? Or is it time for a group of men to get together and begin the conversation that would condemn them to the title of "Traitor"

Is it time to take back our Country? I don't know.

Do we have anyone that would die for a cause so noble?

Do we care enough to save our country?

An American Patriot.

[Banned]

waters wet, sky is blue, Bush the worst president in american history

ALL FACTS

Nuff said

Agree because of two points, very important points.

1) Failed to protect our borders, and this is a constitutional failure and unforgivable. He should be impeached for this and this only.

2) Spends our money like a drunken Democrat. Actually spent more non defense money than the Clinton gulag gang. If he were a real conservative he would reduce government and total spending, and he did the opposite.

I say is is time for neither a Republican or a Democrat. Lets put in a Libertarian as president. I wish John Stossell would run as the Libertarian candidate.

[AtoMikEnRtiA]

how about we just split this country in two..

free thinkers, intellectuals, and the socially conscious can take the US Northeast from Maine, to Maryland - Michigan, Wisconsin, Illinois, and Minnesota..

bigots, racists, neo-cons, war mongers, and "patriots" can have the US Southeast where they can fly their confederate flags, watch nekkar (nascar) have lynching parties, and spread their lies, and hatred about freely..

the US West will be divided up between Mexico (New Mexico, Colorado, Utah, Nevada, Southern California) Canada (N. Dakota, S. Dakota, Montana, Idaho, Washington State, and Oregon) and the Louisiana Purchase gets whatever is left..

how's that sound? Because we'll never come up with a solution to stop the neo-cons petty business. We may as well drop them like a bad habit

[bfoust]

It'd be nice if I wasn't grouped into the 'racists' category, can't I live by myself in central pa? Sounds good to me.

[AtoMikEnRtiA]

It'd be nice if I wasn't grouped into the 'racists' category, can't I live by myself in central pa? Sounds good to me.

sorry, PA would be part of the Northeast..

and im not sub-categorizing anybody as racists.. but most racists are also neo-cons, bigots, war mongers and "patriots.. sorry

[AtoMikEnRtiA]

just so you all know, this is an example of what the idea i have is..

[lonewolf]

just so you all know, this is an example of what the idea i have is..

You don't want much of America, do ya?

Since PA and the upper midwest sucks for work and the west coast, NY and NE is too expensive to live, wouldn't everybody be better off if you just moved to Canada?

[AtoMikEnRtiA]

just so you all know, this is an example of what the idea i have is..

You don't want much of America, do ya?

Since PA and the upper midwest sucks for work and the west coast, NY and NE is too expensive to live, wouldn't everybody be better off if you just moved to Canada?

I never said any of those places are too expensive for ME to live in, Im not gonna brag, but im not gonna lie here.. I make quite the living, as for not wanting much of america.. if you would read the aforementioned "split this country in half" post.. i clearly stated.. I want the intellegent half.. now since Pennsylvania has voted Democratic in the past 3 elections atleast, and the majority of the voting body are Blue Staters.. PA is a blue state.. so no, it wouldnt be easier for everybody if I moved to Canada.. it would be easier for everybody, if you moved to "Jesusland" lol

(Just so everybody knows, this is not a serious proposition..)

[jangel]

But do we really beileve? Our government does not reflect our views, it reflects the views of the upperclass elite. How many of you have the 2 million cash that it would cost to be competitive in a State Senate race? Does that mean you can't run? No that means you can't win.

A little point of history here....none of the forefathers who were considered patriots were po' boys hacking out a living. Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin etc George washington....were the business men and rich guys then......it's not any different now. Not one of the fore fathers of this country were poor.

[skydog]

Many smart people repeat the famous quote "People who forget their mistakes are doomed to repeat them.", and that is definitely the case with our democracy. Our founding fathers warned us about people who might try to rob our government and enslave us. They wrote our foundation laws, the U.S. Constitution, to prevent our democracy from being robbed, and to protect the people from being oppressed. Our forefathers understood the dangers to our democracy from wealthy Americans and they stood up to the Robber Barons, and thus keep them from robbing America and enslaving it's people. But obviously most of the American people don't know their own country's history and as a result we are now on the verge of losing the two hundred year inheritance that our forefathers left us.

[lonewolf]

I never said any of those places are too expensive for ME to live in, Im not gonna brag, but im not gonna lie here.. I make quite the living

How can you possibly be doing well? After all, the worst president in history is in office. How can you possibly do well as long as these warmongering, big-oil Bible thumpers are in office? How can you possibly do well when there is so much outsourcing going on? With 2 engineering degrees (with honors), 157 college credits and two patents, I just can't understand how anybody could possibly do well unless somebody like John Kerry or Algore was in office. After all, the free thinkers, intellectuals, and the socially conscious told me so. They weren't lying to me, were they?

[bassist_25]

I've pretty much stayed out of this thread, but there have been some good points, so I'd thought I'd post.

First, as someone in his early to mid twenties, I've grown rather disillusioned with the current government. I was brought up with the notion that if I voted I could make a difference. Truthfully, I didn't even bother voting in this past election. It's no mystery that I dislike Bush, but I honestly didn't believe that Kerry would have been any better. To me, Kerry was just a rich liberal from the Northeast who would have said anything to his base just to get re-elected. The only candidate whose platform I could believe in, Ralph Nader, was screwed out of the Pennsylvania ballot. A lot of dems act like bawlbabies when it comes to Nader, but maybe the problem isn't with Nader running. Maybe the problem is that the only thing the dems have to offer is republican-lite or reactionary left nutcases. I say, "No thanks," to both of those choices.

I've watched the cognitive dissonance that has occured over Iraq (i.e. "This war was about WMDs....no wait, since they haven't found any, then it's about liberation"). The problem is that I thought the war was a sham since day one. It'd be easy for me to say, "I told you so," but frankly, I've never been one to gloat. The sad truth is Iraq is now our baby, and we're going to have to try and make it work. Will it work? I'm rather pessimistic about it, but as one political comedian said, "We got the chick pregnant. Now we have to take care of the baby." As much as I hate to be over there, I know that we can't pull out.

America is a great nation, but I think that we're at a crossroads. We can let our ego destroy us, or we can accept the circumstances and move forward. America is no longer the top manufacturing nation in the world. We need to accept that. The days of getting a middleclass job straight out of high school are gone. The days of getting a middleclass job with an undergraduate degree are fading away. If you're in college, it's time to start studying for the GRE or GMAT because many fields require a graduate-level degree to compete. You don't have to go to a traditional college. Learn how to weld. Learn how to work on vehicles. Become a good salesman - Because capitalism is built on supply/demand. Guess what, unskilled labor positions have supply which outnumbers demand. So instead of boo-hooing about a Mexican taking your job, why don't you have a skill that the average person coming from Mexico doesn't have? Then again, if you let your ego get in the way and think that you deserve an $80,000 home with two brand new vehicles in the suburb just because you deserve it for being born in America, I feel sorry for you.